The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

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(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

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(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

Here's an unexpected place to find the Seal of Solomon or 6 pointed star...

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This folks, is the flag of Northern Ireland. What the!?? What's the six-pointed star doing there?? - actually, there is a very good reason for it being there, which has almost nothing to do with Judaeism..

It is accepted thought that civilzation as we know it sprang from Sumer, in lower Mesopotamia, 5 or 6 thousand years ago, give or take. I even posted an article above that claims to show that the original (ancient 48) constellations must have been settled on from a latitude consistent with Sumer at around that time, and I don't doubt it. But after looking long and hard at this, I'm of the mind that civilization, as it has come to evolve into what we are stuck with these days, grew and percolated and developed in a number of locations simultaneously, and that the exchange of goods and ideas between all of these cultures was far more extensive, and went on far longer, than one would think. The areas I'm talking about are Sumer, Egypt, the Indus Valley, Britain (specifically Ireland), Scythia (a wide swath of land around and above the Black and Caspian Seas), and the entire area north Mesopotamia in and around southern Turkey and the Levant, including the lands of the Amorites, Akkadians, Hittites, Hurrians and most importantly the Phoenicians.

It's tempting to imagine that an advanced civilization just sprang up suddenly in Sumer (after the flood?) and fanned out from there, in fact it's sort of the accepted wisdom ... and this view has led some to embrace a lot of what I consider nonsense, that gods, or even aliens from another planet (called Nibiru), came down from the heavens and mated with Sumerian women, giving rise to super-humans and "poof", we had pyramids and roads and irrigation and weapons. But I just wanna go on record that I don't buy any of that for a second, I don't think "fallen angels" were the patriarchs of the Sumerians, even if the Sumerians thought so. And I don't buy into David Icke's "Lizard-people" nonsense either, even if this thread is titled the "Dragon Blood-line". (Although I concede that Dick Cheney may well have some reptillian DNA in him (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ).

What really happened looks to be far more interesting IMO, though really hard to figure out. I don't really have a handle on it (and I may never) - but to me it's too pertinent to what's going on in the world today to not at least attempt to post whatever I can dig up.

I first got curious about the Indus Valley after I started stumbling on all this "dragon stuff" that pointed to Sumer, and I recalled that the dragon was always used in reference to the Chinese throne. I though, nawwwh, there can't be a connection, can there? But then I though that in China and here in Japan as well the 12 signs of the Zodiac are the same as in the west ... but I again thought, nawwh, they just got that from us. But then I remembered the 12 year cycles that the Japanese and Chinese follow (not recognized in the west), each year designated by a boar or a chicken or a monkey (or a dragon), etc. Then I found out that there are Ziggurats, or step pyramids, in China, lots of them. (There are hundreds all over modern Iraq and Iran, not to mention the ones in Mexico and Central America - and of course the great pyramids in Egypt.)

Ziggurats (Pyramids) in China
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Ziggurat at Ur (Sumer)
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It turns out that the Chinese drew much of their culture from the Indus Valley, who traded with the Sumerians for centuries (if not millenium) before what we consider the peak of Sumerian culture.

This page talks about ancient import-export "seals", ones from the Indus Valley found in Sumer and vice versa. What's interesting about these seals, is they were imprinted in clay using metal cylinders onto which the desired image and text was etched in reverse ... i.e., printing. (!) Guttenberg, what took you so long??

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http://www.indoeurohome.com/Meluhha-Dilmun.html

Note that the Indus settlements aren't all that far from Sumer. Dilmun, which some believe refered to modern Bahrain, was mentioned in texts as the location of the Sumerian creation myth, where Enki provided water creating a paradise (which only the gods inhabited). According to this (below) and other sources, this Dilmun, or Tilmun, was also an important trading partner between Sumer and the Indus Valley, providing among other things, copper from Omar which was needed to make bronze. (I've also read though that the Sumerians obtained copper from Turkey to the north).

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/1980....connection.htm

One other thing I find interesting btw, is the extraordinary development going on in Dubai these days. Halliburton has even moved it's headquarters there I think. Well, Dubai is right down the coast from Dilmun, home of the ancient Sumerian gods as it were (if, the real location for Dilmun was actually modern Bahrain).

The Sumerians also traded with Egypt, with the Phoenicians (or Canaanites), who inhabited the area in between, often playing middle man ... and all three cultures clearly influenced one another. I even read somewhere that there was a Sumerian ghetto nestled somewhere in one of the Nile settlements, but I don't remember where. Anyway,
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumeregypt.html
http://history-world.org/egypt_and_mesopotamia_compared.htm

Farming had been developed along the Nile by about 5000 B.C., but some
time before 3200 B.C. economic development accelerated, in part because of
growing trade with other regions including Mesopotamia.

The Sumerian god An had two sons Enki and Enlil who ruled over the air and water, in Canaan the couterpart of An was Dagon, who's son Baal was preiminent, in Egypt Osiris and Isis begot Horus ... the stories and names of dieties vary, but there are clear parallels between familial dieties who take on certain duties in the various cultures, and sometimes there are stiking similarities, for example, Ninhursag, the Sumerian mother-goddess, was Ninurta in Canaan. There are many many more parallels, but I gotta tell ya I get all confused with all these deities, maybe I'll organize something and post it later. One thing I did find quite interesting though, is that there were 12 supreme Gods in the Sumerian pantheon ... and the same number in Greece much later, 6 male and 6 female. Which is no surprise really, although Greek culture didn't derive directly from Sumer, it derived more from Phoenicia and Minoa, who both got it from Sumer - or more correctly, they all developed in tandem over a long period as they were trading with one another ... and with Egypt, and with the Indus Valley, and even the Druids (I am discovering), and Greece got it later, second hand as it were. That's really my point.

Also, the dragon, a mythological beast of course, is conspicuous in ALL of these cultures. I should emphasize that the dragon is historically not a manevolent entity at all - it represents knowlege, life, sometimes other meanings are attached, and most often, royalty. This

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with two serpents coiled around a rod has been associated with medicine for almost as long as the dragon has been associated with healing and life-giving powers.

Another interesting tidbit which harkens back to the dragon is that the Egyptian pharaohs were anointed with the fat of a holy crocodile, or "meseh". Apparently, we get our word "messiah", or anointed one, from this word. Sir Laurence Gardner, a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland who has published a few books on grail-lore and other topics sort of related to this thread (I'm sure I'll be quoting him), claims that the ancient Sumerian kings were also anointed with the fat of a crocodile, though I can't find any confirmation of this. I can't help but recall though that the kings of medieval france were anointed with the "oil of Clovis", Clovis being one of the first Merovingian kings (who's grand-father was a sea-serpent if I remember correctly), the oil being supplied from heaven (I'll get into the Merovingians later).

I ended my last post with a teaser relating to Scotland, and the Tribe of Dan, and started this post with the flag of North Ireland. I don't mean to be coy, but it's a difficult topic. I thought I needed to cover some ground with regard to Sumer and the other civilizations that were percolating at the time (some thousands of years ago), and their pagan similarities. The fact is, there was an invasion of sorts (non-violent) into Ireland by a peoples known as the Tuatha De Danaan about 2000 BC . Tuatha means tribe in this case. De means gods. Danaan means?? Who knows. Lots of people say that this Tuatha De Danaan are the Tribe of Dan ... I don't think the two are the same, but I'm open to the idea that they are connected. The Tribe of Dan is also often accused of being the Danaus who made their presence felt in Greece ... I'm of the opinion that the Danaus too are a separate entity from the Tribe of Dan, but connected ...

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The Tribe of Dan

The British-Israeli movement is cited for adding support early in the 20th century to the idea of creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine, land which England had just wrested from the Ottoman Empire (Turks) at the end of WWI - and wrested again from the Arabs they had promised independence to in return for fighting on their behalf. What the British-Israelists believe, is that Bretons (or at least British nobility) are descended (to some degree) from the Israelites. One of the notions that they promote is that the tribe of Dan migrated to the British Isles, leaving their name all over the place along the way. The full import of this assertion can only be fully appreciated if you allow for the absence of vowels in ancient Hebrew. Dan, Din, Don, Dun, all the same - and if you look at maps and start thinking about it, D-n is everywhere. The Don, the Dneiper, Dnestr, Donetz, Danube (all rivers eminating from the Black Sea), ScanDiNavia, MaceDoNia, the Dinaric Alps, and Denmark to name a few. There were a "tower building" people called the Shardana, who dominated SarDiNia and Corsica for centuries - the term "sar" or "shar" in Hebrew apparently means "chief," "prince," "ruler," from which such words as "Tsar," "Caesar," "Kaiser," etc., derive. The "Shar-Dana," then translates into chiefs or princes of Dan. The name seems to be everywhere in Ireland and Scotland too - Dunvegan, Dunkeld, AberDeeN, EDiNburg, LonDoNderry, Dunglow, Donegal, Dingle, Dungarvan, in fact the penninsula jutting off the west of England used to be called Danmoni - or the "mines of Dan" ... tin mines in this case.

Are these "marks of Dan" all over Europe really significant, or more the fanciful thinking of some British nobles? There are two separate issues here, were the Tuatha De Danaan and the tribe of Dan the same? And can the same be said for the Danaus of Greece ? (And more interestingly, is there some underlying factor that unites all three that we have missed?)

A lot of people think the British-Israeli propoganda is bunk, and as the whole idea is agenda driven and I too am skeptical. But with regard to the Danaus of Greece, there are some interesting clues lying around...

Homer called the Greeks "Danois".

Petavius says that Danaus was the son of Bela - who was a sojourner in Egypt - and fled with his tribe to Greece - settling near Argos, a century before the Exodus.

Danau/Danaus' "patriarch" is cited alternately as Belus, Belos, or Bela. Who is Belus?

"Belus (Greek?) the Egyptian is in Greek Mythology a son of Poseidon by Libya. He was a King of Egypt and father of Aegyptus and Danaus."

Another thing I stumbled on to (can't find it) said that Belus was an Egyptian King (does this mean he was a Pharaoh? If so, I have to figure out which one...), who sired two sons Aegyptus and Danaus ... his son Danaus ruled LIBYA. Is this why in Greek mythology Belus' mother is described as Libya?

One more:
The ancient Greek records of Hecateus of Abdera, a Greek historian and philosopher of the 4th century B.C., say: “The most distinguished of the expelled foreigners followed Danaus and Cadmus from Egypt; but the greater number were led by Moses into Judæa.”

There's a (torturously long but interesting) documentary floating around titled Ring of Power (which talks about the Tribe of Dan btw), that makes a case, and a pretty good one IMO, that the Hebrews and the Hapiru of Egypt were one and the same, and that the Hyksos kings (in and around the 15th dynasty) were of this stock. This may or not be true, I have no idea, but the Hyksos were thrown out of Egypt (around 1500 BC give or take?) ... right around the time of Moses. Also consider that Canaan was under Egyptian control around the time of the Exodus and that the names of Egyptian Pharaohs are almost entirely (and strangely) left out of the Bible.

Speaking of the Bible, let's look at the Biblical Dan for a second. Dan and Nephtali were full brothers, sons of Jacob by a handmaiden named Bilhah. Remembering that Hebrew is written (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) without vowels, could Bilhah somehow represent Bela/Belus??? Bela was supposedly Danaus' father in Greek mythology, whereas Bilhah was Dan's mother in the bible. Yet, if one allows for a certain amount of allegory in these stories, it's not so crazy to see a possible connection here.

Note this as well, Dan and Nephtali were represented as full brothers and were closely associated. Dan (in the Bible), despite being the 2nd most populous tribe, recieved a paltry portion of land. They decided to invade Laish (a city near Sidon just north of the Israelite lands), killed all the inhabitants and changed the city's name to Dan. This territory was adjacent to the Nephtali tribe. Other writings say that, much later in history, descendents of the tribes of Dan and Naphtali migrated together first to Scythia (which became Khazaria), then later to Scandinavia, Dan settling in Denmark and Naphtali settling in what is now Norway. It's also suggested that the Sc- in "Scandinavia" derives from Scythia. That the Vikings came from Scythia is widely believed and there's alot of evidence for it. (I've also read in many sources that the "Sc" in Scotland also derives from Scythia, however the story of "Scota", which I'll get into, seems more relevant to me). Point is, the tribes of Dan and Nephtali were apparently closely allied, and maybe were regarded as apart from the other tribes, particularly Dan. In a passage from the Old Testament, the "Song of Deborah", the Tribe of Dan is repremanded for "Remaining in Ships" while the other Israelites fought the Canaanites. I read an interesting analysis of this, where the Canaanites of Sidon and Tyre stood by and allowed the tribe of Dan to sack and take over nearby Laish in a sort of neutrality pact, and later to honor this pact the tribe of Dan remained neutral when the other tribes were battling it out with the Canaanites. (Canaanites and Phoenicians are synonomous - Phoenician being the Greek term for the Canaanites btw.) The salient point though, is that the Tribe of Dan didn't care for the land they were given in the south - they prefered to be up north next to their bretheren the Nephtali.

So, if I'm to try and make this connection between the Israelite Dan and the Egyptian Danaus of Greek legend, then is there a parallel correlation between Nephtali and someone else in the Bela/Belus family of legend?

No. But the name sure sounds alot like "Nephilim". Nephilim were fallen angels, sired by the god Elohim paired with human females (we're talking ancient Sumerian pagan legends here).

I looked up the origins of Naphtali, and here's what I got -

"The name Naphtali is commonly understood to come from patal meaning to twist. Derivatives are cord, thread; (petaltol 1857b), tortuous (Deut 32:5); (naptulim 1857c), wrestlings (Gen 30:8).
Some other occurrences of the verb-plus-nun are: Job 5:13 ...the advice of he cunning (; NAS); and Pr 8:8 ...crooked or perverted (; NAS)."

Hmmmm.

Then there's this:

"Diodorus Siculus (1.27.28) claims that Belus founded a colony on the river Euphrates and appointed the priests whom the Bablyonians call Chaldeans." (!)

And this:
"Modern writers speculate on a possible connection between Belus and one or another god who bore the common northwest Semitic title Ba‘al."

Ba'al ???

And, the name of one of the "fallen angels" (fathers of the Nephilim) was ... Daniel (Book of Enoch). (!)

One other piece of this puzzle needs to be brought up. The city of Dan was near Tyre, and when Solomon decided to build his temple (oooh, we're getting close to the connection with Freemasonry) he appealed to the King of Tyre, who sent him Hiram. Hiram's mother was from the tribe of Dan, and Hiram's workforce were said to be Phoenicians. Read: Canaanites, the ones around Sidon and Tyre just north of Israel proper - the ones who apparently made a pact with their Dan neighbors ... In fact, the Danaus of Egypt/Greece are also often connected to (or said to BE) Phoenicians! I won't go into the story of Hiram right now, 'cause I'm wearing myself out and you as well I'm sure, other than to say the legend of Hiram, Solomon's master builder, in many respects mirrors that of the Egyptian god Osiris, and that this story and the meaning behind it is part and parcel of the initiation rite of the 3rd degree in Freemasonry.

OK, I'll quit beating around the bush and spit out what it is that I see. Remember, we are talking about two allied tribes that were, at least in the case of Dan, the "black sheep" of the Israelites. Both were descended from sons of Jacob by a handmaiden (i.e. illegitimate) . Try to view these stories as allegorical or coded - indeed the whole study of Kabbalah revolves around coded truths. And let go of the idea that the tribe of Dan was Jewish just because they were one of the Israelite tribes ... Judah was in the far south and the tribes of Dan and Nephtali lived in the far north. The whole story of the Israelites strikes me as a story of a large group of people, related but separated into tribes, struggling with the concept of renouncing pagan gods and idols and accepting monotheism. Solomon's pagan ways illustrates the point I think, and in Revelation Dan is excluded from the list of tribes which are "sealed", specifically they were unworthy because of their "pagan traditions".

In other words, not too put too fine a point on it, the tribe of Dan were solidly pagan - and maybe their descendants sailed or marched out of Egypt and Canaan into Greece, Macedonia, Carthage, Sardinia, and eventually Scandinavia, Denmark (and the British aisles?), overwhelming the indigenous peoples along the way with superior ships, trading and warring finess and knowlege of metalurgy, carrying their pagan beliefs with them wherever they went. Maybe. I'm not convinced, but the ostracising of Dan from the other Israelites, their affinity with Nephtali and the closeness of that word to Nephilim, the fact that one of the fallen angels was named Daniel, their connections to the Phoenicians, the serpent on their flag, all make me wonder if this is not a pagan element more connected to Sumer and a much older pagan tradition than to the Israelites.

This, about an ancient historian, Manetho, who claimed the Hyksos settled in Canaan (further confirmation of the theory put forth in the documentary "Ring of Power", which I mentioned earlier, that the Hapiru and Hyksos kings of Egypt and the Israelites were one and the same), and another historian by the name of Berosus, a priest of Belus, is also very interesting ... remember, Belus was the father of Danaus in Greek legend:

"Manetho, a priest and scribe of Heliopolis, and the Chaldean Berosus, a priest of Belus, both of whom flourished under Ptolemy Philadelphus (285-247), composed accounts in Greek of the history of their respective nations. In the writings of the vanquished to the conquerors, both writers sought to demonstrate that the vanquished peoples were descendents of very ancient and noble civilisations. Berossus, in the Chaldaika to Antiothos I, claimed to base his history on Babylonian astronomical archives 473,000 years old. ... Professor Waddell, in his translation of the works of Manetho [6], said that the works of Berossus and Manetho should be seen principally as expressions of rivalry between Ptolemy and Antiochus, each seeking to proclaim their civilisation the most ancient. "

So Berosus, priest of Belus ("father of Danaus"), was defending his people, a CHALDEAN people, the people to whom Danaus belonged. This is problematic, for the area was not known as Chaldea until the 6th century BC, far too late to be connected with Dan, a (bilblical) son of Jacob. The paradox though is easily resolved, these are references to a "people", refered to as Chaldeans, that long predate the "Chaldean Empire", as I shall show, who's patriarch was Belus, or "Ba'al", the "father" of Dan. These references are never used in connection with Abraham or his descendents, and I believe this distinction is what is meant by Dan being represented as an illegitimate son of Jacob in the Bible.

There's much more, like Cecrops, a half-serpent king of Athens, Athens having just been invaded by the Edoni (e-DON-i) who were (according to the Greeks) descendents of Danp... everywhere I follow the Danau around I see serpents it seems. The story doesn't end with Dan either by any means. I am currently struggling with a book that totally rejects this theory about the tribe of Dan, yet traces bloodlines from ancient Mesopotamia all over Eurasia right into the Royal families of Europe (including the Balkans and parts of Central Asia) and England ... a bloodline he also describes as the "Dragon bloodline".

More about "John's" book and his interesting research later ...