The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

(IMG:http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/922/picture2xn7.png)

(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

(IMG:http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2203/picture1gw1.png)

(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

Rabbi Makhir, said to be a descendent of King David hence of the "Davidian line", was moved from Baghdad to the Mediterranean coast of France (an area known as Septemania or Languedoc) in the 8th century as per the Pope's request (no matter how many summaries I read, I still can't figure out why Rabbi Makhir, the Exhilar of Babylon would give an owl's hoot for whether or not the Pope thought he should go to France, but anyway he packed up and went there) ... bringing with him the teachings of the Kabbala. [EDIT: Makhir's move to Languedoc was most likely as per the request of Charlemagne, and he received lands and title in return.] From there (literally ... from his own loins for the most part...) sprang the Cathars and the Dukes of Anjou. To great extent, the communities that grew up around Makhir and his progeny soon became the fount the Templar Knights (and the Priory of Sion - if it really existed...) grew out of. That is especially true if you factor in some Viking blood ... it should be noted that the Crusades (during which the Templars came into existence) got started less than 30 years after the (successful) invasion of England by William the Conqueror, a direct descendent of Rollo the Viking. Does a Davidian line originating in the south of France have anything to do with the Vikings who entered northern France in the late 9th century? A more appropriate question might be, how on earth did Rollo, the leader of that invasion, wind up married to the granddaughter of Pepin II (King of Aquitane and the grandson of Charlemagne himself !) ??? Generally, these royal lines didn't approach marriages lightly. Of course it was an attempt to form an alliance with the new bosses in Normandy, but try to imagine ... here a Viking invader stomps into France and takes over the northern third, and promptly marries into the most elite royal family of all of Europe, maybe in all of history. That's basically what happened.

http://h1.ripway.com/sandersite/Bloodlines3.jpg

Toward the right at top, find Charles Martel and his grandson Charlemagne, Charlemagne's grandson Pepin II and finally Pepin's grandaughter Poppa of Bavaria, who married Rollo the Viking ... from there you get William the Conqueror (and his descendents the English Kings of history).

I also urge the reader to note the various marraiges between West European royalty and EAST European royalty in that geneology chart (toward the left side). Were these, too, strictly arranged in the interest of forming alliances? Or did common Scythian roots have anything to do with both these unions and the welcome mat that the Carolingians (French Kings descended from Charlemagne) spread out for the Vikings? I can't support this claim, but I sense that somehow a common heritage, and maybe even some "dragon-blood" was involved.

A little about OUR Viking roots. Did you know that FOUR out of the 7 days of our week are named after Viking kings, queens or gods? Sunday and Monday are of course named after the sun and the moon (Latin/Roman roots), but Tuesday is Tiw's day, Tiw is an alternate spelling of Tyr, an important Viking god.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/martiana/tyr/index.html

Originally a god of law and justice, Tyr later came to represent war, and so is associated with Ares/Mars. (I remember that in French Tuesday is Merdi - I'm sure the other Romance languages also name that day for the planet Mars.) Two things jump out at me, first, the fact that in Hebrew "Dan" also means "law and justice". Also undeniable is the closeness of Tyr and Tyre, an ancient city in Phoenicia near Sidon and the city of Dan. The king of Tyre, if you recall, sent the master architect Hiram to Jeruselem to build Solomon's temple. Could the origins of Tyr and Tyre be the same? I'd be surprised if the words weren't connected. While I'm on that tangent, this may be just bunk, but it's interesting. That the word Viking derives from Six Kings. Six, in roman numerals, is of course VI. VI-Kings, 6 kings, Vikings. The 6 kings refer to the 6 Hyksos kings that ruled Egypt for the hundred years of the 15th dynasty. Whether that is the actual origin of the term "Viking" or not, I don't know, like I said it may be just bunk.

Wednesday comes from Wodan, an alternate spelling of the Viking god-king ODIN. Wednesday is Odin's day. Thursday is named for Odin's son, Thor, and Friday is named for his wife and queen, Freja. Amazingly, it appears that these were real people.

Here's a straight geneological line from Odin to an important Germanic ruler, Henry "the Fowler".

*Woden (or Odin or Bodo), King of Saxons (b 215, d 300) (m. Frea)
*1 Witte (or Wecta) I, King of Saxons (d 350)
*Witte, King of Saxons II
*Witigislus
*Hengest, Prince of Jutes
*Hathwigate, Prince of Saxons
*Hulderick, King of Saxons
*Bodicus, Prince of Saxons
*Berthold, King of Saxons
*Sighard, King of Saxons
*Dieterick, King of Saxons md Dobzegera, dau of Billung, King of Wenden
*Wernike King of Saxons b Germany md Gunilda b Germany
*Wittekind von Sachsen King of Saxons (Widukind) von Ingern of the King b 730 Germany d 7 JAN 807/08 (md Geva Eysteinsdatter of Denmark, b ABT 740 dau of Eystein of Westfold King in Raumarlike Halfdanarsson, and Hildi Eriksdatter)
*Wigbert Duke of Saxony Count in Engern, Lower Saxony, Count of Saxony - Duke of Saxony b. c 756, d. c 813 (married Hasalda von Sachsen, d/o Widukind, Herzog von Engern and Geva of Denmark, before 786)
*Bruno von Sachsen [Count of Saxony] b. circa 786, d. circa 844 (married Suana (Oda) of Montfort bef. 806. born circa 786.died circa 844.)
*Bruno De Harcourt Duke of the Angrian Saxons of Saxon SEE BELOW
*Ludolphe the great von Sachsen (Count) of SAXONY
*Otto I the illustrious von Sachsen b. c 836, d. 30 Nov 912 (md. Hedwige, Empress of the Holy Roman Empire)
*Heinrich I "The Fowler", King of the Germans (Henry the Fowler).

http://kyusa.addr.com/Beaumont/

For those out there that thought (as I did) that Odin was just a mythical Viking diety, here's a few other sites that attest to an actual Scandinavian king known by that name:

http://www.shocking.com/~gregbard/genealogy/fam00146.php
http://www.brumm.com/familytrees/5800.htm
http://www.mcintoshweb.com/clanmcintosh/people/norse.aspx

And for the record, it is my understanding that Woden or Odin just means King of the 'Dans', and that ALL Scandinavian kings of that period and earlier (Odin was supposedly born in the 3th century) were refered to as Odin. (Wodan, Odin and the various spellings of the Scandinavian king stongly suggest origins in "Dan", as does Denmark.) The "Odin" we are more or less familiar with just happens to be a particularly memorable king in a long string of them.

If you check all the way over at the right of the chart I posted above, (here it is again)
http://h1.ripway.com/sandersite/Bloodlines3.jpg

... you'll find Henry "The Fowler", founder of the Saxon Kings. This line produced many prominent crusaders and kings of Jeruselem. His descendant Ida (of Lorraine)'s husband, Eustace II, was descended from Alfred the Great, a patriarch of English and Scottish kings who was ALSO descended from Odin (located toward the left of the chart). Alfred's blood gets mixed in with the royals of the East when Edward the Elder's daughter Adiva marries Bolesiav I of Bohemia, and that blood gets mixed up again with Scottish and English royalty when Agatha of Bulgaria marries Edward the Exile, producing Margaret, Queen of Scotland. Her marraige to Malcom III produced both Matilda, who married Henry I son of William the Conqueror on one hand, and David I of Scotland on the other, from whom the Robert the Bruces are descended. The roots of the alliance between the Templar knights and the royals of Scotland begins in this period [UPDATE (July2008) - Woah was I naive! The roots of the Scottish/Templar alliance are much older and deeper - ], but I'll touch on that later. The point is, the blood of Odin leaked into the royal bloodlines of France and England via several paths, in fact the Queen of England herself claims to carry the "blood of Woden".

However, the most important Scandinavian patriarch of European royalty is "Rollo the Viking".
http://www.answers.com/topic/rollo

Rollo was said to be such a giant of a man that a horse couldn't carry him (very doubtful), and that he and his men kicked the ever-lovin' sh#t out of the entire north of France (not in doubt).

...(will add more soon, going to bed)