The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Here in Japan, people count things in 10's, it's an overwhelmingly metric country. Makes sense, we all have 10 fingers to count with. In the States, or in Britain I would assume, you buy a dozen donuts. 12 hours on the clock. 12 months in a year, 12 inches in a foot.

It would never have dawned on me that this was out of the ordinary, were I not living in Japan where nothing is counted by 12's. The number 13 crops up sometimes as well, actually there are 13 lunar cycles in a year. 13 original colonies, 13 stripes on the flag, 13 rows of bricks on the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 13 arrows in the Eagle's clutches (all obstensibly derived from the number of original colonies, but was it really all coincidence?). Also, there are 12 member banks in the Federal Reserve system, 12 stars on the EU flag. 12, or 13, depending on how you count, tribes of Israel. Jesus had 12 disciples. 4 suits in a deck of cards (the seasons?), each with 13 cards, bringing the deck total to 52 (52 weeks in a year??). And, apparently, there are 13 ruling families in the Illuminati, or 12 or 13 "Illuminati" heads.

Or what I don't know, but having listened to a radio interview given by George Szymanski with a woman who apparently has escaped from the Illuminati cult who calls herself "Svali", I'm all ears. Szymanski claims to have also talked to another woman in Italy 25 years ago who also escaped from the same cult, from whom he says he heard similar stories. That woman later committed suicide, succesfully on the third attempt. (Illuminati members, according to info posted by "Svali" on another website, are meticulously programmed from infancy, and committing suicide if they ever try to leave the "family" is one of the things that are imprinted onto their psyche.)

Here is a link to a site where you can get some brief info about who Svali is, and a link to her interview with George Szymanski.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/svali.html

I was always skeptical of this talk of the "Illuminati". Even Svali seems to prefer to refer to the orginization as the "family" or by other terms. There's just so much crap on the web, I'm just immediately turned off by these green-text over black-background websites covered with skulls and references to Satan in every paragraph.

One of the things that trips people up though, I think, is the word "Lucifer". Even Svali states in her interview with Szymanski that "Luciferianism" and Satanic worship are entirely different - I'm adding in my own commentary here, but Lucifer is another name for the planet Venus - the morning star, or harbinger of the coming sunrise ... hence the connection to "Illumination".

But hey, far be it for me to want to moderate on behalf of the people who are trying to rule the world and extinguish the spirit of Liberty in America, and around the world for that matter. These are evil people ... but only from the viewpoint of those of us who think of good and evil in accepted, normal terms.

CIA posted this in a thread in the lobby about the Vatican, and I'm finally going to respond with what I will post here subsequently over the coming days or weeks.

...i try and get my head around this stuff as best i can!... but there is something that bugs me that i cant ... or dont know how to... explain!


...Isreal, Gods chosen people etc etc!.... is a kind of decoy!?... its focusing our attention away from Egypt!?... Egypt is the key to unlock our questions!.... probably think i`m nuts or thick!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

One repeatedly reads (if they delve into this long enough) about these Illuminatti or British and European royalty claiming Mesopotamian roots. Then you have the first written texts of antiquity, cuneiform, which were found in Mesopotamia. There are step pyramids (Ziggurats actually) all around modern Iraq and Iran - even a famous one in Ur (Mesopotamia, or more correctly, Sumer, the birthplace of Abraham). Shall I say it .... civilization eminated from Sumer - it didn't just spring up in Egypt and the Indus Valley after that coincidentally, what would be the chances of that? So it's no surprise that pagan traditions and beliefs in far flung places would be similar.

WTF am I talking about!?? I wish I could shell it out in one post ... but it's too deep, there is just too much information.

But to elicit some interest, there are 12 constellations - through which the sun moves about, as per the theory forwarded in the Zeitgeist movie. Yes, sun worship is a big part of all this pagan stuff. But there is another way of looking at it I think, there is Draco, the dragon, I like to think of it as the 13th constellation, smack dab in the middle of these other 12 constellations, at true theoretical north (i.e. directly north if you correct for the earth's slow wobble). I will attempt to show that this identity of the dragon was adopted by the elite of early western civilization, which emenated from Sumer (identified also as Mesopotamia, Chaldea), and that these people, possessing superior ship-building, weapon-making, architectural and organizational expertise, were able to conquer indiginous peoples just about wherever they went. They left their mark from Egypt to Greece to France to Scandinavia to Britain to China ... And, if we try, we can trace their steps practically to the White House.

I decided not to post this in the religion section - because this has very little to do with religion actually ... at least not monotheistic religion. And since I seriously doubt there are too many hard-core pagans out there reading who I might offend, I'm just gonna stick this in 'research'.

More to come. For now, the stars. The pink circle in the image at the bottom of this post is the course the earth's axis traces as it wobbles - each precession from zodiacal age to age takes 2150 years, so for the earth to complete this wobble and come back to the same axial place takes a little over 25 thousand years. At the moment the north star is Polaris, but a few thousand years ago it was Thuban ...as the earth slowly "wobbles" the current north-star changes.

For anyone who has seen Zeitgeist, it should be plain that the ancient Egyptians understood this wobble of the earth's axis, and the precession of the ages. We are now in the age of Pieces, have been since around the time of Christ, and will be until 2150. That's why born-agains stick a fish on the back of their cars (without knowing why), it's why the pope's mitre looks like a fish's head when you look at it from the side.

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(This is covered more or less in Zeitgeist.)

But what is amazing is that people thousands of years ago had a handle on this slow wobble of the earth's axis, the precession through the constellations as it were, and knew where true north was ... that is, north if you correct for this wobble, and that they saw a dragon there and identified themselves with it.

(While I've removed many stars and constellations for clarity, the relative positions of the stars below are correct and un-altered.)

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(12 + 1 = 13)

[Sanders]

...He pointed out that the man who commissioned the monument was named R C Christian - Rosicrucian.

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Well, Rosicrucianism was allegedly founded in the 14th century by a guy named Christian Rosenkranz. But these are just made-up names. They do this to hide the truth while flaunting it in our face. Regarding my above double-post about princess Margaret, why did they honor the Hungarians Andrew and George by naming the crosses of Scotland and England after them, then cover it up by attaching the made-up stories of St. George and St. Andrew? If they didn't want us to know that the kings and queens of Scotland & England were connected (through Hungary) to the Magyars, Kabars and Varangian Rus of the East, then why didn't they just keep it quiet, why did they "advertise it" on the flags of the two countries? Because they can't help themselves!

I posted in a different thread about the Georgian flag/Templar Cross of Jerusalem, and spoke about the pagan origins of the use of 4 small crosses in the quadrants between the arms of a larger (superior) cross. This is a perfect example of a pagan concept being passed off under the auspices of a supposedly Christian symbol. Heck, they might as well have just put the four playing card suits in there, those evolved from the four treasures of the the Tuatha de Danaan (by way of the Tarot), which correllate/merged with the four elements or four winds, which the four small crosses of the Templar/Georgian flag represent, lol.

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I meant to discuss all that business here in this thread, but I'll just post a link to it instead ...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10749906

Obviously, they love to flaunt this stuff ... all in plain view. I just realised that the mermaid with two tails on the Starbucks logo is Melissena, the Byzantine princess who was the matriarch of the Bruce clan and who's lineage figured prominantly in the noble families of Europe and Scotland (and by extension England). She is depicted in medieval legend as Melusine, a half sea-serpent who captures the heart of Raymond, either de Lusignan or de Vere (depending on the version) - and made it onto the Starbucks logo. But the logo's been changed ... Were too many people curious and her likeness was too close for comfort - so the logo was made more subtle, where you can't tell right off that those are her two tails that she is grasping in her hands? Or maybe I'm over-thinking it - maybe the original was just too erotic? Either way, that's Melusine.

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They place a giant Egyptian penis symbol in the middle of Washington DC, they build a big ugly glass pyramid in the center of the Louvre. They glorify their ancestors in legends and tell and re-tell Greek myths about their roots in countless guises. These stories fill our books and movies - but never is it revealed what they are really about. The stories are always clothed in allegory, even our history is sanitized, the key connections (that would otherwise make the history of the world really interesting) safely dedacted, lest we know what "they" know.

You could write a whole book about the meanings hidden in the stories told to our children by Walt Disney, long held to be a major Illumanist. Did you know that the plays of Shakespeare, great as they are, were most likely written by Rosicrucians? William Shakespeare, the actor, could barely write his own name, much less Hamlet. It's sometimes said that all of the decent plots can be traced back to Shakespeare. Well, those stories were probably written by Rosicrucians, possibly by a small group of them led by Francis Bacon, or, as per a competing version, by Edward de Vere (!!!!), who may not even have been a de Vere at all, but a bastard child of Queen Elizabeth's brought up in the de Vere house. Who knows, the point is, the author of the Shakespere plays was a highly educated member of the "dragon" elite, and the stories are loosely based on real events.

Do you think Madonna knows what Kabbalah mysticism is really all about, do you think she knows that Chaldean Kabbalah birthed the orgastic sacrifice-ritual practicing cult of Cybelle, with their Galli priests who manifested the union of male and female through castration? Heavens no!!! Considering the royalty of the entertainment industry who she rubs shoulders with, who constantly inject the symbols and stories of the ancient elite (along with all of the other subtle propoganda) into our culture, is it by pure coincidence that she got into Kabbalah mysticism? I'd bet no. And now that I think about it, who's idea was it to call her "Madonna" in the first place, really???

And who is "they", by the way? Is it a massive multi-tiered organization that "Svali" who I mentioned in the first post in this thread describes, referred to by some as the "illuminati"? I don't know, I suspect that that nomenclature continues to be propogated in order to confuse and conceal. But, and maybe I am crazy, whoever they are they sure seem to leave a trail, flooding our culture with symbols and stories that appear to all "fit", once you start to identify the roots of the so-called ruling elite.

I wanted to post something, I almost did a couple of times, I wrote it up and trashed it, wrote it up again and trashed it again. The problem is, it involves some supposition and touches on religion. "Touches" might be the wrong word ... "turns on its head" might be more accurate. However, what I want to dive into constitutes a big piece of this puzzle IMO and I think I should attempt to cover it.

CIA posted something a few posts back that caught my eye...

"...the Dragon represents the two races of Atlantis, who contend for hegemony everywhere. They are the Twins of all mythologies, the two contending serpents of the Caduceus ( Ouroboros and Uraeus ) which devour each other in endless wars from the primordial ages down to the present day"
- Prof` Arysio Nunes Dos Santos.

I can't speak to Atlantis, all I know about it is the Greeks spoke of it and people have been looking for it and arguing if it ever existed ever since. But the bit about "two contending serpents" piqued my interest, because I am slowly catching on that there were TWO major and distinct branches to the dragon blood-line.

The first is the "Gogi" branch. "Gogi" is a term used by Ladon-Gog author John, referring to Black Sea region peoples, often represented in Greek myths via connection with the twins Apollo and Artemis. Most of these peoples passed through or inhabited the Caucasus at one time or another, and include the Vikings, Scythian peoples, the Picts, the Goths, and related Saxons and Franks. (I tried to trace the migrations of some of these peoples earlier in the thread.) This branch can be thought of as representing a "Rus" element in the "rose-line".

The second branch undoubtedly connects to the first at their common root, probably in ancient Mesopotamia, but passes through Egypt. From there it splits, one branch going north to Greece and two others doubling back to the Levant (basically). Danaus of Greek legend (also mentioned in historical records) represents peoples that migrated from Egypt to Rhodes (an island off of the southwestern shore of Anatolia near Greece), providing a "Rhodian" element in the concept of the "rose-line". From Rhodes these people migrated to Greece proper. Danaus' mythical cousin, Cadmus, along with Cadmus' brother Phoenix, represent another migration from Egypt to Phoenicia. Cadmus moves again, this time to Greece where he slays the dragon of Ares and founds Thebes, he and his wife Harmonia then turn into dragons themselves, representing the rebirth of the dragon-line in Greece via Phoenicia. Remember that Cadmus plants the dragon's teeth in the ground, which grow into the Spartans, and note also that another city called Thebes was the capital of Egypt in the 11th and 15th dynasties. Thebes of Greece was so named by people from Egypt as assuredly as the people who settled New Amsterdam (later New York) were Dutch.

There was one more migration out of Egypt, by a peoples also rooted in ancient Mesopotamia (Sumer), who settled in the Levant south of Phoenicia ... the Israelites. Even the bible confirms the general shape of this tree I am describing, with it's naming of the sons of Noah and their descendents. I won't speculate on whether the Hyksos kings of Egypt were proto-Israelites, but I will go along with the idea that the Habiru of Egypt were Hebrews, and that the Hyksos might have been connected to them. The term Hebrew however, does not mean someone is Jewish, or even descended from Abraham (as all Arabs believe themselves to be, by Hagar, Abraham's wife's handmaiden). If one places stock in the accounts of the bible (which, not unlike the Greek myths, were about real events I believe, written to great extent in code, partly to conceal certain realities and partly as protection in a politically charged world ... but nonetheless providing a useful tool), Hebrew derives from Eber, and he and his descendents are correctly referred to by that name. Eber was a biblical great-great-(etc.) grandfather of Abraham many generations up the tree, who must have had many descendents. In other words, there were lots of Hebrews out there who had nothing to do with Abraham, nor the Israelites for that matter (strictly speaking). Funny how meanings get mistakenly linked to certain words, funny how things get all mixed up.

I find it interesting that speaking out against Zionism will get you branded an "anti-semite". Semitic means one is descended from Shem, son of Noah, as the Arabs and by extention Palestinians are alleged to be. Alternately, it is believed that the vast majority of European Jews are descended from the kingdom of Khazaria. (Excuse me for not speaking in absolutes.) - One assumes that the Khazars (previously Scythia) were "Gogi" peoples, i.e. (as per the biblical way of looking at it) descended from Shem's brother Japheth. (Maybe anti-Zionist talkers should be branded anti-Japhites? Nawh, that wouldn't work, practically ALL of the Anglo-American-European population is mostly Japhetic. I jest, but a closer examination of where we all really came from would do the world a lot of good IMO.)

This "Khazar" business, kept relatively quiet until the present age of the internet, is why some people go on and on about how the Jews of Europe (excepting Sephardic Jews from Spain) have no justifiable claim to the land of Israel ... because they aren't descended from any of those people.

But there's a catch.

Jo56 posted an article recently in another thread about the Khazars. I felt it was a good article (the writer might have a bit of an agenda, but seems to know his history IMO and I found it refreshing). But there's a key point about the Khazars that everyone seems to leave out, which I want to add for the record. The "lost tribes" were probably not lost at all, many of them probably wound up in Khazaria ... first carted off by the Assyrians into northern Mesopotamia, and then driven north by the constant fighting in the area as Assyrians, Medians, Babylonians, Persians and finally Parthians vied for dominance. There's no where else to go but through the Caucasus into Scythia (later Khazaria) - we're talking about maybe millions of exiled Israelites here, and this might help explain why the kingdom of Khazaria converted "en-masse" to Judaeism (8th-9th centuries). A few of the oldest Jewish communities in the world are located in the Caucasus. Furthermore, I can only think of two possible reasons why the rivers flowing into the Black Sea might all have been renamed with Din-Dan-Don names. Either the Gogi peoples in the area imported the term from Sumer (I showed that "Dan" in Sumerian was equivalent to Bel/Beru/Baal in Akkadian & Phoenician early in the thread), or, the Tribe of Dan, who apparently had no compunction about naming things after themselves (city of Dan) had something to do with it. The Danaus of Greece couldn't have named those rivers, they never went anywhere near there (to my knowlege).

...Of course what has been and is still being done to the Palestinians is an unadulterated crime against humanity, and I think the descendents of the Israelites have about as much right to take over Palestine as the Spanish have to go and invade western Georgia (which was the kingdom of Iberia in biblical times). But those that assume that because Ashkenazi Jews descend from Khazars they are defacto unconnected to Israel are missing part of the story. Food for thought.

Getting back to the two branches, I made a map. This is not meant to be definitive, only as a guide to help follow this. The Phoenicia -> Greece migration was by sea, the Egypt -> Israel migration (the Exodus) ostensibly by land.

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Note where Chaldea is. Chaldea was the birthplace of Kabbalah mysticism, which we find popping up along both Gogi and Egyptian branches. (Along the Egyptian branch you find major centers of Kabbalah teaching in Alexandria and Carthage, along the Gogi branch you find the cult of Cybelle (Kybele), which John has connected to Kabbalah and which spread from Colchis and Phrygia to Greece proper ... the island of Samothrace was also a stomping-ground of this cult.)

Some mixing of peoples of the two major branches should be pointed out. The alleged migration north by the "lost" tribes of Israel into Scythia/Khazaria discussed above would constitute one such merging of the branches. The Milesian migration to Spain and then Scotland would constitute another, as the royal Scythian Mil married Scota. Whether a historical or mythical figure, Scota was an Egyptian princess, and since we know additionally that there was a city in Israel called Scythopolis I think I can safely say the Milesians represented a merging of the Gogi and Egyptian lines. (Don't think too much about the details, or your head might explode, as mine seems about to.)

There is another place where the two branches came into close proximity, Armenia. At it's height, the Armenian kingdom stretched from the southern Caucasus all the way down to the edge of Phoenicia. Do you see a similarity between these terms, Hermes, Armenia, Mt. Hermon (in Phoenicia), Harmonia? Ladon-Gog author John believes there is a Hermes/Armenia connection, and I find it interesting that the name of the wife of Cadmus, the mythical founder of Phoenicia and Greece, was Harmonia, who's name came to represent peaceful co-existence, i.e. Harmony.

I think I know in a general way what happened to the Gogi branch, it stayed in the area of the Black Sea for many centuries, weaving in and around Greece for a bit, branched northward into Russia, sailed ships for Spain and Scotland, populated Northern Europe and Scandinavia, and finally overwhelmed the Roman Empire. I believe the Tuatha de Danaan who invaded Ireland 3 to 4 thousand years ago must have been of the Egyptian branch due to the 'Dan' element in their name and their alleged Aegean (near-Greece) roots. I couldn't tell you what became of the Egyptian line after the decline of the Greek empire (I have my suspicions but nothing solid), but I am beginning to think that the Trojan War was essentially a war between the Gogi and Egyptian branches of the dragon blood-line. Outlandish as it might seem at first, this idea has helped me keep things straight in my head, and it makes perfect sense to me at the moment. (I may change my mind of course.)

The next place we find a merging of the branches, or I should say, an alleged merging of the branches, is with the Merovingian kings. Here comes the blasphemous part.

When I say blasphemous, I'm not talking about the idea that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, as is the premise of Holy Blood Holy Grail. But that's part of it. The movie Zeitgeist promotes the view that the historical figure of Jesus never existed, but as the religion-related part of that movie plays sort of fast and loose with its facts (Horus-Christ story correllations mostly made-up or exaggerated), I propose entertaining that there was a Jesus. I'm not religious mind you, nor am I addressing nor discounting Christ as embraced in the Christian religion. I'm referring simply to a king of Israel of the Davidic line.

I don't know if you could call the piece below an article or just a post, but it's quite amazing. The "water into wine" miracle may simply have been Jesus breaking the rules and serving wine to commoners at his betrothal feast (wine at these ceremonies was reserved for priests and celibate Jews).

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fe...l?msg_id=0014xY

...is the marriage itself detailed in the Gospels? Actually, it is. Many have suggested that the wedding at Cana was the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene - but this was not the wedding ceremony as such, being simply the pre-marital betrothal feast. The marriage is defined by the quite separate anointings of Jesus by Mary at Bethany. Chronologically, these anointings (as given in the Gospels) were two- and-a-half years apart.

Readers of the 1st century would have been fully conversant with the two-part ritual of the sacred marriage of a dynastic heir. Jesus, as we know, was a Messiah, which means quite simply an 'Anointed One'. In fact, all anointed senior priests and Davidic kings were Messiahs; Jesus was not unique in this regard. Although not an ordained priest, he gained his right to Messiah status by way of descent from King David and the kingly line, but he did not achieve that status until he was ritually anointed by Mary Magdalene in her capacity as a bridal high priestess.

The word 'Messiah' comes from the Hebrew verb mashiach: 'to anoint', which derives from the Egyptian messeh: 'the holy crocodile'. It was with the fat of the messeh that the Pharaoh's sister-brides anointed their husbands on marriage, and the Egyptian custom sprang from kingly practice in old Mesopotamia. In the Old Testament's Song of Solomon we learn of the bridal annointing of the king. It is detailed that the oil used in Judah was the fragrant ointment of spikenard (an expensive root oil from the Himalayas)...

... the anointing of Jesus by Mary Magdalene was indeed performed ... with the bridal ointment of spikenard. ... This oil was the express prerogative of a Messianic bride who had to be a 'Mary' - a sister of a sacred order...Mary wiped Jesus's feet with her hair and ... All of these things signify the marital anointing of a dynastic heir.

...Messianic marriages were always conducted in two stages. ...the second (the later anointing in Matthew, Mark and John) ... part of the marriage ceremony was never conducted until the wife was three months pregnant.

...First weddings were always held in the month of Atonement (modern September) and betrothal feasts were held three months before that. In this particular instance, we find that the first marital anointing of Jesus by Mary Magdalene was at the Atonement of AD 30, three months after the Cana ceremony which appears to have been their own betrothal feast.

The full article details carefully how various events in the bible and their timing correllate with the strict marraige protocol of a messianic king and his betrothed... and why one can conclude that Mary and Jesus were not only married, but that she was pregnant at the time of the Crucifiction.

Believe what you like, the important thing is that the Merovingians were keen to advertise a blood connection to the Davidic line of kings through Mary Magdalene, and that the Cathars and Templars after them propagated this legend. The Templars in fact built Gothic Churches of unrivaled size and beauty (Notre Dame - "Our Lady" - being the most famous) all around France in honor of Mary Magdalene and even claimed to possess her bones.

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