The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

(IMG:http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/922/picture2xn7.png)

(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

(IMG:http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2203/picture1gw1.png)

(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

Far be it for me to defend the mindset responsible for what's going on in Gaza, or under-estimate the influence of Zionist neoconservatives in steering the US into the Iraq war, to say nothing of probable Mossad involvement in 9/11. But there are folks out there who tend to put all their eggs in the Zionist basket ... P4T's co-founder Rob was even accused once of being a Zionist agent. Hahh, give me a break.

They do have a point maybe in connecting the dots between the world's most powerful banking family, the Rothschilds, with the development of the state of Israel, however some of the claims I've heard repeated, such as the one where the Rothschilds were instrumental in starting the Zionist movement, don't hold up very well. Theodor Hertzl is traditionally credited with starting the Zionist movement, and in his diary he relates a conversation he had with Alfred Rothschild:

[Hertzl] "I shoved my chair closer to his better ear and said:

'I want to get a Charter for Colonization from the English Government.'

[Baron Rothschild] 'Don't say Charter. The word doesn't sound so good now.'

[Hertzl] 'Call it what you like. I want to found a Jewish colony in British territory.'

[Baron Rothschild] 'Take Uganda.'"

(...Uganda? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) )

In all fairness Herzl did finally win the Baron over, and the Balfour Agreement dated two decades later was in fact addressed to Lord (Lionel) Rothschild, but the fact of the matter is that in the beginning the Rothschilds were cautious and reluctant to get involved in Hertzl's project.

There are other flies in the "zionist-plot" ointment. The most powerful banking dynasties in the US, the Morgans and the Rockefellers, while they did initially enjoy the financial backing of the English Rothschilds as they were building their empires over a century ago, are gentile. It also piques my interest that the Vatican entrusts a great deal of it's wealth to the Rothschild bankers, and then you have the paradox of the "Illuminati". Whether a short lived secret-society founded by Adam Weishaupt in the 17th century, or the much older organization that "Svali", a defector, describes, it's Catholic connections are hard to dismiss. According to the "Weishaupt" version the Illuminati are said to have been created out of Rosecrucian and Freemason orders, the later of who's ranks into which the Templars allegedly sought refuge when they were expunged. Svali, on the other hand, claims that the Illuminati is much older, likely growing out of the original Templar bankers. And while the Templar's alliance with the Vatican can be shown to have been tentative, it's no secret that the knights' Frankish Crusader cousins killed many a Jew during the Crusades.

And what of the "Zeitgeist" paradigm, that organized religion was set here to blind us all to the truth ... Who's idea was that? Do the Jewish bankers of old Europe connect somehow with the Byzantine Romans who moulded the gospels to fit their agenda, or the royal families that emerged in Europe during the middle ages? What of the astrological roots of our religious heritages? How big is the conspiracy, really?

Dunno, but for me at least, these sorts of nagging questions and paradoxes began to evaporate when I started poking around in pre-biblical times, and in the myths and legends of Mesopotamia, Greece, Egypt, Phoenicia, Scandinavia & the British Isles. There is much less written about another corner of the world that may have played at least as important a role in how the world evolved ... Scythia.

The same folks who insist that Zionists are behind everything will also tell you that the vast majority of European peoples of Jewish extraction are descended from the Khazars (true), including the Rothschilds (true), and that Khazaria converted en-mass to Judaeism in the 8th Century (true), ergo, European Jews can claim no blood relation to the Israelites. (Probably not accurate.)

Khazaria, a vast empire north of and surrounding the Black and Caspian Seas, was once Scythia.

Any strictly historical accounts will invariably ignore the possible flooding of Medes, the Caucasus, and finally Scythia by the exiled northern tribes of Israel. Biblical scholars, on the other hand, won't fail to point it out. But I find it particularly interesting that all four of the major rivers emptying into the Black Sea are variations on the name of the northern-most tribe, Dan.

There is another relevant biblical tangent, that of Gog and Magog, understood to be, essentially, Scythia and the Caucasus ... or was Gog from Magog? Hey, I'm no biblical scholar ... all I know is Gog & Magog are mentioned in the book of Revelations and the area talked about is fairly well agreed upon to be roughly synonomous with Scythia, and the peoples synonomous with the descendents of Japeth (one of the sons of Noah)... or maybe, I think, it's not clear if Magog is supposed to be a person, or Gog was a person and Magog a place ... (typical!!!) No matter, it has something to do with the end-times (which I believe to be a lot of baloney, FTR).

Anyway, don't know about Mag or Magog, but the Scythians were a feared, respected and literate peoples.

A few blurbs about them:

Archaeological remains of the Scythians include kurgan tombs (ranging from simple exemplars to elaborate "Royal kurgans" containing the "Scythian triad" of weapons, horse-harness, and Scythian-style wild-animal art), gold, silk, and animal sacrifices, in places also with suspected human sacrifices. Mummification techniques and permafrost have aided in the relative preservation of some remains....

...Carbon-14 dating of the Scythian kurgans has allowed archaeologists to trace their emergence in the Sayan-Altay mountainous area from about 3,000 BC to about 500 BC, and their westward spread starting about 900 BC.

...One cannot say with certainty that all of those variously referred to as Scythians or Saka spoke Iranian languages, or that they descended genetically from the stock of Iranian's original speakers. They may have only had an Iranian-speaking élite.

 http://articles.gourt.com/en/Scythia 

Jordanes, the best known Gothic historian, always speaks of the Getae and Goths as one people. He also calls them “Scythae.”

.... The Cimmerians were the oldest inhabitants of Scythia. Their history can be traced back to near the close of the eighth century B.C. in Assyrian records..... 
...Tiglath Pileser III was the first king of Assyria to invade northern Israel. He deported Israelites to Assyria during the reign of Pekah (II Kings 15:29). This event is confirmed by the ancient records of Assyria.
The inscription of Tiglath?Pileser ill says, “The land of Bit?Humria, all of its people together with their goods I carried off to Assyria” (Vol. 1, par. 816). Ancient Records of Babylonia and Assyria by Lukenbill).
Historians have found no mention of the exiled Israelites in ancient records because the Assyrians did not call them “Israel.” They referred to Israel as “Bit Humria” or “Bit-Khumri.” Why? That name means the “land of Omri.” They probably used that name because Omri built Samaria as the capital city of northern Israel (I Kings 16:24).
Omri was originally pronounced as “Ghomri” according to Dr. T.G. Pinches in his book Assyria and Babylonia, (page 339). That is why the Assyrian names for the captive Israelites were Beth?Omri, Bit?Khumri, Bit?Humri and Bit?Ghumri.  The Ghumri or Ghomri later were known as the “Gamera.” By the time of Esarhaddon (681?669 B.C.), Ghomri was written as Gimirrai.
Assyrian records say the Gamir or Gimirrai were living in northern Media in 707 B.C. — in exactly the same place where some of the Israelites were placed in captivity only fourteen years earlier.

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/scandinavianroots.html

Pliny says that the Sacae who settled in Armenia (south of the Black Sea) were named “Sacassani” (Book vi.19). They called their part of Armenia “Sacasena,” which is nearly the same as Saxonia or Saxony. Ptolemy also mentions a Scythian people called “Saxones.” The Anglo-Saxons are British ancestors.
Both British and Scandinavian roots therefore go back to the area of Scythia. They are kindred nations with a common origin. No wonder there are Scythian elements in both Viking and Celtic art (page 178, The Scythians by T. T. Rice)...

.....The inscription on the rock cliff at Behistun in northern Persia has been a key to interpreting the languages of the ancient East. It also gives us a clue as to the names Israel bore in captivity. The inscription gives the names of 23 provinces in three languages that were subject to Darius Hystaspes.
In the Persian and Susian languages, one of the provinces listed is “Scythia” (from the phonetic word Saka). But in the Babylonian language, the same province is called the “land of the Cimmerians.” It was translated from the phonetic word “Gimiri.”
Sir Henry Rawlinson, who first copied and translated the inscription, considered the name “Gimiri” to be the Babylonian equivalent of “the tribes” (Vol. III, page 183, History of Herodotus translated by George Rawlinson, 1862).

...They were called Gimirrai, Cimmerians and Scythians. The Persians called all Scythians “Sacae.”
Some of the ten tribes were driven into the Caucasus Mountains between the Black and Caspian Seas. After they left those mountains, they migrated into northwestern Europe as the Cimbri, Celts, Danes, Normans and Saxons. They became known racially as “Caucasians.”

 http://www.originofnations.org/books,%20papers/Scandinavia.htm
 
 

The Agathyrsi (Akatziri) were to form the nucleus of the Khazar people. The Khazars converted to Judaism and at one stage became a world power. Their centre was in southern Russia, i.e. in Scythia.
 
...Saksin the Khazar capital was known as "The Saxon City"22. The Agathyrsi have been linked to the Goths23. Caucasian "Subarian traditions maintain that the Agathyrsians originated in Assur"24 i.e. there exists a tradition that the Agathyrsians came from Assyria and this is consistent with their having been Israelites who were exiled to Assyria and re-settled by the Assyrians on the fringes of their Empire. Herodotus relates the notion that the Agathyrsians, Scythians, and Gelonians were
brothers, sons of Hercules and a serpent woman.

 http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg25359.html

Hesiod, 7th Century BC, writes: The inventors of bronze working were the Scythians. The early Messopotamian name of the metal Zubur, indicates that the northern Messopotamian Subartuan's or a people of the region were indeed the inventors of the process. The Scythians also of this region were therefore but a different designation of such people that the Greeks associated with them.

 http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/scytha.html

The exiles who were removed from Samaria, a city of palaces and temples, no doubt, bewailed the capital they had heroically defended for three years against the army of what was, in its time, the world’s most powerful nation. Accordingly they might have called their new settlement Samaria (in Hebrew Shemer or Shomron; Sumur in the el-Amarna letters).
On the middle flow of the Volga, a city with the name Samara exists and has existed since grey antiquity. It is situated a short distance downstream from the point where the Volga and the Kama join. Russian conquerors of the ninth century found this city in existence.

 http://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/khazars.htm

OMG. This passage implies a connection between the area of biblical Israel known as Samaria, the Scythian city of Samara, and Sumer.

I'm beginning to get a sense that civilization as we know it didn't just suddenly appear in Sumer ... it had been bubbling and evolving for many millenium. Something happened, a flood, or what I don't know, and these pockets of communities, while taking a big hit and thinned to great degree, continued, connected somewhat by similar (and related) belief systems, and traded (and sometimes warred) with each other. This is why we have the dragon-cult fanning out from various places, and similar pagan traditions seemingly based everywhere from Scandinavia to Egypt to Sumer to Phoenicia (and even the biblical Israel).

I THINK, that the roots of our civilization are very deep, that Sumerian pyramid-shaped heiarchy, astrological knowlege, pagan traditions etc. was shared in other locals including Egypt, Ireland, Scythia and Phoenicia with simple variations, and that the elite class in all of these cultures affiliated themselves with the symbol of the dragon ... or the elements that made up the dragon - this mythical beast was in fact a conglomeration of the eagle, lion and serpent (which explains ALOT!), and persists to this day. I don't think necessarily that today's ruling elite really can trace their roots back to this age ... but I'm sure they think that they can, and that they derive some power from this illusion, that only they are ordained to rule the stupid masses.

There's one other interesting fact that I failed to mention ... there was a city in Israel from about the 8th century BC, about half way between the cities of Dan and Jeruselem ... called Scythopolis. It is called Beit She'an now. Michael Tsarion believes that the Scythians traded with and had communications with both the Israelites and the Egyptians ... and of course, certain people think that the Israelites were the earlier Hyksos in Egypt.

But the thread that ties ancient Egypt, Scythia, and (finally) Scotland together is the story of Scota.

Apparently a Scythian by the name of Mil married a daughter of the Pharaoh Akhenaton and his wife Nephertiti. After many years and an extended stay in Spain, the Pharaoh's daughter Scota, and her sons (Mil had died by then) invaded Ireland, and displaced the Tuatha De Danaan. Scotland, apparently, derives it's name from this princess. There were other invasions of the British Isles possibly originating from Scythia, some say by way of Scandinavia, the Picts being one such peoples. But the Milesians (descendents of Mil) were also, in a way, Scythians. There were later invasions by the Celts, who are also sometimes accused of deriving from Scythia or thereabouts, in fact some refer to the Milesians as a Celtic peoples. It's all very confusing, but I think these sorts of details don't matter so much. The Celts, Picts, Milesians and Vikings who attempted to colonize Ireland or Scotland at different times, some more successful than others, can all be traced back to the general area of Scythia (and the Caucasus).

I have read, by the way, that our word for "military" comes from "Mil".

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EDIT: I examine this more closely in a later post, where the Phrygian roots of the Picts are exposed. The Picts appear to be the same peoples as the Curetes of Calydon (Greece), which is why Scotland was once called Caledonia. It is nonetheless likely that these Picts were either originally from somewhere around the Black sea (maybe Scythia), or migrated there on their way from Greece to Scotland.