The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

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(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

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(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

I posted earlier about the Calydonian Boar, and it's use on the Pollack and de Vere (and Bush) family crests, and talked about how the Boar was identified with Hyperborea in Greek legends. Here's a link to two Laden Gog chapters dealing with the boar, "Vere's the Ham" and
"My Calydonian Boar Hunt" (I love his chapter titles.)

While the exact location of Hyperborea is open to debate, John uses Artemis and her twin brother Apollo to fix the origin of the Boar where I suspect it belongs ...

In Greek myth, Artemis sends a boar to afflict Oeneus, king of Calydon, a descendant of Endymion. And so that's clue number one, that the boar was an Artemis peoples opposed (but not necessarily unrelated) to the Calydonians. Artemis was Apollo's twin sister, meaning that the boar originated at one time off the north shores of the Black sea.

So far, this fits nicely with all the other things we know about the Picts ... but John isn't finished scrambling our brains ...

The mythical Aetolius was the founder of Greek Calydon. The Curetes that were closely related to Zeus, and who practiced the Kabeiri cult, were in Aetolia, and no doubt spread into Calydon. Sweet Merlin the magician was likely one of these slithering snakes. The Calydon-to-Caledon migration can be traced across Italy, and I do note how Aetolia evokes "Italia." See firstly that the Calydonian peoples depicted as the daughter of Oeneus (Methoni) were the inhabitants of Methoni, the purported origin of the Gypsies, who are called variously "Gitani", "Cigani," and "Roma." The Cigani term denotes northern Italy.

The Spartan peoples depicted as "Leda" (an Artemis/Apollo peoples) came forth from Thestius, he being a Curete from Aetolia. Zeus, who was raised by Curetes and therefore likely a Curete himself, came onto Leda as a swan to produce her twins (Caster and Pollux), suggesting that the swan -- and the twins -- depict Curetes. These Greek swans removed to northern Italy.

Whenever Zeus mates with a "woman," his name can be interchanged with many alternative terms when the myth writer wants to be more geographically/ethnically specific, but they must tie back to Zeus as their father in one way or another. It is sometimes said that, instead of Zeus, it was Cycnus of Liguria (north Italy) who mated with Leda to produce those said twins, since Cycnus was depicted as a swan. That would make Caster and Pollux a Gaul peoples of northern Italy. How did they end up in Scotland? One foot after the other, and lot's of killing all the way. My heroes!

In light of the Curetes of Calydon, could it be a coincidence that in Scotland there lived the Cruithin/Cruithne? The Romans not only called the Cruithne, "Picts," but "Caledonians"!!

Allow me to try and explain some of this. First, the Curetes lived in Aetolia, where they (as per greek legend) participated in the Calydonian boar hunt.

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They are best known for having protected the infant Zeus, supreme god of the Greek pantheon.

Hmmm, maybe I better start at the beginning (literally the beginning!). Uranus was the original ruler of the Universe, but he was a lousy father, hiding his children (the Hecatoncheires, Cyclopes and Titans - all by intercourse with Uranus' his own mother, Gaia) in the underworld. The youngest of these children, the Titan Chronos (Saturn in the Roman stories from where we get Saturday, Satan, and Satyr is Chronos of Greece), lops off his father's genitals and throws them in the sea, displacing his father as ruler of the Universe.

The correlation with the Osiris myth in which Osiris is torn into pieces and scattered around Egypt by Seth, whereby Isis reconstitutes the body with the exception of the genitals which have been eaten by fish, is obvious.

It turns out Chronos was not such a nice father either, you may have seen Goya's seminal painting, "Saturn Devouring One of his Children." http://www.astrococktail.com/images/saturn%20350a.jpg

Chronos' wife, Rhea, was tired of having children only to have her husband eat them, and so tricks Chronos by feeding him a stone disquised in clothing. She hides Zeus in Crete (the island in between Phoenicia and Greece), and summons the Curetes from Phrygia (middle of Anatolia, or modern Turkey), who come and hide the cries of the infant by banging their swords and shields in a frenzied dance.

The Curetes are closely associated with, or may be identical to, the Dactyls, the Corybante, and the Kabeiri. The Corybante are sometimes identified as a Caucasus people:

CORYBANTES ... have been called attendants of Rhea, identified as Cybele, the Mother of the Gods worshipped in Phrygia, and guardians of Dionysus in his growing days. It is also told that the CORYBANTES, came from Colchis (today Georgia in the Caucasus).

http://www.maicar.com/GML/CORYBANTES.html

...but the Curetes & Dactyls (the Curetes might have been Dactyls, or vice versa) and the Kabeiri are all said to originate from Phrygia. Collectively these closely related (or identical) tribes were known for their "war-dances, noise, cymbals, drums ... dancing and <s> religious frenzy and worship [of] the Mother of the Gods with orgies (from the above source). Here the Dactyls are also credited with the discovery of Iron and metal smelting and described as "mysterious sorcerers":

The tradition ...describes them as the earliest inhabitants of Crete, and as having gone thither ... from Phrygia, and as having discovered the iron in mount Berecynthus. (Diod. v. 64; Cic. de Nat. Deor. iii. 16.) With regard to the real nature of the Dactyls, they seem to be no more than the mythical representatives of the discoverers of iron and of the art of smelting metals with the aid of fire, for the importance of this art is sufficiently great for the ancients to ascribe its invention to supernatural beings. ...they are said to have discovered various other things ... to have introduced music from Phrygia into Greece, to have invented rhythm ... in general looked upon as mysterious sorcerers...

http://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Kouretes.html

One other point of interest, Laden-Gog author John identifies Dactyl (altenately Dactyloi) as a word combining Dagon (the Phoenician patriarch god & father of Baal), and Tylos ... Tylos is Dilmun, or modern Bahrain, the resort-home of the ancient gods of Sumer.

Please bear with me, soon all of this stuff will tie together. (It's quite incredible, really.)

Rhea, the mother of Zeus who summoned the Curetes to Crete, is often identified with Cybele (Kybele), the Great Mother goddess worshipped in Phrygia. The Phrygian Kabeiri-Curetes worshipped this goddess, and a popular cult grew up around her and her mortal consort, Attis, which spread in Greece and later became so popular in Rome that the cult of Kybele became part of state sanctioned religion in the Roman Empire.

When I recently learned of this cult I immediately recalled the Viking goddess Frija (also known as Freyja, Frig or Freya, the wife of Woden). I never doubted that Tiw or Tyr, the Viking god of war and government and the origin of our word for Tuesday, reveals a Phoenician branch of Viking roots. So could Frija, the origin of our word for Friday btw, honor a Phrygian branch? And if so, could a third branch, rooted in the Tribe of Dan and/or Danaus of Greece manifest in the name of the Viking king-god Woden? Scholars tell us the Vikings originated in Scythia, while the Curetes and Corybante are alternately described as hailing from Phrygia and the Caucasus (Colchis), respectively. The Caucasus is the gate between the Black and Caspian seas leading from the middle east into Scythia, through which the tribes of northern Isreal (such as Dan and Naphtali) probably migrated there. Further cementing the connection is the legend of the Calydonian boar hunt, and the references (via Artemis) connecting the Curetes (who hunted the boar) to Hyperborea and/or Scythia.

This idea fits perfectly with passages I found in two of John's chapters, one, incredibly, about the VIkings:

...the Calydonians important to the boar hunt, and whom I think were a part of the boar line, were also on the Argo ship to retrieve the [Golden] Fleece (from Colchis), which Fleece depicted the Phryxus peoples simply because it was he who rode to Colchis on the golden ram from which the fleece was taken and then granted to Aeetes. One could certainly envision a Calydon-Phryxus blood connection, supporting my discovery that the Phrygians were the boar peoples.
In reality, this code means that a migration of certain Phrygians to Colchis occurred... Since the ram was Hermes, we can also know that the Phryxus Phrygians were among those who named the Hermus river near the Lydian capital (Sardis). But who were they? The Halybes, said to have the alternative designation, "Khaldi," are suspect because I just realized that "Calydon" and "Khaldi" are near matches. This points to the Kabeiri/Kybele cult, the Cutha Hebrews, from Chaldee.

http://www.tribwatch.com/idun.htm

And the other from his "Calydonian Boar Hunt" chapter, which touches on the Caduceus, the staff enrapped by two snakes carried by Hermes (a symbol used today by the medical profession).

Before I quote that passage though, allow me point out who Cadmus (same derivation as Caduceus) was. He was a Phoenician prince (which is why Hermes - same derivation as Hermon - carries the Caduceus staff) who's sister, Europa is stolen by Zeus. Cadmus goes off to find her but fails, and instead winds up in Boeotia (where he will found Thebes) - and a nearby spring guarded by a dragon which kills his mates. Cadmus slays the dragon and, on the advice of the goddess Athena, plants its teeth in the ground. From these dragon's teeth grow the Spartans. Cadmus and his wife Harmonia later turn into dragons themselves. Can you ask for a clearer allegory than that!?? Europa represents Phoenicians that have left for parts north, Cadmus represents others who travelled to Greece, where the dragon bloodline is reborn.

And on we search ...

Update June 2006 -- I'm much "smarter" now to the illustrations set forth by the myth wizards. Knowing now that "Aphrodite" was code for "Abiru," and that Hermes was code for Armenia, I think the secret meaning of the two snakes (of the caduceus) is a Hebrew-Aryan mix. Only one of the two snakes was depicted as male, logically (I don't know which yet), and the idea of a man being able to turn into a woman (or vice versa) had to do with the utter fusing of the Hebrews with Aryans...

When he connects Hermes to the Armenians, remember that Armenia was once a much larger place. If the Kingdom of Phrygia were marked on this map below, it would be centered about where 'Anatolia' is marked in the left pink region (modern Turkey) and extend to the borders of Armenia during it's heyday. While not represented below, under Tigran the Great the Armenian kingdom in the 1st century BC extended all the way down to Tyre and Mount Hermon.

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This idea of the staff of Caducius being an allegory for a Hebrew-Aryan mix is remarkable, and I ascribe a lot of weight to what this man writes. But I'm not sure that the two snakes twisted around Herme's staff don't represent much more.

Attis, Cybele's consort, is mentioned in Zeitgeist for his connection to the Christ story - Attis, (unlike Horus) actually dies and is resurrected in the legend (albeit as a pine tree - an "ever-green"). If you spend any time looking over family crests, you will find this pine-tree from time to time, it sticks out like a sore thumb among the many dragons, unicorns, lions, boars and the like. I never knew what it meant - before now.

- On Attis and the Kybele cult:

...there are parallel and over-lapping forms of this cult, the name of the god, and certain details of the ritual, may differ in different countries but whether he hails from Babylon, Phrygia, or Phoenicia, whether he be called Tammuz, Attis, or Adonis, the main lines of the story are fixed, and invariable. Always he is young and beautiful, always the beloved of a great goddess; always he is the victim of a tragic and untimely death, a death which entails bitter loss and misfortune upon a mourning world, and which, for the salvation of that world, is followed by a resurrection. Death and Resurrection, mourning and rejoicing, present themselves in sharp anti-thesis in each and all of the forms.
We know the god best as Adonis, for it was under that name that, though not originally Greek he became known to the Greek world, was adopted by them with ardour, carried by them to Alexandria, where his feast assumed the character of a State solemnity; under that name his story has been enshrined in Art, and as Adonis he is loved and lamented to this day. The Adonis ritual may be held to be the classic form of the cult.
But in Rome, the centre of Western civilization, it was otherwise: there it was the Phrygian god who was in possession; the dominating position held by the cult of Attis and the Magna Mater [Kybele], and the profound influence exercised by that cult over better known, but subsequently introduced, forms of worship, have not, so far, been sufficiently realized.

...The orgiastic ritual of the priests of Kybele made at first little appeal to the more disciplined temperament of the Roman population. By degrees, however, it won its way, and by the reign of Claudius had become so popular that that emperor instituted public feasts in honour of Kybele and Attis...

http://www.celtic-twilight.com/camelot/wes...2r/fr2rch10.htm

The above article touches on the death/resurrection part of the story, but doesn't mention the "tragedy" that befell Attis.

Cybele drove him mad and he castrated himself.

So what'ya think the Cybele (Kabeiri) priests, sometimes called the "Galli", did to themselves? That's right, snip snip, and from there on wore women's clothes. When John writes in Laden Gog that "Sweet Merlin the magician was likely one of these slithering snakes", this is what he is talking about. These priests didn't, by the way, adopt a life of celebacy after gelding themselves. They um, er, well, adapted to their newly found sexuality.

And there's another word we get from Hermes/Hermon. Hermaphrodite!!! Remember the true meaning of the Seal of Solomon, the intertwined triangles? Union of good and evil, of male and female?

And finally we get to the cherry on top of the whipped cream on top of the cake. This is not my discovery, it is the anonomous John's, author of 'Laden Gog'. He writes that he was absolutely giddy when he uncovered this.

In order to ascribe the proper weight to his relevation, please remember the various loose ends I have been trying to tie together - The Phoenicians, merchant anscestors of the Greeks full of snakes and their paternal god Dagon and centered around Mt. Hermon and Baal worship; the Scythians, who's culture was possibly as old as the Sumerians with whom the Phoenicians traded, who produced the line of Mil who, after marrying an Egyptian princess produced sons in Spain that would conquer Scotland, and who lied in the line of migration between the Levant/Anatolia/Mesopotamia and Scandinavia (from where the Viking conquerors of medieval France and Britain would emerge); the Phrygian Curetes, who brought their Kybele cult to Greece (where they became the Calydonians) and finally emerged in Scotland as the Picts/Caledonians/Cruithne, arriving maybe by way of Scythia and Scandinavia or maybe, as their Scythian friends the Milesians, by way of Spain. I have been saying Spain, simply because I wondered if some readers might not quite follow me if I referred to the "Iberian peninsula", which is more correct. Of course the vast majority of the Iberian peninsula is in fact modern Spain, but the Portugese might not be so pleased to have been left out of my narrative, and maybe I was foolish not to do so. Where did the Templar Knights flee when Phillip IV started to arrest and burn them for heresy? To Scotland, and to PORTUGAL. (Where they knew they had friends.)

Finally, from John:

"I would like to share with you how fantastic the information in this chapter came to me on the evening of June 20th. I had "sort of" believed that Sheba and Dedan (grandsons of Abraham, Genesis 25) had much to do with both the Kabala and Scandinavian peoples, but when the information herein came to be, I realized how shallow was that belief until then. As it began to sink in, I went out to my porch; I looked up into the sky, and talked to God, "Are you showing this to me? Have you shown this to anyone else, or am I the first person ever to know? ...

Last evening, I was searching houseofnames.com for any evidence to support my case that the Kabeiri were Kabalists. I searched the "Cabeiro" surname first of all, and lo I was given a list of alternatives/septs including: Caballero, Caballe, Caballeria, Caballo, Cavallo, Cavallon, and more. I realize that these terms look like "cavallo," the Latin word for horse ("caballo" in Spanish), meaning that it may have nothing to do with the Kabala. I found it interesting, however, that the website's explanation on the family roots tells that the surnames listed are based on knight servitude. That of course evoked the Templars.[!!!]... "

He goes on, and you can read the details for yourself if you like, here in "Sheba Conquers Kybele" http://www.tribwatch.com/sheba.htm

But the jist of it is, the wild, drunken, drum beating cult of Cybele (Kybele), the self-castrating Galli priests, the child roasting Phoenicians and Amorites (the Amorites lived just east of Israel and Phoenicia - Molech who the Bohemian campers venerate in northern California every year is an Amorite god), the Templars, the Freemasons who the Templar order apparently evolved into, whose rites revolve around the Egyptian god Osiris, who's lost "penis" you can find in the obelisks decorating the City of London, Washington and the Vatican, the Kabbalists of Chaldea Carthage and Greece, (and the Cathars of southern France) were all one big happy family.

The male-female merging dual triangles also evoke 'order out of chaos' - which should give you a hint as to why these leaders of ours who don black robes to watch mock sacrifices at Bohemian Grove in August are so frikken dangerous. And why the banking Templars and Priory of Sion "keepers" and Christ-blood Merovingians, despite being portrayed in certain books and a certain Hollywood film as heroic and holy and nice, represent the link between the worst the Greek and biblical worlds had to offer, and our own elite.

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EDIT: Hey, I just had a burger at TGIF ... and looked at the establishment's name on the red-white striped menu and suddenly I had to laugh. I'll never be able to think of that phrase, "Thank God it's Friday" (Phry-day - let's party!!!) the same again. ;)