The Dragon Blood-line
Jun 24 2008, 12:38 PM
Joined: 13-September 06
Member No.: 49
I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.
The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".
If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]
Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.
It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.
Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)
Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.
I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.
One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".
But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.
CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.
...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!
...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.
WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.
But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.
I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.
More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.
For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.
(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)
But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.
(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)
(12 + 1 = 13)
Aug 19 2008, 06:40 PM
Joined: 13-September 06
Member No.: 49
(Continued from above)
John remarks that the first part of the name Ladislaus, "Ladis", most likely connects to Leta, the mother of Apollo, and by extension the Ladon dragon, the namesake of his book. In Greek mythology the Ladon dragon guarded a grove of golden apples (evoking the biblical serpent of Eden) which was slain by Herakles. Ladon is also a river in southern Italy, near a place called Laus on the western coast, and there you have the "laus" part of Ladis-laus. The phrase "Laus Deo", if you were aware, is written at the top of the Washington Monument where no one can see it. Some folks will tell you this means "Praise be to God" in Latin, but don't believe it for a second. This giant penis symbol in the middle of the US capital was built by Freemasons.
Wikipedia gives an explanation of Ladislaus which is a little different but is certainly compatible, whereby
"Ladislav ... is comprised of the name of the ancient Slavic goddess of love Lada and the Slavic word slava (worship, glory). The name means He who worships Lada or He who glorifies Lada and has pagan roots."
This Bartholemew Ladislaus, who accompanied Margaret to Scotland and in fact married Malcom III king of Scotland's sister Beatrix, is sometimes referred to as Bartholemew Ladislaus Leslie, and is in fact considered the patriarch of the entire Scottish Leslie clan. A little about the Leslie clan,
Bartholomew's son Malcolm was knighted by King David and had the Leslie lands confirmed to him by royal charter, the oldest personal land charter in Aberdeenshire ...The original line died out with Andrew's grandson David, but son Walter became the Earl of Ross, son John the progenitor of the Earls of Rothes, and son George the first Baron of Balquhain.
The third line, Leslie-Rothes, became the senior line with George who was created the first Earl of Rothes around 1457. George, 4th Earl of Rothes, had a significant diplomatic role in the reign of James V; Andrew, 5th Earl, was of importance to Mary, Queen of Scots and King James VI; John, 6th Earl, was a leader of the Scottish opposition to King Charles I ...the Leslies of Balquhain, became the largest and most prolific. ...From Andrew were descended a host of families, among them the Earls of Leven, Lords Newark, the Leslies of Pitcaple, Kininvie, Iden and Cults; in Ireland the Leslies of Kincraigie, Glaslough and Tarbert; the Lords Leslie in Russia, Counts Leslie in France and in the Holy Roman Empire. From these and other branches, many Leslies descended, who spread from Scotland all over the world...
(Note the titles, "Earls of Ross", "Earls of Rothes".)
The other royal Hungarians in Margaret's entourage, George, king Andrew's son, and George's son Maurice, are the patriarchs of the entire Drummond clan in Scotland. Here's one of the Drummond estates.
There is a fair amount of Drummond blood in the royal Stewart family (most conspicuously from Annabella Drummond, the mother of James I Stewart king of England), but the Drummond name has also long been prominent in the British banking industry.
Turns out two partners in (of?) the Drummond firm were in charge of doling out money from the English treasury during the American Revolution to pay for Hessian troops, money that ultimately went into the coffers of Mayer Rothschild and helped finance his family's banking empire. This may have been no coincidence. I don't know if you're like me or not or have been wondering for ages how and why the Rothschilds so easily became the private bankers to the royal houses of Europe, but herein may lie part of the answer.
I have to tell you, for some time I did not realise that king Andrew's son, George, accompanied Margaret to England. This bit of information is a rare gem, and we would never have known had John not dug it up for us (below quote found in the above link):
"...(illegitimate) Gy嗷gy [George], who, according to Europaeische Stammtafeln, went to Scotland in 1055 and became ancestor of the Drummond family. E.S. cites a 1959 work published in Warsaw as the source for this. I know that it has long been asserted that the Drummond family was founded by a Hungarian [Maurice] who returned to Britain with Edward Atheling, so this may be true" (http://genealogy.euweb.cz/arpad/arpad1.html")
Why do we care about this king Andrew, much less his son George? All you need do is take a good look at the British flag, a union of the Scottish saltire Cross of St. Andrew and the Templar red Cross of St. George.
(Note: the above flag is the original Union Jack)
Could it be? Both symbols were adopted after Margaret and her Hungarian entourage arrived in Britain, a good hundred years or so after in fact, in both cases. The two were joined into the Union Jack under James I Stewart of England, who was also James VI of Scotland, under whom the two kingdoms were joined. This James was both a direct descendent of Margaret and the Drummond clan, both lines attributable to George and Andrew. Add to that that the spread of Rosicrucianism in Bohemia in the early 17th century has been pegged to the marraige between James' daughter Elizabeth (the Queen of Hearts) and Frederick V, Elector Palatine...
His marriage in 1613 to Elizabeth, the daughter of James I of England, had been seen as a great strengthening of the Protestant cause in Europe....The supporters of the Bohemian project, as manifested in the literature of those years that purported to issue from an ancient but theretofore secret order of the ﾒRosy Cross,ﾓ also seem to have hoped that... the connection between that ancient federation and the Church of Rome would be broken, and the empire would become the instrument ... of "a general reformation of the whole wide world."
As it happened, few enterprises have ever turned out quite so badly...
What of the other Saint George, the one who slew the dragon? What of the biblical Saint Andrew, the disciple of John the Baptist and Jesus who formed clouds into the shape of a big X (saltire cross) in the sky above king Ungus while he fought the English? I have a hunch that the legends behind these two crosses were adopted to create cover stories, to disquise the truth while simultaneously waving it in our face, as these myths and legends so often do. But let's take a closer look.
Obviously the Andrew described in the bible predates this period by a thousand years, but Wikipedia states that he didn't come to be the patron saint of Scotland until the 10th century - predating the arrival of Margaret, but not by much. The legend of Saint George on the other hand was apparently brought back to England by the first crusaders, the earliest known written account of dragon-slaying George being an 11th century Georgian text. (Georgia!!???)
As for the red Cross of St. George, it was adopted initially by the Templars and later by England and the City of London in 1190 (more than a century after Margaret and her entourage landed in England). Wikipedia states that the Red Cross was first used on the flag of Genoa, which begs the question, where did they get it ? And why does it turn up in Genoa??? Genoa, as it turns out, is a province in the region of Liguria, and therein lies the answer to the riddle.
You may have noticed a slew of "L" terms. Liguria, Ladislaus, Leslie, Ladon, Leta, Laus, and don't forget the Lugii (both in Poland and Scotland), and Lydia. I was looking at a map recently and discovered that Mt. Ida, the center of Cybele worship I discussed earlier in this thread, is farther west than I had imagined ... it's practically in Lydia. Which is why my eyes almost popped out when I read that according to records in the British Library, St. George's mum (I'm talking about the early medieval dragon-slaying George's mother) was from a place in the Levant (Holy Land) called Lydda !!!! I haven't mentioned the Lusignans yet, a prominent crusader family of France, and there are yet other conspicuous "L" terms that follow the dragon around. There is more in common though between these places & peoples than just a first letter "L". [EDIT - need I mention 'Lilith'? Or, "Lullabye" (Lilith be gone)?]
The Stewart clan below with a crest containing blue and white checks is of course significant because the Stewarts decended from the royal Scottish line of Malcom III and Margaret mixed with the Drummonds. A connection to the Cohens might not be evident at first, but the family of Cohen is said to be that of the priest tribe of Levi (which may or may not be relevant) but more significantly, the name Cohen derives from Kagan, which meant king in Khazaria. Interestingly, the Kagan rulers of Khazaria also fulfilled a priestly role. Also note that while all of these other crests bear blue and white (silver) checks or bars, the Stewart line mixes blue and gold. In these heraldic comparisons (other factors being equal), gold generally signifies dominance over silver.
Ladon-Gog author John traces the blue and white bars and checks ultimately back to a royal princess of Byzantium named Melissena, and on back from there to Michael I Rangabe, a Holy Emperor of Byzantium of the 9th century. I mention this because if you follow my tree (look for the blue and white shield toward the top-right) from Rangabe, you see a marraige between Anna of Byzantium and Vladimir of Kiev. From here the line splits, to Anastasia and the whole Drummond clan through Yaroslav, and to the French Brusses through his sister Arlogia Vladimirova. This Brusse line merges with the Sinclair line (!), and then with the royal line of Malcom and Margaret ... that's when the Brusses become Scottish Brus, and we find yet another "Sinclair" I assume (Isabel de Clare), after which they become the Bruces everyone is familiar with (i.e. Robert the Bruce). The crest of the Scottish Bruces retain only a blue lion, but you can see above that the Brusses of France that preceded them used blue and white like crazy (with lions and some fleur-de-lis thrown in as well).
Two last little things. Does this, depicting the flag of the Arms of the Rangabe family, the anscestors of Melissena who I just mentioned, not remind you of the Templar Cross of Jeruslalem/flag of Georgia, but in a blue and white theme!???
If you scroll up and look above and behind the head of Queen Margaret in the stained-glass window image shown in the previous post, you will see a very similar white cross on a blue background.
Lastly, Melissena is most certainly depicted in the medieval legend of Melusine, a half sea-serpent mermaid ...
"Melusine de VER has also been known as Melusina, Melouziana de Scythes, Maelasanu, and The Dragon Princess. She entered literary history in the book Roman de Melusine written in 1393 by Jean d'Arras. The story is a mix of fiction and fact, commissioned by the Duke de Berry, a French noble who was brother to King Charles V, and uncle of King Charles VI. It was meant to be a family history and to uphold the proprietary claims to Lusignan and Anjou. In this story Melusine's mother was a Presine fairy who charmed Elinas, the king of Scotland. The result was their daughter Melusine. Half fairy and half princess, Melusine wandered over to the Continent and eventually met up with Rainfroi/Raymond in the forests Anjou. They met while he was out boar hunting. Overcome with her beauty, he took her hand in marriage, and many adventures ensued. As a result of this book, Melusine was subsequently featured in medieval tales across Europe, variously depicted as a mermaid, a water sprite, a fairy queen, a fairy princess, a dragon princess, and a forest nymph. She came to represent any magial creature who marries a mortal man. Most royal houses in Europe have claimed lineage to the real Melusine, so she has been the subject of great speculation. Legends about Melusine and Rainfroi (or Raymond) also often have a connection to boars and boar hunting."
Half sea-serpent Melusine bumps into Raymond de Vere while he's BOAR hunting in the forests of Anjou and he marries her. And then you have that blue de Vere boar (and that green de Vere dragon). Unbelievable.
P.S., here's a link to the homepage of a luxury hotel overlooking the Danube in Budapest called the Saint George Residence
And here's George himself slaying the dragon and bearing the red Templar cross on his shield. (Jpeg swiped from the above Hotel website. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )
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