The Dragon Blood-line
Jun 24 2008, 12:38 PM
Joined: 13-September 06
Member No.: 49
I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.
The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".
If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]
Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.
It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.
Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)
Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.
I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.
One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".
But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.
CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.
...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!
...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.
WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.
But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.
I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.
More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.
For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.
(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)
But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.
(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)
(12 + 1 = 13)
Jul 22 2008, 02:47 PM
Joined: 13-September 06
Member No.: 49
Mt. Hermon, which was the center of ancient Ba'al worship, is a mountain straddling modern Lebanon and Syria, just outside the biblical land of Israel north of the Asher and Nephtali tribes. At the southern foot of the mountain lied the city of Laish, which was attacked and claimed for their own by the Tribe of Dan and renamed "Dan" (circa 1100BC?). The peaks (there are three peaks, some suggest that the three pyramids at Giza mirror these three peaks) comprised the most important pagan landmark in all of the Levant - Mt. Hermon was thought to be the "gate" by which the "fallen angels" (fathers of the Nephilim?) entered the world.
From The Book of Enoch:
"And it came to pass, after the children of men had increased in those days, beautiful and comely daughters were born to them.
"And the angels, the sons of the heavens, saw and lusted after them, and said one to another: ‘Behold, we will choose for ourselves wives from among the children of men, and will beget for ourselves children.'
"And they descended on Ardîs, which is the summit of Mount Hermon; and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn on it and bound themselves mutually by a curse" (Enoch 6:1-6).
Sure enough, the most solidly pagan tribes among the Israelites, Dan and Naphtali (the similarity between the terms Nephtali and Nephilim, as I've mentioned, are obvious), lived at the foot of Mt. Hermon, and temples to Ba'al dotted the area.
"More than twenty temples have been surveyed on Mount Hermon and its environs. This is an unprecedented number in comparison with other regions of the Phoenician coast." [Freedman, "Hermon, Mount," p.159]
In a book entitled, The Gods of the Lodge, author Reginald C. Haupt, Jr., described what he found during his trip to Mount Hermon:http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articlede...?Article_ID=191
"In the excavations of Baalbek, renamed Heliopolis by the Greeks, temples were uncovered honoring Baal and Bachus. The same is true of the site at Sidon. The Temple there is named the Temple of Baal of Sidon. But by far, of greater importance was the temple of Baal found on Mt. Hermon. Perhaps it would be more meaningful to you if I [Reginald Haupt] quote direct from my source. In the 1982 edition of the Thompson Chain Reference Bible (Fourth Improved Edition), the archaeological supplement was provided by G. Fredrick Owen, D.D., Ed.D. Dr. Owen wrote on page 376 of his supplement the following:
"Mount Hermon, the ‘chief' of the mountains of Palestine is five miles wide and twenty miles long. It has three peaks, the tallest of which is 9,166 feet above the Mediterranean Sea. For centuries before Abraham's time, the mountain had been venerated in connection with Baal.
"Baal worship was the leading religion of Canaan. On most of the high peaks of the country were shrines known as ‘high places,' the higher the holier. Here groves were planted and shrines erected for worship. Since Mount Hermon towered above all the other mountains in the region, it was the chief high place, the shrine of shrines. Canaanites looked to Mount Hermon much as the Moslems face Mecca when they pray.
"During the summer of 1934, Dr. Stewart Crawford and this writer [Reginald Haupt] led a small expedition, in which we studied the ancient Baal shrines surrounding Mount Hermon. We located many ruins and in each case the shrine was so oriented that when the priests and the devotees were at the altar, they faced the chief Baal sanctuary, or Quibla, located on the highest of the three peaks of Hermon.
"We then ascended the mountain and found the ruined temple of Baal, constructed of Herodian masonry, which dated it to just previous to and during the early Christian era. In a low place near the northwest corner of the temple, we excavated and found loads of ash and burnt bone, which had been dumped there as a refuse from sacrifices" (Reginald C. Haupt, Jr., The Gods of the Lodge, p. 126).
The Phoenicians had trading posts all around the Mediterannean, from Crete to Sicily to Morocco to Spain. Somewhere in between 800 and 1200 BC (depending on who you ask), they established the city of Carthage in northern Africa, which would remain within their sphere until the Romans conquered it (146 BC). I bring up Carthage for two reasons. Carthage was one of three main centers of Kabbalah-cult activity, the other two being Chaldea (southern Mesopotamia) and Greece. (Kabbalah will come up in my next post.) Secondly, archealogical digs uncovered a Topet or Topeth (and lots of bones) in Carthage. A Topeth was a "roaster" used in child sacrifice rituals.
I might not have been motivated to chasing down any of this info had I not been disturbed by what goes on every summer at the Bohemian Grove, and curious as to why. This is for real, America's political and business leaders do actually get together in California every year, and, in addition to some general goofing off and I imagine a fair amount of worldly discussion, don hooded black robes and watch mock human sacrifices. WTF!?? If I hadn't seen this
or Alex Jone's piece on the Grove, I probably wouldn't have believed this really goes on.
What possible reason could there be for such a yearly event to exist, and for distinguished politicians and business leaders to risk their reputations by showing up there? Actually, part of the answer to why they don't worry about getting busted is the fact that what goes on is so outrageous that they know very few people would believe it even if they saw it with their own eyes ... but the question of why this tradition even exists remains. Hopefully this thread makes some inroads into answering that.
"John", author of 'Ladon Gog', discusses the Carthage Tophet here (and the disconcerting implication that this sort of thing went on near Jeruselem as well).
From this page:
"In 1921 Otto Eissfeldt, excavating in Carthage...uncovered [what] was a sanctuary to the goddess Tanit comprising a cemetery with thousands of burned bodies of animal and of human infants, dating from the 8th century BC down to the destruction of Carthage in 146 BC. Eissfeldt identified the site as a tophet, using a Hebrew word of previously unknown meaning connected to the burning in some Biblical passages. Most of the children's bodies appeared to be those of newborns, but some were older, up to about six years of age."
Tanit was the wife (i.e. the ally) of Baal Hammon (I've yet to identify her as an historical peoples; perhaps the Danaan). The Bible uses "Topheth" for a location within a mile of Jerusalem, in the valley of Hinnom. How could such insane religious observances be conducted so closely to His city; why did YHWH permit them there? ...
...Strong's Concordance says that "Topheth" (38612) derives from the primary root, "taphaph" (38608)," meaning, "to drum." It's now obvious to me why that term came to signify Molech, for this definition evokes the loud drummings made by Curetes/Kabeiri during their wild bashes. In other words, there was more going on than a lot of wine drinking and orgiastic perversions; human sacrifices were a typical part of those bashes. That's what the myths didn't reveal openly, but what the myth writers knew.
I find it interesting that the Carthage finds are dated from 800 to 146 BC... exactly the period the Phoenicians donimated the city - solid evidence that this sort of thing went on around Mt. Hermon as well is elusive, but I'd be very surprised if it didn't.
Mt. Hermon was also known as Mt. Sion, not be confused with Mt. Zion, which is near Jeruselem. Without question, the Priory of Sion, the "keepers of the Grail" closely associated with the Merovingians and the Templar knights, whether real or a hoax, derives it's name from this Sion. I have often heard or read the two (Zion and Sion) being confused, it makes me want to jump up and down and shout, "No, no, the two are not the same! This is one of the reasons Judaeism, Zionism, and the whole Kabala-dragon-cult stuff has gotten all jumbled up in our collective heads IMO. Sion equals PAGAN, The Gate of fallen Angels!"
And speaking of secret societies, boy was I (not?) surprised that, if measured from the Paris Zero Meridian (which was in use until the Zero Meridian was moved to Greenwich in 1884), Mt. Hermon lies at 33º latitude and 33º longitude. Do you have to be a 33rd degree Mason before they let you in on that I wonder? Goodness, what a lucky accident that I drifted into Masonry ... I touched on this before, but the ritual of the 3rd degree of Masonry is the re-enactment of the death of Hiram Abiff, who is central to the tenets of that cult. Abiff was the master builder of Solomon's temple, his mother was from the Tribe of Dan, his father a man of Tyre, (or) possibly from the tribe of Napthali. Solomon asked the king of Tyre for help in building his temple, the king sent Hiram, along with a workforce of Phoenicians. Solomon shows the finished work to Sheba - she is impressed, and he marries her. However Sheba wants to meet the architect, who she falls in love with, and that spells the end of Hiram. Three builders (chosen by Solomon to exact his revenge), who feel jilted for Hiram having witheld the secrets of Masonry from them, try in turn to force Hiram into revealing the key to his knowlege, which he will not do, and so they kill him.
Many writers - chiefly non-Masons - have sought to throw light upon the subject, and with one voice they agree that the story of the death of Hiram is simply the Masonic way of serving up an ancient mystery. Mr John Fellows, who brings a mass of knowledge to a study of the subject, says that "the story of Hiram is only another version, like those of Adonis and Astarte, and of Ceres and Prosperine, of the fable of Osiris and Isis. The likeness throughout," he adds, "is so exact as not to admit of doubt. The search for the body of Hiram; the enquiries made of a wayfaring man, and the intelligence received; the sitting down of one of the party to rest and refresh himself, and the hint conveyed by the sprig over the grave; the body of Hiram remaining fourteen days in the grave prepared by the assassins before it was discovered, all have allusion to, and comport with, the allegory of Osiris and Isis. The condition even in which the grave of Hiram is found, covered with green moss and turf, corresponds very much with that in which Isis found the coffin of Osiris."
I wanted to point out these similarities between the Hiram Abiff tale and the legend of the Egyptian god Osiris, but more than that, look at this, and note where Tyre is, the city to where Solomon turned when he got it into his head to build the Temple that the Templar Knights were so obsessed with and that Zionists and End-Timers to this day are all worked up about, in proximity to the city of Dan and Mt. Hermon.
Mt. Hermon wasn't just important to the Phoenicians and surrounding peoples, after Alexander the Great's reign the Ptolemaic kings of Egypt built a shrine at the southern foot of the mountain in worship of Pan, the Greek god of nature, calling it Paneion. Later, the Romans (actually Herod's son, Philip II, who ruled the area) expanded the cult center into a city, Caesarea Philippi, which was "a pagan center full of temples, Greek theaters and statues". http://www.welcometohosanna.com/LIFE_OF_JESUS/ministry15.htm
The city is now called Banius, an Arab corruption of "Paneas". The Greek Pan was, by the way, the son of Hermes ... and Hermes comes from??? You guessed it, Mt. Hermon.
Before moving on I need to make a quick correction regarding the Picts and Scotland (it seems the more I read the less I know (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), and happily, in doing so swing right around to where I want to go, Greece. Not only does Greece fit smack dab between the Bronze age & biblical world (I've been discussing) and Medieval Europe (where I'm heading), it also lies between the two geographically. As all roads lead to Rome, maybe all dragons slither through Greece(?).
Anyway, I mentioned that the Picts, a peoples who arrived in northern England (around 1000BC?) and dominated what is now Scotland until the Milesians came, were Scythians ... and that the accepted wisdom is that they arrived there via Scandinavia. It turns out no one really knows who the Picts were, much less how they got there. I did learn why this view is oft repeated (and the source of my confusion - I'm certain one of my high school teachers put it into my head):
Bedes, an Anglo-Saxon historian (673-735) wrote, as quoted here,
"... the nation of the Picts, from Scythia [by which it is generally agreed that Bede means Scandinavia], as is reported, putting to sea, in a few long ships, were driven by the winds beyond the shores of Britain, and arrived on the northern coast of Ireland, where, finding the nation of the Scots, they begged to be allowed to settle among them, but could not succeed in obtaining their request... The Scots answered that the island could not contain them both; but "We can give you good advice," said they, "what to do; we know there is another island, not far from ours, to the eastward, which we often see at a distance, when the days are clear. If you will go thither, you will obtain settlements; or, if they should oppose you, you shall have our assistance." The Picts, accordingly, sailing over into Britain, began to inhabit the northern parts thereof..."http://www.dot-domesday.me.uk/picts.htm
Look at that first sentence: "the nation of the Picts, from Scythia [by which it is generally agreed that Bede means Scandinavia]". (His brackets, not mine.) Bede never said they were from Scandinavia, people just assumed he was mistaken. If they were of Scythian roots, could they not have arrived in England via, say, the Iberian route, as the Milesians did? I find it interesting that there are also some theories out there that the Picts were Iberian, Iberia being Spain of course, or a sect of Celtic peoples, as others suggest. Anyway, there are all kinds of theories, for anyone interested here's a couple of decent pages about the Picts.
A word about the Celts, the Celts are about as well understood as the Picts. Some writers refer to the Milesians as Celts, or the Gaels as Celts, or even the Picts as a sect of Celts. Other writers strongly disagree, claiming the Celts were an entirely different peoples. Others go so far as to consider the term 'Celt' "so corrupted in the archaeological and popular literature that it is worthless."
I ran across this though...
Given the distribution of Celtic languages in southwest Europe, it is most likely that they were spread by a wave of agriculturalists who dispersed 7,000 years ago from Anatolia [central Turkey] , travelling along the north coast of the Mediterranean to Italy, France, Spain and then up the Atlantic coast to the British Isles. There is a dated archaeological trail for this. My genetic analysis shows exact counterparts for this trail both in the male Y chromosome and the maternally transmitted mitochondrial DNA right up to Cornwall, Wales, Ireland and the English south coast.
...which sounds pretty solid to me, particularly because I've been running across accounts of 'Celts' in places along the way ... Armenia, southern Gaul, etc. Either way, they seem to have arrived in Ireland and Scotland much later than the other migrations I've mentioned (Tuatha De Danaan, Picts, Milesians), possibly no earlier than the 4th century BC. (Whew.)
Another clairification, the story of Scota, daughter of the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten and Nefertiti who married Mil and invaded Scotland with her sons, is somewhat controversial.
Digging around though, I ran across something interesting, a bloodline spanning from the biblical Adam to Mil, or "Galamh, also known as Milesius of Spain" written by John O'Hart, a (long deceased) Irish genealogist.
He describes Milesius:
36. Milesius, in his youth and during his father's life-time, went into Scythia, where he was kindly received by the king of that country, who gave him his daughter in marriage, and appointed him General of his forces. In this capacity Milesius defeated the king's enemies, gained much fame, and the love of all the king's subjects. His growing greatness and popularity excited against him the jealousy of the king; who, fearing the worst, resolved on privately despatching Milesius out of the way, for, openly, he dare not attempt it. Admonished of the king's intentions in his regard, Milesius slew him; and thereupon quitted Scythia and retired into Egypt with a fleet of sixty sail. Pharaoh Nectonibus [different from the other accounts whereby Akhenaten is her father], then king of Egypt, being informed of his arrival and of his great valour, wisdom, and conduct in arms, made him General of all his forces against the king of Ethiopia then invading his country. Here as in Scythia, Milesius was victorious; he forced the enemy to submit to the conqueror's own terms of peace. By these exploits Milesius found great favour with Pharaoh, who gave him, being then a widower his daughter Scota in marriage; and kept him eight years afterwards in Egypt.
During the sojourn of Milesius in Egypt, he employed the most ingenious and able persons among his people to be instructed in the several trades, arts, and sciences used in Egypt; in order to have them taught to the rest of his people on his return to Spain.
By the phrase, "on his return to Spain" I take that to mean Milesius was originally from Spain. The account of Scota found @ Wikipedia comes from the Irish chronicle Lebor Gabála Érenn, in which she is the daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh named Cingris (a name found only in Irish legend) and marries "Niul, son of Fenius Farsaid, a Babylonian who travelled to Scythia".
As is the case so many times trying to look back thousands of years, the accounts differ. But there are some interesting clues here. In a version of John O'Hart's geneology listed at Wikipedia, Mil is descended from a string of Scythian kings, Fenius Farsa (great-grandson of Japeth), later Beouman, Ogaman and Tait. From there the line moves to "Gothia or Getulia, where Carthage was afterwards built" for a few generations (Whoh!! Does a Scythian-Phoenician connection not hit you over the head!??), then to Spain beginning with Breoghan (King of Galicia Andalusia, Murcia, Castile, and Portugal).
In the Lebor Gabála Érenn account Scota marries "Niul, son of Fenius Farsaid", who you see in John O'Hart's list appears much earlier in history. But in this account they have a son, "Goídel Glas". In John O'Hart's geneology chart as well Fenius Farsaid has a son, "Gaodhal (Gathelus)". Goídel, or Gaodhal, is the eponymous (legendary but accepted) ancestor of the Gaels. (This is where we get the term "Gaelic".)
So nomatter how you slice it, the roots of the Scots (that is, the Melisians/ Gaels) are probably overwhelmingly Scythian.
But Scotland wasn't always called Scotland, it was also once known as Caledonia. Sure sounds alot like Calydon, or the Calydonians of ancient Greece, doesn't it?
Indeed, "John", the author of 'Ladon Gog' has no compunction in referring to those 'post-Tuatha De Danaan / pre-Milesian' invaders of Northern England as the 'Calydonian Picts'.
Which speaks of Greece...
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