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Where Might Be The Bodies (like Barbara Olsen)?, Claims (or theories) about victims' bodies?

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post Jun 18 2008, 12:02 PM
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I have seen reports that the pentagon site (and the pennsylvania site) showed little evidence of
a plane having crashed (e.g. no engine remains).

But I assume there is (was) a passenger manifest in each instance.

I am new to these issues and have this question:

Are there claims about where the bodies of the passengers really are? Were no bones, bodies alleged to be recovered from the pentagon, to be returned to the families? Were there funerals? Without investigators locating the remains, would the family members "let it be" without raising
hell nonstop? (I don't hear about this issue)

I have no trouble assuming their was foul play behind these events, but I find
it hard to imagine that the white house could get operatives to kill these
passengers in a cold blood way method (such as "disappearing them" into the
ocean).

Are there theories about where the bodies might be, and "where" the "switch" might
have been made made? (Especially with regard to the pentagon).

Or, has this side of the question received relatively less focus?
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post Jun 18 2008, 12:10 PM
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Yes, there are many theories.

My pet theory begins with surveying the skills of the passengers and drawing a conclusion based on what these specialities may be used for in a clandistine civilization. wink.gif

Of course I can not prove that.
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post Jun 18 2008, 12:27 PM
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We don't even know if there were passengers, let alone what happened to them. AA77 did not take off that morning, so it is likely there were no passengers involved in the crash, if there was a crash.

The government claims that the passenger remains were found in the vicinity of the C-ring hole, but they have never offered any proof.

Vick has been doing some research regarding the passengers. Maybe he'll add something to this thread.
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post Jun 18 2008, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE (JFK @ Jun 16 2008, 02:10 PM) *
Yes, there are many theories.

My pet theory begins with surveying the skills of the passengers and drawing a conclusion based on what these specialities may be used for in a clandistine civilization. wink.gif

Of course I can not prove that.


I would like it if you could elaborate. Have wondered about this myself.
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post Jun 18 2008, 12:33 PM
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reader, do you know about our Library? It has sections regarding all the different aspects of the research into 9/11 and related matters. Here's the link to the section about passengers:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=246
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post Jun 18 2008, 01:41 PM
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Welcome to the forum Reader.... I gave you a link via email when you emailed me with the same question. Please click on it this time...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=7591
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post Jun 18 2008, 06:40 PM
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When a noob or skeptic asks "well, then, where are the planes, or the passengers?" --

i use it as an opportunity to ask them "what evidence that would stand in a court of law has been produced as to whether the alleged flights took off, as reported, and, secondly, who boarded them?"

It is wonderful for all of us to critically examine our fundamental assumptions about 9/11. if the assumptions are false, or sketchy, we build on those poor assumptions as on a foundation of sand.

to wit: the official story relies heavily (entirely) on an explanation of 4 hijacked planes. But what document establishes conclusively that the alleged hijackers had boarded these planes?

if 9/11 were seriously prosecuted, i wouldnt want to be the prosecutor!! your star suspect, Mohammed Atta et al, and you can't even establish that they they were on board planes, or that planes took off, much less that they commandeered them by hijacking!

Defense counsel would have a field day...
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QUOTE (JackD @ Jun 18 2008, 03:40 PM) *
Defense counsel would have a field day...


Exactly. Prosecution hasn't even positively identified the murder weapons (allegedly Boeings).
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post Jun 22 2008, 03:14 PM
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Welcome Reader, and a great thread! thumbsup.gif

These are questions that would have been considered if the only government commission had not been utterly corrupted as anything related to justice.

Somebody said Clandestine Civilization, and that's probably pretty damn accurate somehow.

And if there is any government agency that could build a Clandestine Civilization, it would be those folks at the Witness Protection Program.
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post Jun 22 2008, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (JFK @ Jun 22 2008, 11:10 AM) *
Yes, there are many theories.

My pet theory begins with surveying the skills of the passengers and drawing a conclusion based on what these specialities may be used for in a clandistine civilization. wink.gif

Of course I can not prove that.



wink.gif What a great way to get rid of some people who, once 9-11 happened, might think, "Hey, wait a minute ... THAT's what I've been working on these last months!??"

Of course there's no way to prove such a thing, nor do we really know that any of the people on the passenger list really got on a plane, but there ARE some amazing coincidences, people listed as passengers who worked in the defense industries. Dr. Thomas Olmsted did some research on this, his articles have all gone 404 but you can use the wayback machine to find them. I transcribed this from one of his articles in the Library, I'll re-post it.

These are all people who were listed as having been passengers on AA77 -

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Dong Lee, Ruben Ornedo, and Chad Keller all worked for Boeing. Lee also worked for the NSA. Stanley Hall, “the dean of electronic warfare,” (along with Peter Gay, David Kolvacin, and Kenneth Waldie on other flights), worked for Raytheon.

William Caswell was a particle physicist who worked for the Navy. His job was so classified that his family had no clue as to what he did and did not know why he was flying to California.

Charles Droz, LCDR USN Ret, was a software developer for EM solutions (manufacturer of Wide Area Networks).

Robert Penniger worked for BAE Systems, (“an industry leader in flight control systems”), whose Board is comprised of many from the intelligence community. BAE has apparently removed their Board of Directors page, but it list a "who's who" of high level connections to the CIA, DARPA, and NSA.

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Robert Ploger and his wife were added “late” to the original CNN passenger list. He is the son of Major General Robert R Ploger USA, Ret, another “flag” link. The other “late” addition was Sandra Teague, a physical therapist at Georgetown University Hospital.

John Sammartino and Leonard Taylor worked at Xontech (missile defense), another company connected to the intelligence community, also with ties to Boeing.

Vicki Yancey worked for Vreedenberg Corp, yet another company connected to the intelligence community. Her father describes her death as a “planned murder.” Her widower works for Northrup-Grumman.

Mary Jane Booth was in a position to know what was going on at Dulles Airport as secretary for American Airlines general manager.

John Yamnicky, 71, Capt USN Ret, was a defense contractor for Veridian who had done a number of “black ops,” according to his son.


Originally (404) from
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm
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post Jun 22 2008, 09:01 PM
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To a Clandestine Civilization, such people must be assets.
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post Aug 19 2008, 02:21 AM
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More info on passengers, manifests (for AA77 and the other flights) can be found at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=246

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....t&p=7476527

Richochet's excellent Northwoods post #33
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10745718
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"AA11"
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=5909

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=4592

Gate 26/32 question at BOS
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=37
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"AA77" Pentagon

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=7591

Autopsy- no Arabs on AA77
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=261
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"UA93" / Pennsylvania general area

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=2303

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=10142

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=790

Shanksville and Northwoods
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=5673

Coroner Wally Miller
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14096

Fransan's UA93 discussion
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13688
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"UA93" Emergency Landing in Cleveland?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=1147

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....t&p=5039872
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post Aug 19 2008, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 17 2008, 04:21 AM) *
More info on passengers, manifests (for AA77 and the other flights) can be found at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=246

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....t&p=7476527

Richochet's excellent Northwoods post #33
http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/imag1.jpg

Sorry d but I cannot see a #33 Northwoods post via any of the above. unsure.gif

This is one hell of an interesting topic though.

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Thanks O892,

Damned paste function! (I chased down a LOT of links last night). Ricochet's post #33 should now be fixed above, and I also added the "no Arabs" autopsy thread above too- interesting reading there.
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I think the main reason the "believers" of the official story always mentions the passengers, is that they don't want to believe that the government would murder the passengers in cold blod in some remote hangar for example. And they don't expect that you would believe that as well.

The idea of a kind of "witness protection program" for the passengers is very comforting, knowing that they are living somewhere, happy and smiling, waiting for their loved ones.

BUT, let's not kid ourselves, if the planes didn't hit with the passengers in them and the passengers are missing, they were most likely killed. Just like a couple of thousands were killed in the WTC towers! - If you can murder the people in the towers, you can certainly murder the passengers as well. Sadly.

If not a nice thing to think of, but, imo, it's the most likely scenario. "They" cannot risk, in any way, that a "dead passenger" one day appears on national TV. Then it would be all over for "them".

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QUOTE (Ayla @ Oct 5 2008, 04:15 AM) *
If not a nice thing to think of, but, imo, it's the most likely scenario. "They" cannot risk, in any way, that a "dead passenger" one day appears on national TV. Then it would be all over for "them".

Hi Ayla,

The U.S. Government has been in the "business" of genocide for DECADES! On those "national TV" bits, let's not forget this guy:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=12078

On the "not a nice thing to think about":

Post #22:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10751663
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Ayla

A good post, and I agree completely. Certainly the perps in this case would have no trouble executing any number of people.

My guess, however, is that those names with a connection to the Military Industrial Complex were and are considered assets. My guess is they still live, under new identities.

Those not in that category most likely killed.
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QUOTE (reader)
Where Might Be The Bodies (like Barbara Olsen)?

The government claims that Barbara Olson was located here:





The primary suspects controlled the crime scene and the DNA. There was lots of DNA from the targeted Pentagon personnel all over the crime scene. A lot of the alleged 'passenger' DNA was found way up past the Exit Hole. Initially the report was that the aircraft nose cone created the Exit Hole which is comical. Then the embarrassed perps changed it to a landing gear. Since the alleged 'passenger' DNA was inside the fuselage and the landing gear is outside the fuselage and under the wings or under the nose cone, then how did that DNA reach the A&E Drive in that supposedly hot jet fuel burning hell? The latest propaganda is that an explosive fireball created the Exit Hole which demands even more; "But how did fragile DNA get way out there and survive the heat?"

Answer: It didn't. No aircraft crashed into the Pentagon.
It was all a military psyops mission and a lot of people were had.
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as i have recommended for years, you need to visit las brisas, acapulco.

there you will find tim mcveigh, chandra levy, ubl, barbara. sitting around the pool[s] attached to their casitas. i can see them now. a pitcher of frozen margaritas. a platter of camorones.

just kidding[?] of course.

anyway, perhaps you will remember a brit production entitled THE PRISONER. a special camp in snowdonia.

though it is possible that all the passengers were exterminated, there is the distinct possibility that they survive in a special camp. the existence of such a facility should not be beyond your imagining.

why do i suggest this? don't you think it odd how virtually no survivors of the passengers have demanded an investigation[save for the widow mariani]?

there is still something about the official story that stinks.
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Well I think the camp thing is a bit extreme. After all, the "prisoners" want to maintain their anonymity. They prefer to stay hidden, and it's much easier for them to mix in with new identities and homes/apartments, living quite well off the several million dollars they were paid.
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