The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

(IMG:http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/922/picture2xn7.png)

(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

(IMG:http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2203/picture1gw1.png)

(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

I love this quote ...

"The simplest things are always those the scholars see least. They go searching into the beyond, with infinite pains, neglecting the truth right under their noses" - Fabre d'Olivet (La Langue hebraique restitutee)

The same site gives us this, the word for "serpent" in various ancient cultures.

Mayan - Nachan
Hebrew - Nachash (Nashon)
Irish - Nathair (Nathrach, Nadder, Naase)
German - Natter
Anglo-Saxon - Addar
Cornish - Nader
Norse - Naor
Gothic - Nadr
Sanskrit - Nagas (Nadi)
Latin - Natrix
Native Indian - Nakopowa ("snake priest")
Sumerian - Nage (Annanage, Annunaki)

http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/...antis%20ireland

Michael Tsarion believes that all of these civilizations originated with the ancient Irish - admittedly a controversial idea. I take my hat off to this guy, I've picked up a lot of information thanks to his diligent research ... but I'm not sure if I buy his overriding premise regarding Irish origins. I remain open to the idea, but nothing of his that I've read (so far) is particularly in conflict with the hypothesis that ALL of these centers of development evolved together ... which would have to be based on the assumtion that they all travelled and traded with each other, far more and far longer than we're led to believe. How the heck does the accepted wisdom explain step-pyramids, human sacrifice and serpent worship in Mexico??? - They don't, they ignore the paradox ... to imagine that the ancient world was connected, trading, sharing an astrologically based pagan belief system (that is incredibly similar nomatter where you look) is invariably overlooked. I'm no scholar, I'm just an idiot typing on the web ... yet the connections are OBVIOUS to me. How is it possible that these various civilizations are still considered (officially) to have evolved from dust and independent of one another?

No one really knows where Hyperborea, a mythical land described in Greek legends as simply "the land above the north", really was (or if it really existed). But many people believe it may have been Scythia. There are a few that think it could have been farther north, even Scandinavia or the British Isles (which fits well with Tsarion's theories). But there is some circumstantial evidence that places Hyperborea sort of in between, via the symbol of the Boar ... which I'd like to post. It requires first introducing the de Vere family.

That the de Vere clan is the stuff of royalty is not disputed, the Merovingian and de Vere lines meet at the latest when Prince Milo de Vere married the sister of Charlemaine King of France. Interestingly, Edward de Vere 17th Earl of Oxford is thought by many to be the true author of Shakespear's works (Francis Bacon or a circle of Rosecrusians he was a part of are another candidate). Anyway, Nicholas de Vere has written a book (which I haven't read) titled 'The Dragon Legacy: The Secret History of an Ancient Bloodline'.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopol...agoncourt_a.htm
http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonde...veredragon.html

Additionally, the family claims to decend from the Danaan of Britain, and going back much further, originally from the Mittani, who were a powerful people seated in what is now southern Turkey/northern Iraq (Khurdistan) around 1500 BCE.

Atop the family crest of the de Vere family is a blue boar.

(IMG:http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6917/vereii3.png)

There is a legend of Corinth http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HusKalydonios.html (SW of Athens) where Meleager slayed a boar. Not coincidentally, a boar is found also on an ancient Corinthian coin.

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From this information, John (the author of the this http://www.tribwatch.com/ladon.htm site) narrows down the Veres (and other bloodlines) to either the people of Corinth or the royal Calylonians, via Meleager (who was a "royal Calydonian") and/or, Atalanta, who shot the Boar first and left it for Meleager to kill in Greek legend. Furthermore, "Apollo was venerated among the Hyperboreans: he spent his winter amongst them". The Hyperboreans are equated with the Boar via the legends of Artemis, who sent the boar which Atalanta shot and Meleager killed.

The Pollack family crest (the connection to Poland is obvious), also features a boar. (Brown boar atop the knight's helmet. The boar on the Pollack crest has an arrow in its shoulder, which may represent a specific connection to Atalantis who shot the boar without killing it...)

(IMG:http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/870/pollacksi8.png)

"Pollack" relates to Po-Lug, or "Head of Lug". Lug gives rise to Lugia, which is southern Prussia, smack dab between ancient Scythia and Scandinavia. The "boar" is a Calydonian boar (Calydonia was in Greece while Caledonia is modern Scotland). There is also a "Lugi" peoples who resided in southern Scotland (!) - Wikipedia states that these people are unrelated to the Lugii of southern Prussia (yeah, right).

John, the author of the aforementioned dragon-bloodline website, analyzes the de Vere roots like this: Veres claim to descend from the Mittani who founded Methone (Greece), and from there joined the Gaul migration. (BTW the de Veres family is tightly linked to the Templars).

Nicholas de Vere claims that the Veres come from the Danaan of Britain, but there's a lot missing between the Mittani of Syria and the Danaan of Britain. John (and I) believe the Greek theatre lie in between, and he furthermore suggests that the Veres took the land route from there (through Lugia?), further explaining the de Vere adoption of the (Scythian?) Boar symbol on their coat of arms. My guess is that the use of the boar by both the de Vere clan and the Pollack family (who were likely descended from the Lugii), indicates that the de Veres passed through Lugia.

Who else might have the Boar included in their family Coat of Arms?

Edward III, William Wallace of Scotland's nemesis, adopted the Boar (blue as is the de Vere boar) as a symbol of his lineage. Less well known is the boar on the crest of the current US president's family ... with 3 boars (Jeeeze):

(IMG:http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4973/bushei7.png)

So THAT'S why we have an idiot for a president!?!?