The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

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(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

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(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

Who were the Vikings? Historians say they were Scythians (or Sarmatians ... Sarmatia was in the western portion of Scythia north of the Black Sea), who emmigrated (invaded might be the better word) and mixed with the indigenous peoples there.

The origins of the Vikings lie, like all original Indo-European peoples, in the ancient Sarmatian (European) homeland between the Black and Baltic seas. <s> Part of the earliest wave of Indo-European settlers, the Vikings were originally the Sarmatian tribes who settled in southern Scandinavia and Denmark...

http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/vikingai/vikingai.htm

When historians also tell us that the Picts of Scotland came from Scythia, they note that they arrived there via Scandinavia. It may not be correct to call them all one people, but they are connected.

[EDIT: The Picts may well not have arrived in Scotland via Scandinavia, I have located the source of this confusion which I mention in a later post.]

But what about this? If you just go to google-image and search for Viking and Phoenician ships, you get a lot of pictures like this.

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I have no idea how we know that both cultures dyed their sails in red and white stripes, or if they did, but their ships certainly most often are depicted that way. Additionally, in the upper right corner above is the Civic Heraldry of Lebanon, complete with red and white stripes (modern Lebanon and ancient Phoenicia are essentially the same place).

Phoenicia was famous for a purple-red dye made from the murex snail, which is often connected to the color worn by royalty, however the dye made from the Phoenician snail may not be the red used to color their sails.

Interestingly, the Tribe of Dan is also associated with a banner of Red and White -

"Dan's position in the journey was on the North of the Tabernacle, with Asher and Naphtali. The standard of the tribe was of white and red and the crest upon it an eagle. . .Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, the destroyer of serpents, as he shrank from carrying an adder upon his flag." [Unger, p. 273]

http://watch.pair.com/dan.html

A cockatrice is a mythical animal that is part bird and part snake. It was tied to Dan because the original symbol used on the standard of the tribe was a red adder [snake or serpent] on a white background with a gold crown on its head. The adder was later replaced by an eagle, which was known for destroying snakes by hunting and eating them.

http://abrieflookattomorrow.com/striking_distance.htm

A couple of other flags contain red and white stripes ... we're all familiar with the American flag of course, maybe not with the flag of the Dutch East India Trading Company, the largest and most lucrative operation in Imperial England, one of who's flags was the red cross on white, with horizontal red and white stripes.

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The British flag also incorporates the red cross, and there's a good reason to believe this is in fact taken from the Templars - just look at the crest of the City of London. (The Templar shield flanked by two dragons! - jeeeze!!!) The English anscestral home of the Templars was of course the Crown Temple Church, at the western edge of the "City", or "square mile" as it is sometimes called. The City of London, for those not familiar, is a sovereign city-state in the heart of London, unburdened by English laws or juristiction, complete with it's own police force. A few blocks away from the Crown Temple Church is the Bank of England, the center of western banking. This is no surprise because the Templars are in fact the fathers of modern banking. In medeival Europe you could hand over your gold to the Templars in one city, get a reciept in return, travel to another city and exchange that reciept for an equal amount of gold (minus a service charge I would imagine), and not worry about being robbed on the way. Their prodigious lending to kings and queens is what finally got them into trouble, when King Phillip IV of France, who owed them way too much money, decided that one way to get out of debt was just to round the Knights up and burn them at the stake for heresy, which he did between the years 1307 and 1314.

Some of the surviving Templars fled to Scotland, which is really interesting. A few hundred years before that, some members of the St. Clair (Sinclair) family (you may recognise the name if you saw or read 'the Da Vinci Code', or 'Holy Blood Holy Grail' which it is based on) decided not to accompany William Duke of Normandy (William the Conqueror) on his foray of conquest into England in 1066, and instead picked up and moved to Scotland. I'm a little fuzzy on the details but I'll look into it more and post later on it. Other Templars went to Portugal, which is why you see a slightly modified red Templar cross on the sails of Columbus' ships ... the Templars (in Portugal) were investors in that voyage.

There are other auspicious buildings inside the City of London, the English Stock Exchange, Lloyd's of London headquarters, and N.M. Rothschild & Sons Ltd. where the price of gold is set twice a day. That's a fun anecdote -

LONDON - The financial district known here simply as The City is a hotbed of the loyal Order of the Masons, who have a penchant for strange rituals. But Masonry has nothing to do with an odd little ceremony performed twice every day in an office at N.M. Rothschild & Sons Ltd.

Five men talk on their phones for 10 minutes or so and then lower tiny Union Jacks sitting on their desks. And that's it. The London gold fixings is complete. It takes place at 10:30 a.m. and 3 p.m., like clockwork. The same ceremony has been performed the same way, in the same place, and with mostly the same firms participating since the first gold fixing was enacted at Rothschild in St. Swithin's Lane on Friday Sept. 12, 1919.

http://www.kitco.com/london.fix.article.html

By the way, the Rothschilds also own most or much of the Bank of England, have since 1815 when Nathan Rothschild, armed with advance knowlege of Napolean's defeat at Waterloo, perpetrated an insider trading coup in London. I bring this up because I don't want the reader to lose track of the dots we are trying to connect ... the Rothschilds, by far the richest and most powerful dynasty in the world, are descended from Khazars ... read: Scythians. Donald Kagan is one of the founders of the Neoconservative movement, his two sons are active in it was well. Kagan meant King in ancient Kazaria. (Thanks painter for that info.) I haven't gotten to the Greek theatre yet, but why am I not surprised that Donald Kagan specialized in ancient Greece at Yale, and wrote a four-volume history of the Peloponnesian War? Speaking of Neoconservatives and Greece and ships, Richard Perle, globalist and media mogul Conrad Black's 'pet', close friend and business partner of Henry Kissinger, and warmongering neocon delux ("If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us..."), named his own company "Trireme" - which is a Greek warship with three layers of oars. The Phoenicians had "biremes", with two layers (the Greeks added another).

There are two other little tidbits relating to the City of London, and then I'll move on. King John, in 1213, who had been excommunicated several years earlier (this meant that the whole of England was excommunicate - no Brits could get into heaven), transferred the authority of the English crown to the pope, in return for papal grace. That agreement has never been negated. Even today, the power of the crown does not sit on the Queen's head - it resides in the City of London. HOW the power of the crown moved from the pope to the City of London, I don't know, I have searched for the answer to that question long and hard. All I can offer is to point out that the Templars were the pope's own militia at the time.

Secondly, the evolution of our legal system. You can't have a successful bank if you don't have a lawyer nearby to back you up - don't pay your debts, you get taken to court and thrown in jail. Indeed, modern law and modern banking evolved together - not just together, but in the same tiny neighborhood ! The Crown Temple Church, anscestral home of the Templar Knights, in the City of London, is currently (and has always been) the headquarters of the International Bar Association (!!!). After you graduate from law school and take the bar exam, whether you are to become a lawyer or a judge, you swear an oath of fealty to the International Bar Association in the City of London - all bar associations around the world are franchises of this institution. (Someone kick me in the head!!!) By the way, our term "passing the bar" comes from the gate into the City of London a few yards from the Crown Temple Church, where a bar was placed. You gained permission to enter The City and the "bar" was dropped and you were allowed entry. You "passed the bar".

Which brings us to "Admiralty Law". I'm not qualified to get into this too much, but the Universal Codification of numerous US laws (in the stated interest of inter-state unification) that has been going on for over a century is an attempt to move the US away from Constitutionally derived and common-law based statutes to ones based on Admiralty Law, the law of the Seas, the law of Commerce. Heck, you could even think of the Universal Code as the beginnings of "gobalization". Here's a good article that explains it all and documents the various legal statutes that have been introduced or changed (always in the direction of Admiralty Law, always away from the spirit of the Constitution).
http://truedemocracy.net/td-11/21.html

And this is an interesting presentation, by Jordan Maxwell & Jason Whitney - the Occult World of Commerce.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=7tABE4tAlrM

Before I move on, I should note that all of the Rothschild sponsored banking endeavors in the US are preceded by the word "City", derived from or in honor of, the City of London. This is true. National City Bank., National City Bank of Cleveland (from which J. D. Rockefeller received his backing), National City bank of Houston, and of course, yes, Citibank.

The overiding point to all of this is, COMMERCE. The Phoenicians were sea-faring traders. The Tribe of Dan as well. To what extent these peoples were conquering peoples is somewhat vague, but there is much evidence that they did in fact move about and take control wherever they went, thanks in no small part to their superiority in metallurgy (that's why it's called the Bronze age), weaponry, shipbuilding, organizational skills, architectural knowlege, and knowlege of the stars (all of these "virtues" were of course posessed by the nearby Egyptians and Sumerians, in fact they probably had them first ... but we're trying to move through history).

The Vikings also were certainly both sea-faring traders and ruthless conquerors ... and all of these groups share incredible similarities in their religious beliefs, the way they built their ships, even in the names of their gods.

Admittedly I've gotten here by a very circuitous route, but maybe we can return now to the Phoenician/Scythian/Viking connection. We know (or we are told) about the Scythian/Viking connection - what of a possible Phoenician/Scythian connection?

Regarding the Phoenicians, George Rawlinson writes:

Without a chart, without a compass, guided only in their daring voyages by their knowledge of the stars, these bold mariners penetrated to the shores of Scythia in one direction; to Britain, if not even to the Baltic, in another; in a third to the Fortunate Islands...

http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/s...=1&.intl=us

That was written by a Professor of Ancient History @ the University of Oxford, good enough for me. It comes as no surprise to me though that the ancient Phoenicians would have traded with Scythia, it's not so hard to get there by boat ... all you have to do is sail up through the Bosphorus straights into the Black Sea.

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In my previous post I pointed out that our word for Tuesday comes from the Viking god Tiw, taken from Tyre, the meaning being government, war, or law, and also the name of an important city on the coast of Phoenicia. Tyre and Sidon were both close to the city of Dan and Mt. Hermon...