The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

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(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

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(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

9/11 was, for me, a window into what some people like to refer to as the "rabbit hole". The most dissapointing part of this journey was, as it is for everyone I'm sure, at the beginning, when we first realize we've all been lied to all of our lives, that "history" as we were taught was little more than a fairy tale, that the true nature of the world has been hidden from us from the get-go. Therein my (unending lol) search for what was real and what was B.S. began.

First, I learned that the salesmen of the Iraq war (the Neoconservatives), who most likely were involved in the planning of 9/11, had been planning their "war on terror" for a good decade before Bush was elected president, the policy making posts of whos administration they quickly filled after he was "elected".

Then I learned about the Federal Reserve and the bankers who schemed to appropriate the US economy and political system a full century ago. But even the discovery of this and the myriad of ways that these banking and industrialist families have been able to sink their claws into America (the Council on Foreign Relations, the CIA, control of the mainstream media, etc.) and the world at large left many questions unanswered in my mind, and clues kept taking me farther and farther back into history.

I thought maybe I had touched the bottom of the rabbit hole when the trail led to the world's first bankers, the Templar knights of a thousand years ago, especially when I learned that their ancestral home in London, the Crown Temple Church, evolved into an institution (embodied in many buildings in or on the outskirts of the 'City of London') which currently houses the International Bar Association. The original Templar church is but a short walk from the Bank of England, and I realized that the world's banking and legal institutions evolved over the last millenium hand in hand ... but the questions kept coming - for example, the power of the Crown was handed over to the pope right around the time the Templars were getting established, yet it is universally said that the power of the Crown resides in The City (of London) ... how? Why? Just because the Templars were the pope's militia??? That didn't make any sense (and to this day I have yet to figure that little mystery out). Anyway, the various questions I had weren't answered by the things I learned about the Templars, in fact my questions became more numerous, nothing made sense.

Soon I was in Biblical territory looking for the keys that would make all of the puzzle pieces fit, when I stumbled on to the theory that the Hebrews of Israel and the Hyksos kings of Egypt were of the same stock, indeed, there is a documentary out there called "Ring of Power" that proposes that the "Exodus" of the Bible and the expulsion of the Hyksos from Egypt were one and the same event. ... But still the questions kept coming faster than the answers.

How far do we have to go back to really understand the people who would perpetrate something as audacious as 9/11 in order to start a pseudo-religious war in ancient Mesopotamia, in order to ring in their vision of one world government?

I can't say for sure, nor can anyone not truly on the inside and in the know ... but many clues I've run across in my search point to Mesopotamia 5000 years ago being the source.

Here is an interesting article that places the fixing of the original 48 constellations at a latitude consistent with Sumer (and too high to be Egypt, too low to be Greece), and at a time around 2700 - 2900 BC.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/constellations_date.html

There is a circle of about 36° radius in the southern part of the sky which does not contain any of the original 48 constellations. That implies that the originators of the constellations lived at about 36° north latitude because at that location, exactly such an area of southern sky would be invisible to them. Moreover, the center of that circle moves very slowly through the sky because of the motion of the earth's axis. The location of the center of the empty part of the sky implies an origin date of about 2900 B.C.

...Many of the constellations are tipped at an angle to the natural directions of north, east, south and west. If one asks if there was a time and place when they would have all been much aligned vertically and horizontally, the answer is, about 2900 B.C.

...Using statistical methods, it has been found that Aratus was describing the stars at a latitude of about 36° (within about 2°) at about 2600 B.C. (within 800 years).

Latitude 36° is too far north for Egypt, and too far south for the Greeks, but perfect on both counts for Sumeria

I promised, perhaps foolishly, that the crux of this topic would not be religion. However, I think a good place to start might be the Megen David, or Seal of Solomon, an ancient pagan symbol. This connects squarely with Freemasonry, as we shall see. It should be noted that the 6-pointed star has only been used exclusively as a symbol of Judeaism for a little over a century. It has been a staple of Mason symbology however for much longer, and it's no coincidence that the ritual of the 3rd degree of Masonry is based on the story of Hiram Abiff, the Master Architect of Solomon's temple.

Here you find the Seal of Solomon adorning the Grand Lodge of Denmark
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Theosophical Society Lodge
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Rennes-le-Chateau in France
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Notice the snake which forms a ring around the Symbol of Solomon on the Theosophical Society Lodge logo. In addition to the significance of the serpent, which will become more and more apparent, the fact that it is eating its tail signifies the endlessness of time, and can be traced back to at least ancient Egyptian symbology. Also notice that the two triangles are interconnected, the Symbol of Solomon is commonly represented this way in Freemasonry (for a significant reason).

Here's a little page about the Rennes-le-Chateau.
http://altreligion.about.com/library/bl_rennes.htm

You can see that this castle is connected with the Templar knights and was dedicated to Mary Magdalene in the 11th century. Before moving along here's a geneology chart. Solid red lines indicate direct descendent (daughter or son), dotted red lines indicate direct descendency over more than one generation. Circles indicate marriages.

http://urokomovie.com/genealogy/frankgenealogy.gif

Toward the right halfway down you'll find a guy, Theoderic IV, or Rabbi Makhir, Exilarch of Babylon. Which of these people married Aldana, the daughter of Charles Martel, or if Rabbi Makhir took the Frankish name of Theoderic and the two are one and the same person is disputed - and quite controversial.

"The Kalonymus of Narbonne
In 787, Charlemagne sought to buttress his southerly defences against Islam with a buffer-state He wished them to be independent of the Rabbinical influences of Islamic Spain, so he applied to the Caliph of Baghdad for a leader qualified to command their loyalty. The Caliph sent him Makhir."
http://www.shealtiel.com/shealtiel/_pdfs/briefhistory.pdf

If you look at who the children of this controversial person were and how their blood fed into the major houses of France, you will understand why it is so controversial if Theoderic was really Makhir - for Makhir was supposed to be descended from King David of the Israelite line of kings.

The area Rabbi Makhir ruled was called Septemania (also known as Languedoc), on the French Mediterranean coast, and his descendents and followers, known as the Cathars, came to be numerous in nearby Toulouse and Aquitaine. About a third of the way down this page you can read about the Cathars ... quite the pagans.
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/holy_grail.html

I don't know how big a grain of salt to take that descrïption of them, but the association of the Troubadors of Aquitaine with "courtly love" is legendary, and the crusader William IX "the Troubador" was one of the Dukes of Aquitaine show above.

But let's get back to the Magen David.

I mentioned that it's use a symbol of Judeaism is fairly recent. I've found some spotty instances of Jewish use of the symbol during the middle ages, but the Star of David didn't gain acceptance as a specifically Jewish symbol until the late 19th century, correlating with it's adoption by the Zionist Congress in 1897 (from what I've been able to dig up).

One place however that the Magen David or Seal of Solomon was used which predates any wide use in association with Judeaism (apart from its use by Solomon of course), is on the Great Seal of the United States. We are all familiar with the all-seeing-eye on the reverse side of the seal, on the obvserse side above the eagle is a "glory" of stars arranged in a hexagram.

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If anyone has any doubt that this is the Seal of Solomon or not, before 1841 the stars in the glory were all 6-pointed stars as you can see.

(IMG:http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2198/originalsealmn7.jpg)

Why is this included in the Great Seal? I don't really know why the founders included it ... except to say that Franklin (who was a Mason) and Jefferson, both of whom were on the first committee to design the Great Seal, both suggested designs for the reverse side of the seal that depicted the Israelite's exodus from Egypt, ostensibly to signify triumph over tyranny.

There are a number of theories of the meaning behind the hexagram or Megen David, one being: "that during the Bar Kochba rebellion (1st century), a new technology was developed for shields, which used the inherent stability of the triangle. Behind the shield were two interlocking triangles, forming a hexagonal pattern of support points. " Or, "the Star of David comprises two of the three letters in the name David. In its Hebrew spelling, it contains only three characters, two of which are "D" (or "Dalet", in Hebrew). In ancient times, this letter was written in a form much like a triangle, similar to the Greek letter Delta ...The symbol may have been a simple family crest formed by flipping and juxtaposing the two most prominent letters in the name."

There is another interpretation, one relevant to this story, that the two superimposed triangles represent, depending on what you read, good and evil, male and female, spiritual vs. physical, fire and water, and in all cases the superimposition of opposites. This is the interpretation that is relevant to our purposes IMO, and this is why in Masonry the two triangles are interweaved. Good and evil, male and female or like dichotemy, combined into one entity. This, by the way, is the pagan interpretation (if you hadn't guessed).

Before the emergence of monotheistic religions, the way I understand it, paganistic beliefs generally revolved around male and female entities, or, physical and spiritual counterparts, or, a god of the heavens/weather etc. along with a counterpart goddess of the earth/vegetation etc.

Some of their names:

"Father/heaven" ---------"Mother/earth"
Anu --------------------------- Ki
Uranus ----------------------- Gaia
Enlil -------------------------- Ea / Enki
Ba'al --------------------------Asherah
El Shaddai------------------- Adon
Arhiman -------------------- Mazda
Osiris ------------------------ Isis

I'm no expert on a lot of this this stuff, so if I stumble or mis-state I hope someone will correct me. But this early pagan belief system is most certainly rooted in ancient Sumer (Mesopotamia). This is located BTW in modern day Iraq between and around the Euphrates and the Tigris rivers near where they empty out into the Persian Gulf. Later in history this area came to be called Chaldea, where Kabbalah followers were prevalent. Kabbalah: (I just copied this from a dictionary) - "A body of mystical teachings... often based on an esoteric interpretation of the Hebrew scrïptures. A secret doctrine resembling these teachings." You may have noticed that Kabbala was mentioned in that descrïption of the Cathars I linked to. Chaldea, Egypt and Greece are usually cited as the centers of Kabbalah teaching, I agree with the view that Chaldea was the source. (The Persians were said to have found the Chaldeans "versed in all forms of incantation, sorcery, witchcraft, and the magical arts." Madonna is (and Britney Spears was up until a year ago) on a Kabbalah kick btw.

This "mystery school", or Gnostic teachings associated with Kabbalah is also tied to the traditions of Catharism. The Templars were apparently Cathars while the Merovingian Kings who united France before them were probably pagans even after the conversion of Clovis I ... although the Templars and Merovingians hid their pagan tendencies and maintained tentative alliances with the Catholic Church. The Merovingians were replaced by the Carolingians eventually, who enjoyed the full support of Rome, although Merovingian blood probably continued into that line through Charles Martel's son Pepin's wife Bertrada De Leon. The Templars were eventually expunged, their leaders burned at the stake in the 14th Century, like the Cathars before them. The survivors fled and took refuge in Portugal, Spain, Scotland and probably Switzerland. From Portugal and Spain they proceeded to explore the globe as the Knights of Christ and other orders, in Scotland they stayed underground until the 17th century when, once the Catholic Church had lost all authority in the British Isles, began to come out of the closet under the guise of Freemasonry. (In the meantime they and their Dutch cousins had established the British and Dutch East India Companies - picking up where their Portugese and Spanish bretheren left off before they too were purged from those countries during the Spanish Inquisition!!???? ... food for thought.)

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EDIT: In this and the previous post, I claim or imply that western dominating civilization (as we know it) got started in Sumer and fanned out from there. This is what historians tell us, and that well may be the case, but in writing the following posts I have run across some things that have led me to the conclusion that this didn't happen in a vaccuum, that Sumer and the other centers of develpment (Egypt, Indus Valley, Scythia, etc.) had been in existence and in contact with one another far longer than we are led to believe.
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[The Sumerian priest-kings were descended from the Ubaid, who had had a long established kingdom centered in the Carpathian basin. Archeologists have uncovered finds in modern Romania, which include cuniform tablets on which, it seems, are written proto-Sumerian texts pre-dating the earliest Sumerian cuniform stones. Also, burial sites uncovered all over Asia are starting to provide a solid basis for the idea that Sumer, until recently thought to be the birth of civilization, was just where refugees from the Ubaid kingdom of what would be known as Scythia, relocated after, possibly, a Black Sea flood. We read about the "Royal Scythians" - but don't know quite what to make of them, as they weren't mentioned much in the history of the world we were taught. However they, these 'Ubaid' (proto-Royal-Scythians), apparently preceded the "birth of civilization" in Sumer, and archeological finds more and more support this.]

[dMz]

Notice the snake which forms a ring around the Symbol of Solomon on the Theosophical Society Lodge logo. In addition to the significance of the serpent, which will become more and more apparent, the fact that it is eating its tail signifies the endlessness of time, and can be traced back to at least ancient Egyptian symbology. Also notice that the two triangles are interconnected, the Symbol of Solomon is commonly represented this way in Freemasonry (for a significant reason).

That serpent symbol is called an ouroboros. [Be sure to check those first 2 historical bits.] Here's a little more strangely familiar info on him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

The hexagram also ties in with that black/white, sun/moon dualism inherent in some form in most occult groups (and Hegelianism) and nearly all things masonic (and possibly Taoism as well but it won't be easy to find many connections there).

Have we come "full circle" yet? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)