The Dragon Blood-line Options

[elreb]

This could work out because I relate Shem to the Cimmerians.

Shem was the fore father to the Hebrews which included Abraham’s family.

There were Cimmerians living around Urartu.

Scythians once dwelt in Asia, and there warred with the Massagetae, but with ill success; they therefore quitted their homes, crossed the Araxes, and entered the land of Cimmeria.

Abraham moves to Mitzraim and later settles in Kush on the upper Nile, therefore we have a connection between the north and south. Urartu being the North.

I have the Akhmin dynasty beginning with Achaemenes on the central Nile.

His son, Teispes becomes the father of Ariaramnes and Cyrus 1

Ariaramnes was the king of Persis and begot the Ramses side of the family.

Cyrus 1 was the king of Anshan/Aswan and begot the Amen side of the family.

As I had previously stated, Amasis II 610-526 BC = Ra-Amasesa II = Ramses II which appears to be Solomon.

Combine this with your story and you have a book!

[elreb]

I have more Sanders...

A lot more...just ask me!

[Sanders]

It would take me a month just to sort out and become familiar with what you wrote in just that one post!!! - I'm only human (>o<)! Hehe.

Actually, where I'm at in my head right now is trying to uncover the Avar connection at the juncture in history when the Merovingian line was killed off and the Carolingians (formerly the Mayors of the Palace) took over in France. There are some family coats of arms - Rangabe, Anjou, Bouillon (Godfroi de Bouillon led the first crusade and allegedly was a direct hier in the so-called "grail" family), and a puzzling stained glass window in the chapel of St. Margaret in Scotland (Margaret, born in the Hungarian house of Yaroslav, became wife of Malcom III making her the Queen of Scotland, and was grandmother of the Matilda of the civil war of succession whereby Stephen was crowned king) - all of which feature the same fleur-de-lis tipped cross. An identical (physical) fleur-de-lis tipped cross was uncovered in the Carpathian basin (modern Hungary/Romania) which is attributed to the Avars.

The Avars were the most respepected and feared of the many Turkic tribes of Central Asia. After moving around Asia with tribes such as the Khazars, Bulghars, Magyars, Huns etc. they (with help from the Lombards - I think) conquered the Gepids and moved into Carpathia. This is the very place where the Ubaids, the patriarchs of the Sumerians, were seated in very ancient times, as I mentioned in my post above about "the grail". Charlemagne and his son Pepin conquered the Avars late in the 8th century, with the help of "western Avars" (an alliance spurred, apparently, by a civil war within the Avar kingdom) . In parallel, we have many towns in southern France, in what was then (the fairly large) Aquitaine, named names like Avallon, Avaricord, Auvern. Aquitaine, in the time of Charlemagne's grandfather Charles "the Hammer" Martel, was ruled by Eudes of Aquitaine, who, as per Ahron, a blogger living in Australia who has been doing some incredible and fruitful research, was really Judah Zakkai - "Eudes" being a Francization of "Judah", Eudes/Judah, who allied with Charles Martel against the Moors and won a great victory together at Tours, was the father of the famous Makhir, Exilarch of the Jewish kingdom of Narbonne. It is to this southern part of France that Mary Magdalene is said to have fled after the crucifixion, it is from this area that the Troubadours and their songs of Courtly Love flourished, and it is in this same area (the Languedoc) that the Gnostic Cathars prospered until the Catholic Church spent 40 years exterminating them.

The extermination of the Cathars, which we know as the Albigensian Crusade, was so successful that almost nothing substantive, apart from whisps in the wind, remains of the Cathar's existence or beliefs.

They were Christian however, but, say, if you had heard the gospel from the descendants of Jesus and Mary of Magdala first-hand, would you willingly lap up the BS being pawned by the Church of Rome? - No way. And so they were a threat - a serious threat - particularly since there is evidence that the son and daughter of Dagobert II fled to the Aquitaine after his murder and married into what would become the "Grail Family".

The Church did such a good job of purging the records that it's near-impossible to say with any certainty what was going on, with regard to dynasties, in southern France in those early Middle Ages. But it appears, to me, that the "elves", those "shining ones" of possibly both Merovingian and Davidian descent, realized that they as a sub-race of people were under serious threat of survival - and so, being pretty damn smart, opted to marry into the family that was clearly on the rise - the Peppinids, the very family that, in collusion with the Catholic Church, had murdered their own kin (Dagobert) - as the only hope for the survival of their own bloodline.

Scholars/history tell us that Bertrada "the Broadfoot" or, the "Goose-foot", was Charlemagne's mother, this is not disputed. Ahron (Australia blogger) tells us that she is "Mother Goose", who told these children's fables to her son (Charlemagne). Historians insist she was Merovingian - but she was in fact a princess of the Davidic line, Jewish, as is evidenced by the derisive "Goose-foot" nickname that was later applied to her.

I'm circling back, so please hang in there a bit longer.

Bertrada's mother was, even by official sources, Blanche Fleur. Blanche Fleur means white flower, specifically, lily.

The lily was one of the symbols of the grail, the act of extracting (by drinking) melatonin from the ejaculate of royal virgins. There were many "blanche fleur"s, who were all queens of the Davidic line, which descended from Solomon as well of course (and in some cases as well, Jesus).

So, having come to grasp this much, I was still confronted with the emergence of the "fleur-de-lis" (obviously derived from the lily) - tipped crosses on the coats of these important families, concurrent with Avar migration into southern France. SURELY there's something going on here!!!!???

And, I was spurred on by the name of Avallon, home of Morgana la Fey where Arthur's ex-calibur was forged, as well Tolkien's choice to name an important race of Elves 'Avari' in the Ring trilogy, and, surprisingly, after delving into the geneologies of the conquering families of America (Rockefeller, Morgan, Root, etc.) their seeming to have fallen over each other to marry into the Averell or Avery family/families (commonly descended from Auvrays of medieval France). The namesake of these Averys of America had to be ultimately the Avars of the middle ages, I thought, and these Averys/Averells had to be connected to the "grail line" or the Davidic line somehow, making their blood particularly valuable? Add to all that, Avar in Hebrew (AVR) meant "Light". (!!??)

But, sadly, I could not find a connection. I thought, for a moment, that Eudes of Aquitaine (Judah Zakkai?) was descended from Avars - but, Judah/Eudes lost a battle against the Moors for the lack of stirrups on his troops' horses - hard to believe if Eudes was an Avar, for the Avars had invented the stirrup a hundred years prior. I basically discarded my whole "Avar" theory.

Then, today, I read that Charlemagne's grandmother, the mother of his mother Bertrada "the Goose-foot", was Blanche Fleur, the "FLOWER OF HUNGARY".

!!!!???? Hungary!!!???? - At this time in history "Hungary" was the Avar Kingdom!!!! Go to any source, Bertrada's mother is the "Flower of Hungary". They didn't cover up this little clue. Bertrada and her mother were clearly Avars - because the Avars were in Hungary before Charlemagne conquered their kingdom late in his life ... there's no getting around it.

I did a search for the terms "flower of Hungary", "blanche fleur" and Avar, together. I got NOTHING.

[elreb]

The other day I was watching a show on ship building and I agreed with the spokesman when he said that only Phoenicians were the true boat builders.

He went on to state that they would look for ports that had trees and set up lumber yards to build more ships.

It is fairly clear that Noah and his three sons were ship builders, thus making them Phoenician.

It all fits the myths.

Agenor was a Phoenician [Eneti, Veneti] who ruled over Sidon [Cydonia, Crete] and Tyre. His twin brother was Belus a king of [Mitzraim] Egypt and father of Aegyptus and Danaus.

Sons of Noah/Nch

Note: Serpent is spelled = Nchsh

Shem/Shm = father of Eber/Obr [Hebrew], Aram

Ham/Chm = father of Cush/Kush, Mizraim/Mtzrim, Phut/Phut [Pont], Canaan/Knon. Cush generated Nimrod/Nmrd the builder of Babylon, Ashur and Nineveh. Canaan generated Sidon, Heth

Japheth/Iphth = father of Gomer/Gmr, Magog/Mgug, Media/Mdi, Javan/Iun, Tubal/Thbl, Meshech/Mshk

Before they arrived there was no Egypt, Troy, Babylon or Nineveh

This is why I wonder if the "Sumerians" originated in India and were an extension of the Indus Valley Civilization.

[elreb]

This is why I wonder if the "Sumerians" originated in India and were an extension of the Indus Valley Civilization.

Sin was the Moon god

Sin-dhis = Indus...also relates to Urdu

The word Hindu is derived from the Sanskrit word Sindhu

[Sanders]

The Ubaid culture most likely wasn't confined to just the Carpathian basin, so, maybe there was direct contact between the Ubaid and the Indus Valley, pre-dating their contact with the Sumerians. Officially, of course, civilization, and by association, "dragon culture", spread from Sumer to the Indus Valley (and from there to the Chinese dragon court).

So, the question is, did the Indus Valley get its "dragon culture" directly from the Ubaid of Scythia, of which there is no evidence, or the Sumerians, ample evidence of which does exist.

It's sort of a moot point ... unless some cuniform texts predating the Tartaria texts of Romania show up in Pakistan. (They won't.)

[elreb]

Physical history and written history both come in layers.

I like peeling back the layers.

The one thing that I will “always” hit you on is dating.

Cross-dating based on “Dog-Star” dating is not creditable. I see Noah’s flood after 1600 BC.

Remove all the construction related to the sons of Noah from Mesopotamia.

Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Calneh, Nineveh, Resen, Rehoboth-Ir and Calah…all go away.

What do you have left?

I’ve always wondered who invented cuneiform writing. It appears to be in two forms = wedge and pictogram.

I feel that the sons of Noah brought the Phonetic alphabet [Phoenician alphabet] which looks like the pictogram writing.

I just cannot shake the thought that…the sons of Noah were the “dragon-culture”!

Noah = “Nch’ Serpent = ‘Nchsh”

[Sanders]

Yeah! - I like your thinking - if it starts with an "N", and there's a 'c' or an 'h' or a 'z' in there somewhere, it's probably a dragon!

Of course, as you state, the "sons of Noah". But also, the "sons of Adam"? The Davidic line (he, David, comes out of nowhere and slays Goliath - and this is the basis of his and Solomon's exhalted family line? - no way.) apparently descends from Cain.

[elreb]

From what I gather, the mark of Cain/Qin was circumcision.

It appeared to be the act of cutting off and separating.

The practice was found along the Nile and was introduced to the sons of Noah as they arrived.

This would indicate layers of arrivals on the Nile.

The area of Qena/Keneh looks like a good spot. It is only 86 miles from the Red Sea.

If Cain went to the “Land of Nod/Nud east of Eden/Odn”; then he came from the West.

I’m guessing that Odn was somewhere in Atlandis beyond the Pillars of Hercules.

(IMG:http://www.suneagle1.com/images/Cartouche.jpg) What does this look like? Not the Sun!

Sanders do you think circumcision could somehow be a “Dragon” thing?

[Sanders]

Definitely.

The "Grail" legacy is all about "service". The Minotaur in the Labyrinth (and similar legends of obstacles conquered) are all about the Priest-Prince or Priest-King suppressing the sexual urge during the rite of extracting melatonin, stimulating the "grail maiden" to climax (whereby her melatonin can be received) without becoming sexually aroused. Sexual arousal in the male recipient would promote testosterone, a hormone which would work in opposite to the desired affect. That affect being a higher level of consciousness, a level so different from our own day-to-day experience that it has been described and cemented in our culture via symbology as being akin to "rebirth" - the DEATH of the ego and REBIRTH of a new spiritual person.

Jesus, with the help of the menstrual and ejaculate (wine and water) juices of his grail-maiden Mary (of Magdala), who, when he was about 30 when he met her was about 12 (the perfect age to start this ancient ritual), achieved a spiritual, or cosmological, or whatever you want to call it, degree of "perfection" to the extent that he became a magnet to anyone within earshot - add to that, he was a "messiah", a priest king of the Davidic line (messiah just means "annointed one", i.e. king, being annointed by the fat of the 'messah', the royal crocodile as per the ancient Egyptian custom, NOT the "son of god", at least not in the way the Catholic Church tried to make it mean.)

The ultimate purpose of the rite was to embue the recipient of the "grail-blood" or "grail-ejaculate" with higher mental powers, pursuant to more inspired and foresightful SERVICE to the people he or she ruled. Circumcision, since it lessens the sensitivity of the penis, would seem to fall into place as a rite connected to and complementary to the melatonin-farming "grail rite". (!!!!!????)

So, elreb, I think, maybe, you've hit on to something there. (!!!)

[23investigator]

[quote name='Sanders' date='May 23 2012, 03:20 PM' post='10805154']
Definitely.

The "Grail" legacy is all about "service". The Minotaur in the Labyrinth (and similar legends of obstacles conquered) are all about the Priest-Prince or Priest-King suppressing the sexual urge during the rite of extracting melatonin, stimulating the "grail maiden" to climax (whereby her melatonin can be received) without becoming sexually aroused. Sexual arousal in the male recipient would promote testosterone, a hormone which would work in opposite to the desired affect. That affect being a higher level of consciousness, a level so different from our own day-to-day experience that it has been described and cemented in our culture via symbology as being akin to "rebirth" - the DEATH of the ego and REBIRTH of a new spiritual person.

Dear 'Sanders'

For some reason, it always appeared that you were a woman.

That appears to have been wrong, considering the 'facebook' image, but more to the point, your article regarding, Carbon Tax, CO2, Global warming, have been rekindled by re-reading your profile.

No doubt, you would be aware, that in the 'motherland', yes the one America and others arose from, saw fit to burden its citizens, that is the ones that could least afford it, with, Daylight Tax, introduced in 1696, officially called window or glass tax.
This was in the 'reign', of King William 111, 1689 - 1702 / 1650 - 1702.

This was seven years after he had releived the citizens of a Hearth or Fireplace Tax, of the reign of King Charles 11, 1649 - 1685 / 1630 - 1685.

The Daylight Tax, continued for a considerable time, during the Napoleonic Wars, the tax nearly doubling,
Wars is expensive you know.

Do you see precedent, in the even 'earlier eras', which may have carried over, even into our current times.
Because, after all, Wars now, are even more expensive you know.
Perhaps, we should all acquire a taste for 'ejaculate', if it has that wonderful affect, of dissolving 'EGO', bringing us all wisdom, which is so sadly lacking.

Robert S

Sorry Mr Balsamo, what ever I do wrong, has happened again.

[Sanders]

- s -

This "grail ritual" only worked on those of true dragon blood, pure "elven" blood as Nicholas de Vere describes. This royal sub-race of people was all but exterminated long ago. The murder of Dagobert II by Pepin of Herstal (in collusion with the Catholic Church), resulting in the end of the Merovingian dynasty (7th century) was the first major setback. The invasion of England by William the Conqueror a few centuries later was an even more serious blow. William had some dragon-blood in him, but he and his Norman ilk cared nothing for achieving any kind of enlightenment or ruling justly - his slash and burn policy to "pacify" the north of England killed half the population. (He went so far as to salt the earth so that nothing would grow, causing mass starvation for a generation.)

I have my own theory that the 1st Crusade was in reaction to William's seizing the English throne. A few years prior to the Norman invasion princess Margaret, who was a "fairy" from both sides of her family (from the English kings on the side of her father Edward 'the Exile', descended from Alfred, or "Elf-red" 'the Great', and the blood of David from her mother) left Hungary with her family and landed in England, where her father was expected to reclaim the throne. The next day her father was murdered. Margaret and her mother remained in England until 1066 when William of Normandy invaded and killed Harold at Hastings and Margaret (along with her mother and some Hungarian royals in tow) got out of Dodge, fleeing to Scotland where she married Malcom III King of Scotland.

Malcom was surely "elven", he descended from a long line of Pict Kings. The Picts were one of three invader/immigrant waves to the isles from Scythia (the other two being the Milesians and the Tuatha de Danaan), and it was the Royal Scythians that started the whole "civilization" thing in Sumer in the first place. We get confirmation that these Pict migrants to Scotland were originally Scythians in the Greek myths, specifically in the Calydonian Boar Hunt. (Scotland was once called Calydonia.)

The ancient Scythians, the "Ubaid", were the original dragons/elves/grail-rulers, so if the Pict rulers of Scotland had kept their blood fairly pure, and it seems they did, Margaret's marriage to Malcom would have been a purely elven affair.

(These "elves" were once, in the early middle ages, just and effective rulers of men. The Catholic Church and their non-elven clients, pursuant to supplanting elven power, tried to diminish elven stature in the public consciousness with tales of tiny fairies, elves, and other mystical little people ... )

Margaret and Malcom had several children, one a son named David who would become king of Scotland, whose name reflects Margaret's royal Jewish heritage on her mother's side, as well as a daughter, Matilda, who married Henry I of England, son of William the Conqueror. THEIR daughter, also Matilda, married Geoffrey Plantagenet, a moderately pure descendent of the grail family in Anjou - it was as if there was an effort afoot to restore pure dragon/elvin blood to power in England by diluting the Norman blood that sat at the throne, for Matilda was indeed the true heir, but her Norman cousin, Stephen, made a bid for the kingship as well, resulting in a civil war. The ultimate result of that conflict was Stephen ruling till his death, at which point Matilda & Geoffrey's son Henry II took the throne - but centuries later, with the War of the Roses and the end of Lancaster family rule, elvin blood in the royal family in England was essentially dead.

In the years after the Norman Invasion of England (this is my theory) certain "elves", specifically the members of the Grail family living in France, sensed that the barbarian Normans (and for too many centuries now the Catholic Church) were getting the upper hand in the world and that they'd better do something or they, as a people, were finished. Their bold move was the 1st Crusade, led by the Grail heir Godfroi de Bouillon.

In short, despite winning Jerusalem for a time, the affair ended badly, then the Catholic Church (possibly emboldened by the fall of Jerusalem) launched the Albigensian crusade, whereby Cathars (adherents of a form of Christianity handed down to them probably by Mary of Magdala and her and her husband, the Christ's, own family and probable descendents, not to mention refugees of the Merovingian bloodline as well as the progeny of Makhir the Exilarch ... ) were exterminated in one of history's most violent acts of genocide. The Church (and her client knights) spent 40 years killing anything that looked or smelled like a Cathar in southern France. This is from where we get the alleged quote, "Kill them all, God will know his own".

Finally in the early 14th century the Templars were burned, banned and forced underground. The Dragon had been effectively slayed.

The Templars, in new clothes, would resurface centuries later as Freemasons. But those Templars, even in their original form, had never been full-blooded "elves", nor were they members of the grail family. They were merely the protectors of the grail (posing as the pope's militia).

Freemasonry as well would undergo violent factionalization. Speeding to the 18th century, Washington and Franklin were from one faction of Masonry while the order of the Scottish Rite was well represented in the Bostonian members of the 'Essex Junto' ... the former determined to split from Britain and form a more perfect union, the later of which tried to derail that effort, going so far as to foment the Civil War a century later. Spookily, 1776 was also the year that the Bavarian Illuminati was formed - a decade later one of their couriers was killed by lightning and a letter he was carrying discovered - the "Illuminati" were found-out and banned as an organization. Did they disappear? Of course not, they infiltrated the Freemasonic lodges of Europe.

The rest is, as they say, history.

............

It all sounds pretty crazy but, I'm a pretty skeptical guy and, after 10 years of digging and reading and digging and thinking and reading and thinking and more digging and reading, I suspect the above is close to our true history. Way closer, at least, than the crap we are taught.

[23investigator]

This "grail ritual" only worked on those of true dragon blood, pure "elven" blood as Nicholas de Vere describes. It all sounds pretty crazy but, I'm a pretty skeptical guy and, after 10 years of digging and reading and digging and thinking and reading and thinking and more digging and reading, I suspect the above is close to our true history. Way closer, at least, than the crap we are taught.

Dear Sanders.

Thank you.

Robert S

[elreb]

Sanders,

What button do you push on this forum to find the top 5 or top 10 threads?

ref: 23investigator...

"I thought you were a girl"? Hahaha

[Sanders]

ref: 23investigator...

"I thought you were a girl"? Hahaha

Hahaha!!!

[Sanders]

A little tidbit that shows that I'm (or Nicholas de Vere, or others who are aware of the truth of the Grail, or "Starfire" as it is presently called) are not making all this up ...

Many Egyptian hieroglyphics show a curious royal scepter, with a loop at the top and a stick below, and little "cross-like" arms. This is called the Ankh. The "loop" is the labia, the stick is the straw (usually made of gold) by which ejaculate was either received directly or fed into a chalice (the "grail") and drunk. I don't know what the cross-like arms represent ... maybe the grail maiden's (diminuized) legs?

This symbol was merged, at some point, with the sign of the gods of Sumer (which predate the Egyptian era), specifically, an 8-spoked wheel without the rim (if you can imagine it). Inanna's sign btw was an 8 pointed star.

As this symbol, a loop and stick below, with an 8-spoked wheel without the rim stuck on the middle, was routinely carved in wood, the horizontal line-part of the Sumerian 8-spokes would get lost in the grain of the wood. (I'm summarizing info gleaned from the writings of Nicholas de Vere.)

As this was miscopied, what you were left with was a loop (circle) at the top, a stick extending below it, and an X in the middle. This is the symbol of the act of extracting melatonin from virgin princesses, the source of the ruling class' superior intellect and wisdom, and it solidified into the Chi-Rho, a capital "P" with an "x" along the lower "stick", both the symbol of Christ and the resurrection, and (how funny) the origin of the symbol of the Skull & Bones, embraced by the Templars (and via that connection, both Freemasons and pirates, LoL).

The original name for the origin of this "grail" symbol, the Egyptian 'Ankh', over many long centuries, morphed into the name of the "Anjou" provence in France, where the Grail family resided for many generations.

It also is, apparently, the root of "Angevin", making the Varangians NOT some Angle-mix of viking-connected people (I'm wondering?), but a people connected to Anjou?

And what of that "Var" part of the term??? This is what still disturbs me. Is it a marker for the Avars? A cross was discovered in the Carpathian basin (Hungaria/Romania) with fleur-de-lis tips, matching the coats of arms of Godfroi de Bouillon, the Anjou Fulks, and Michael Rangabe (Makhir/Makhil the Angevin???) Emperor of the East and grandfather of Melissena.

Further, there are these towns, one in what was once Aquitaine - Avaricon (name changed later to Bourges), and another north of there, Avallon. I'm sure these names reflect a strong Avar presence in France beginning at least as early as Charlemagne's reign.

I suspect the Avars were very important, and whose leaders (Kagans) were "elves". Tolkien named one race of elves in his Ring trilogy the 'Avari'.

And the coat of arms of the Avery family (who the early elite of America, including the Morgans and the Rockefellers, practically fell over themselves to intermarry with) features 3 gold circles/rings, evoking the "Ring" fortresses of the Avars (?).

Add to that, many found Avar samples of jewelry feature the swastika. I lived in Japan for a time, where the swastika is still commonly used on maps to denote temples.

The records tell of a victory (somewhat disputed) of a 'Varangian', a cousin of the very important Vladimir I, Grand Prince of Kiev, Oleg, in Byzantium where he reportedly nailed his shield to the large door of the palace, a shield on which was painted a swastika. This lends credence to the idea that the Varangians (who Oleg is described as) were Avar-Angevins. To further heat up the debate, the Swastika, according to de Vere, was a symbol of the "Vortex" surrounding the "grail", i.e., the labia of the grail princesses from whom melatonin was acquired.

So, I'm pretty convinced that Avar blood was part of the "grail" in southern France. Avar, in Hebrew (AVR) means ... LIGHT.

To say nothing of the fact that the name of the land where Arthur's sword was forged, was Avalon.

[elreb]

(IMG:http://www.suneagle1.com/images/ankh3.png) Ankh (IMG:http://www.suneagle1.com/images/chiro.png) Chirho (IMG:http://www.suneagle1.com/images/dingirgod.png) God

[Sanders]

(IMG:http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8402/snbq.jpg) Grail symbol

[Sanders]

Please allow me to return to the Avars. In their heyday they were the most feared and respected of the nomadic "Turkic tribes". The names of two Avar Kagans (kings) were recorded around the time of the death of Charlemagne, named Abraham and Isaac.

There is an entry in the annals that the "western Avars" were of purer blood than the "eastern" (Babylon based) exilarchs. What could that mean???

Then we have the research of Aharon of Australia.

This guy seems to have really done some homework, but he fails to provide any links or references to any sources for his, pretty important, "historical adjustments". He just states things matter-of-factly.

Urrgh ... but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

In short, Aharon submits that Makhir, aka Aymery aka Theodoric (the father of a father-son Jewish-knight-duo embraced by the Pepinids and confused as one penultimate knight in writings of the early middle ages) was the son of an Exilarch ruling the Aquitaine, one Judah Zakkai, who we know as Eudes (Frankization of Judah) of Aquitaine.

Could this family of warrior Jewish exilarchs in southern France at the time have been Avar?

The coats of arms extending from decendents of Makhir and his sons, some of which feature the fleur-de-lis tips, suggest so, and the recorded names of the Avar Kagans (at the end of the Avar kingdom) Abraham and Isaac lend more credence. Where the annals say, "the western Avars were of purer blood", are they talking about Avars in France????

Maybe.

But, there was a sort of civil war in the Avar kingdom at the time of Charlemagne and his son Pepin's reigns, and apparently the leaders of the Avars in the western part of Carpathia decided that they could do better allying with Charlemagne and Pepin and destroying their eastern Avar bretheren than being ruled by fellow Avars that they apparently didn't respect.

Not much is known about this split, this "civil war", but apparently certain Khazars took advantage of the conflict to submit their own Khazarian Kagan-candidate , named Abraham, for rule over the Avars, which those Avars accepted.

So, the recorded names of Avar Kagans 'Abraham' and 'Isaac' do NOT impart on the "Jewishness" of the Avars - those Kagans were not Avar, they were Khazar interlopers.

Then, you have the research of Aharon, who fails to mention the Avars AT ALL in his exhaustive work.

At that point, having steered into dead-ends at every turn, I decided that the whole "Avar" angle was dead. Varangian didn't really reflect Avar-Angevin, Margaret's fleur-de-lis cross wasn't really an Avar cross, the similarities between Avar, Avari, Avallon, and the Avery family were merely coincidence.

Really, I had discarded my thoughts on the Avars, didn't trust any source, and was open to anything to glue this disjointed picture together.

Then I learned that the grandmother of Charlemagne was named Blanche in official sources. Aharon states that she was named Susanna, but that she was a "blanche-fleur" - a "white lily", possibly the "blanche-fleur" referred to in the grail legends. The "white-lily" was, according to Nicholas de Vere, a synonym for a Jewish grail-maiden.

Then, searching for more information, I found a source referring to Charlemagne's grandmother as "Blanche, the flower of Hungary".

Hungary, at that time, was the AVAR kingdom!!!

(Maybe I wasn't crazy after all???)

[Sanders]

I think I "sense" the overall picture, but I fear I will never get much closer to the truth. The records which stood in opposition to dogma of the Catholic Church were, as thoroughly as possible, destroyed. The same is true with regard to the Cathars of southern France, the Lanquedoc where Mary of Magdala apparently fled from Canaan following the crucifixion.

The Cathars counted the Templar knights as allies - the later alternately protected, or accepted as new members of the order, or simply remained neutral when it was politically dangerous to do otherwise. The Cathars were exterminated (a 40-year killing-spree), and a bit later the Templar knights were banned, their leaders roasted slowly over fires by Philip the Fair and his pawn, the Pope.

What secret, known by the Cathars and the Templars alike, could have fueled such determination?

ANKH