The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

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(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

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(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

Heracles might be a good jumping off point. The legends of Heracles, or Hercules, appear to closely resemble those of the biblical Samson, in fact I just did a search for "Samson" + "Hercules" and got almost four million hits. From one of them ...

That Samson and Heracles bear more than a superficial resemblance to each other has been recognized at least since the time of Eusebius. Nor have modern authors failed to notice the same...

...As Samson rent the lion with his bare hands, so too did Heracles overcome the Nemean lion without any weapons. As Samson was renowned for his shorning, so too was Heracles rendered bald as a result of his sojourn in the dragon's belly. As Samson was betrayed and ultimately destroyed by Delilah, so does Heracles announce in the Trachiniae that: "A woman, a female in no way like a man, she alone without even a sword has brought me down." As Samson bursts the bonds of his Philistine captors, so too does Heracles burst his shackles while in the service of the Pharaoh.

http://www.aeonjournal.com/articles/samson/samson.html

Both are closely associated with the lion, an important symbol adorning the crests of numerous families of nobility, including the crest of the UK and the royal crown itself. While Samson's father was from the Tribe of Dan of which he was considered a member, his mother was from the tribe of Judah, the symbol on who's banner was the Lion. Heracles was also born of a "mixed marraige" as it were, his father being Zeus and mother being a mortal woman. From "The Labors of Heracles:

"Heracles (or Hercules, as the Romans called him) was the son of a mortal woman named Alcmene and the supreme god Zeus. Zeus' lawful wife hated the child born out of wedlock, and sent two SNAKES to kill the baby. However, Hercules killed the snakes. Heracles became a strong warrior, but Hera struck him with madness, and he killed his own children...

When he had recovered, he consulted the oracle of Delphi, which ordered him to serve his relative Eurystheus, the king of Tiryns. [Sound a little like "Tyre"??] ...His first task was to kill the lion of nearby Nemea, a terrible animal. ...Heracles strangled it. From now on, he wore the lion's invulnerable pelt as armor."

One of the more important legends of Samson is also one that revolves around a lion that he killed (also with his bare hands), and the bees that infest the carcass. He falls in love with a Philistine woman, and poses a riddle to her countrymen, "Out of the eater, something to eat; out of the strong, something sweet." There was a lot of bloodshed over this riddle if I remember correctly, but the answer to the riddle was that the lion is slain and eaten, and bees infest the carcass and produce honey, "something sweet". (There's an entire book out there that someone wrote about this business of Samson, the lion and the honey.)

The bit about the bees immediately makes me think of the Merovingians. Childeric I of the Merovingian kings was buried with 300 small bees made of gold which were discovered in 1653 when his grave was dug up, Napoleon appropiated them and had them sewn into his robe. I just found this:

"The Merovingian kings were noted sorcerors in the manner of the Samaritan Magi, and they firmly believed in the hidden powers of the honeycomb. Because a honeycomb is naturally made up of hexagonal prisms, it was considered by philosophers to be the manifestation of divine harmony in nature."

Hexagon, hexagram, sheesh !

There is another way in which the symbol of the bee is significant - the bee society is a strictly structured heiarchy - the worker bees keep "busy as bees" making honey for their queen. That, and the "perfect" geometry of the hexagram shape result in the "bee" being a frequently reccuring theme with the Merovingians and other crests of nobility.

The connections between the Merovingians and Samson don't stop there either, Samson was said to derive his strength from his long hair, and the Merovingians were known as, what? The "long-haired monarchs". There was even a Samson I in the Merovingian line.

The Merovingians are often associated with the Templar knights, who emerged in France long after the Merovingian dynasty had ended. The Templars shared Kabbalistic traditions with the Cathars and Counts of Anjou, as far as I can tell. This possibly all got started, I mentioned, with Rabbi Makhir, Exhilar of Babylon allegedly of the Davidian line of kings who settled in Languedoc (Septemania) in the 8th century. The Merovingians also claimed Davidic descent, through Mary Magdelene, who, according to the legends repeated in "Holy Blood Holy Grail" fled from Palestine to the shores of southern France, Marseilles to be exact, right next to Lanquedoc. Rennes-le-Chateau, the church closely identified with the Magedelene heresy, the Priory of Sion and the preservation of the Merovingian line, is IN Languedoc.

But the Merovingians aren't from there. Eventually they would unite all of Gaul, but originally they were Salian Franks, who appeared on the scene in the 5th century on the French side of the Rhine in northern Gaul. Wikipedia says about the Salian Franks,

The Salian Franks or Salii were a subgroup of the early Franks who originally had been living ... in the northern Netherlands, where today there still is a region called Salland. The Merovingian kings, responsible for the conquest of Gaul were of Salian stock. From the 3rd century on the Salian Franks appear in the historical records as warlike Germanic people and pirates...

I have to break off onto a tangent. I keep reading about pirates! Sidon and Tyre, where the Phoenicians parked their ships, were infamous as being nests of pirates. The Vikings of course were essentially pirates. Penzance, of broadway musical "Pirates of Penzance" fame is a town at the tip of Cornwall, once known as Danmoni, or, the "mines of Dan", where the Tuatha De Danaan or the Tribe of Dan or the Danaus (if they aren't all connected) used to visit southwestern England to get tin to make their bronze with. The whole Mediterranean was rife with pirate activity throughout the Hellenic and Roman eras. Even the Templars were accused of pirating, indeed flouting the law was one of their fortes. Usury was illegal back then, but the Templars went ahead and charged interest on their banking transactions anyway, and got away with it due to the power they enjoyed.

The flag flown by pirates we all know so well is known as the Jolly Roger.

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Hard to look at that without recalling the Yale institution that has given us so many US presidents and Intelligence spooks, Skull and Bones.

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The Jolly Roger comes from Roger II of Sicily, the son of Adelaide and Roger I, count of Sicily. Below Roger I is decribed as a "Viking leader", indeed Wikipedia describes him as the "last great leader of the Norman conquest of southern Italy." This is circa 1055, merely ten years before William the Norman (Viking) would conquer England btw. Roger's wife, Adelaide, will go on to remarry, this time to Balwin I, king of Jeruselum. In other words, this (the legend of the Jolly Roger) is around the time of, and involves the very people associated with, the first Crusade and the creation of the Templar Knights.

Our friend John, talking about the formation of the Templars -

In 1112, the count of Champagne (France) had sent Hugh de Payen ("Pagan") to Jerusalem with a letter addressed to the (Merovingian?) king of Jerusalem, Baldwin I. Then, in Jerusalem itself, under the oversight of Baldwin, De Payen began to unite a small group of closely-related men in an unofficial formation of an order of Temple Knights...and the count of Champagne would himself be included in that organization.

The following year, Baldwin married the daughter (Adelaide) of a late Viking leader, Roger I (Guiscard's brother), under the condition that his son, Roger II, should become king of Jerusalem when and if Baldwin should die without a child..."

http://www.tribwatch.com/roslin.htm

(Note - I think John made a slight error here, I'm almost certain Adelaide was Roger I's first wife, not his daughter.)

Anyway, now that we know who the players are, the legend of the Jolly Roger goes like this:

"The origin of the Jolly Roger begins with the tale of Baldwin, as recounted by Walter Mapp, in the twelfth century AD ...

...According to the legend, this anonymous “Lord of Sidon” was in love with a “great lady of Maraclea [Marash in Cilician Armenia]”.[1] Baldwin married Arda of Armenia, from the Rubinian Royal House of Armenia.

...According to Walter Mapp, Baldwin’s wife would have died suddenly. On the night of her burial, he supposedly crept to her grave, dug up her body and violated it. Then a voice from beyond ordered him to return nine months later, when he would find a son. He returned at the appointed time, opened the grave again, and found a head on the leg bones of the skeleton: a skull and crossbones.

The same voice then apparently commanded him to “guard it well, for it would be the giver of all good things”, and so he carried it away with him. It became his protecting genius, and he was able to defeat his enemies by merely showing them the magic head. In due course, it passed to the possession of the order.

...In 1113, Baldwin then married Adelaide del Vasto. Under the marriage agreement, if Baldwin and Adelaide had no children, the heir to the kingdom of Jerusalem would be Roger II of Sicily, Adelaide’s son by her first husband Roger I Guiscard. This Roger was to become the “Jolly Roger” of history, having flown the skull and crossbones on his ships.[4]"

http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/wars_of_roses.html

I have read that Roger II was himself a Templar Knight, but I am doubtful. Nonetheless, he was certainly "in the family". In trying to sort out these family connections, I ran across this description of Roger II's uncle, Robert Guiscard, one of the first crusaders, attributed to Anna Comnena the daughter of Alexius I (Alexius was the Byzantine Emperor who's troubles provided the impetus for the 1st crusade):

"This Robert was Norman by descent, ... in temper tyrannical, in mind most cunning, brave in action, very clever in attacking the wealth and substance of magnates, most obstinate in achievement, for he did not allow any obstacle to prevent his executing his desire. His stature was so lofty that he surpassed even the tallest, his complexion was ruddy, his hair flaxen, his shoulders were broad, his eyes all but emitted sparks of fire, and in frame he was well-built ... this man's cry it is said to have put thousands to flight. Thus equipped by fortune, physique and character, he was naturally indomitable, and subordinate to no one in the world."


So, how shall I neatly tie up this web of Templars, Skulls, Bones, Vikings and Scottish roots that I've spewed so haphazardly?

I don't like picking on Scotland, I hear it's nice and I've never met a Scot I didn't like, and the English Plantagenets et al that the Bruces and other Scots fought bravely against were a far more oppressive lot and even more tied into the dragon blood-line ... still, given the area's connection to ancient Greece and Scythia, to Egypt, and to the Templars and families like the Sinclairs, I think it holds special relevance.

Allow me to quote John of 'Laden Gog' one more time -

A common line explaining the flag's origin is that clouds in the sky formed an X-shape during a certain battle, wherefore, we are to believe, someone recognized it as the Apostle Andrew's cross upon which he was killed. That sounds like a load of potatoes to me, to disguise the reality.

If indeed the Rosicrucian cross represented the crossed bones of the pirate flag, then the rose that Rosicrucians place at the center of their cross could represent the skull of the pirate flag...where the skull represents their hidden/occult mysteries. Note that "school" is similar to "skull" and that Rosicrucians called themselves the "Invisible College" prior to usurping most of our schools. Even the Skull and Bones society in the United States is based at Yale. Note also that in colleges to this day there are "degrees," evoking the degrees of Freemasonry. And the odd black hat with the flat, square top that proud faces wear on graduation day represents a mortar board i.e. the mortar board used by stone masons. America is much controlled by this cult.

While the modern cross of Rosicrucians is not like the Scottish Cross in the form of a X -- called a "saltire" -- but is instead upright like the cross of Christ, the early Rosicrucian cross was a saltire, as you can see from the 16th-century Andreae Family Crest (Johan Andreae was a leading Rosicrucian).

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And from the same chapter (order reversed),

From 1307, when the Templars in France were being chased out of the country by a major persecution, many took shelter in Scotland under the wings of the Roslin Sinclairs...and the Scottish king, Robert I de Bruce, welcomed the knights with open arms. The first Grand Master of Masonry in Scotland was (another) William Sinclair of Roslin Castle. His descendant, another William Sinclair yet, laid (in 1446) the foundations of the esoteric cathedral, Rosslyn Chapel (on the same hill as Roslin Castle). This cathedral, every square inch of which is laced with carvings, was built in French style, suggesting that it was indeed built by the French Templars who had escaped to Scotland.

One particular design on the walls of the Rosslyn Chapel matches perfectly with Freemasonry's first-degree ceremony, still practiced today, in which a blindfolded initiate stands between two pillars of Solomon's Temple with a noose dangling from neck, placed there by a Templar (see website above). This carving is what so concretely ties the Roslin Templars with the Freemasons of later years!

...The skull-and-crossbone symbol used by the Templars, also found in the Chapel, is said to represent the bones of Mary Magdalene...whom the Templars actually possessed and worshipped, or so we are to believe. But the facts that we know are these: 1) the skull-and-crossbone symbol was a pirate-flag symbol; 2) the Rus Vikings were pirates while pagans, especially between 800-1050; 3) the Templars reverted to piracy on the high seas after losing Jerusalem for good; 4) the crossbones form an X-shape, even as does the Scottish flag.

I suspect the Scottish flag to be the old pirate flag in disguise, but without the skull. In fact, the Scottish flag, called "Andrew's Cross," dates back to the 12th century, just one century after the first Templars.

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This is the family crest of Isaac Newton, who was an Englishman of alleged noble birth and a leading Rosicrucian, and it's Saltire cross of bones -

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Personally, this stuff just floors me.

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I'll try to stay more on topic next post - and continue with talk of the Merovingian kings.

(P.S., thank you Laden-Gog "John", if you stumble onto this, I hope you don't mind my quoting you so often - you just seem to always have the answers to my questions. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) )