The Dragon Blood-line Options

[elreb]

Elreb, you sly devil ...

Not sure where you want me to take you next.

I “do not” need speculation or theory because the evidence on Cyrus is carved in stone.

It is not coincident that the books of Jesus and Mary are found in Akhmin. [Panopolis]

This place is the foundation of all the myth and baloney of Perseus and Jesus.

[Sanders]

"Jack and Jill went up the hill
To fetch a pail of water.
Jack fell down and broke his crown,
And Jill came tumbling after"

We know this is related to the grail ritual because Jack broke his "crown".

The writer of this lyric stuck the word "crown" in there to make sure his veiled meaning would stand ready to be unlocked by those "in the know".

Water = grail ejaculate.

Jack screwed up, he became aroused and "fell down".

He lost his crown, he was not sturdy enough to be a king. His pretty grail maiden, "Jill" as well lost her chance to become a queen.

[elreb]

If you wanted some kind of a story…try this one.

Louis XVI 1754 - 1793 married to Marie Antoinette 1755 – 1793 [daughter of Maria Theresa of the House of Habsburg]

The French had witness the American Revolution of 1775 - 1783 and acquired a thirst to abolish the absolute monarchy of France.

Commune and the Parisian deputies were known as the “Mountain”

The “L'armoire de fer” referred to an “iron” cabinet hidden at the Tuileries Palace located on the “Seine” River that contained secret documents discrediting the king.

Both were beheaded in 1793

Jack = Louis XVI

Jill = Marie

Hill = the Mountain

Pail = Iron cabinet

[elreb]

I’m wondering if the Marie and Maria believe that they were not a Mary

You know more about the Habsburgs than me…

[Sanders]

The writers of 'Holy Blood Holy Grail' (Henry Lincoln and associates) contend that the Hapsburgs were the last royal family of Europe that had any substantive connection to the "grail" family or the Merovingian line. The family of Louis XIV, on the other hand, descended from Philip "the fair", the murderer of many Templars in 1312, including the Grand Master Jacques de Molay who was roasted slowly over a fire, so much so that it is said that after Louis XIV was separated from his royal head someone in the crowd yelled out, "Jacques de Molay is avenged!" (In French of course.)

A couple things need to be mentioned.

This Austrian/French alliance created by the marriage of Marie to Louis may have been more than just a political move. Marie's house, the Hapsburgs, through much of their history, ruled over Hungary and Bohemia as well as Austria (and Spain). Hungary lied in the Carpathian basin, the ancestral homeland of the Ubaid, the predecessors of the Sumerian priest-kings, the original "dragons". Bohemia was named for the Boii, clearly a "bee" term, connecting them to the Merovingians. Also at one time the Hapsburg kingdom included what was called Moravia, tantilizingly close to 'Merovingian'. (The coat of the Moravian church is pretty tantalizing as well - a lamb (the symbol of John) carrying a flag sporting the red Templar cross in its teeth. That part of eastern Europe was a Merovingian stronghold and I suspect that after losing the Frankish crown to the Pepinnids they tried to regroup in what would be named Moravia.)

In my long struggle to piece together something resembling our true history, I am directed multiple times to the Carpathian basin, where the Avars ruled and, after their destruction, the Magyars took their place, led by the Arpads, under whose kingdom of Hungary (later Scottish Queen, Saint) Margaret and her family took refuge during Edward's exile in the 11th century. Above Margaret's head in her stained-glass window in her chapel in Edinburgh is a white cross with fleur-de-lis tips at the ends of the cross-arms - a symbol which can be connected to the Avars (an Avar cross was dug up that matches Margaret's cross), and a symbol which screams "grail-ritual" - for the grail maidens of the Jewish Davidic line were referred to as white lilies, "blanche-fleurs".

So, taking a cue from 'Holy Blood Holy Grail' and their assertion that the Hapsburg line to large degree preserved the blood of the Merovingians and the 'grail', and the history of the lands where they ruled, I suspect that Marie was a "Mary", as Elreb suggests.

Louis XIV is remembered as sexually hapless. How 'bout this - (this is WILD speculation, but not unfounded speculation...) Marie was a grail maiden and knew the ritual. She was married off to this French king and tried to teach him the ritual, whereby her melatonin, and in smaller parts other hormones, would transform him into a great king - but, sadly, Louis couldn't get the hang of it. Either he became aroused and screwed it up by letting his testosterone glands let loose, or he couldn't "fiddle" his maiden to climax, or whatever. Anyway, he lost his crown, in more ways than one, and she came "tumbling down after".

I suspect these nursery rhymes were not written to poke fun at unimportant people - but at historically important kings and queens. I'm pretty impressed that Elreb has, probably, accurately identified "Jack and Jill".

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EDIT - Wikipedia dates the origin of the "Jack and Jill" rhyme to the 18th century - if it's the later 18th, then we have a match.

[elreb]

The first publication date for the lyrics of Jack and Jill rhyme is 1795 - which ties-in with the history and origins. The Jack and Jill poem is also known as Jack and Gill - the mis-spelling of Gill is not uncommon in nursery rhymes as they are usually passed from generation to generation by word of mouth.

http://www.rhymes.org.uk/jack_and_jill.htm


In all these royal families, there seems to be a lot of German blood.

I wonder if they all spoke the same language?

[Sanders]

In all these royal families, there seems to be a lot of German blood...

In the first millennium you had the Elven-kings of Britain, the Royal Picts in Scotland and Kings of Tara in Ireland (both of which appear to have been re-named Tuatha de Danaan), while all of Gaul was ruled by the Merovingians. The Catholic Church, which was not compatible with the ancient system whereby people welcomed rule under these "dragon" families, gradually got rid of them, by allying with any plundering bully who would sign up with the Church. On at least one occasion, the Church condoned murder (that of Dagobert II).

Things really changed with the invasion of France by the Vikings and, concurrently, the takover of Hungary by the Huns (under tribe names Magyar and Kabar). These were all led by part-dragons as well, but as peoples they were plunderers by nature and embraced the Church in return for its support. This is all sort of connected to the Donation of Constantine, which was a forgery but whereby the Church wielded the power to anoint kings. By the time William the Conqueror (direct descendent of Rollo the Viking) sat on the English throne, the Huns of Hungary (Arpads), Duke William's family, and the nobility of France and Kiev (all connected to the Peppinids, who had affected the murder of Dagobert in collusion with the Church and supplanted his Merovingian dynasty), were thoroughly intermarried and a new order had been established. I get into the exact genealogy of this mixing on my 'Uroko' website, specifically in the Melissena article.

It is from this tree that the Germanic houses descend. (I call them the "Flintstone Houses" - Flanders, Hohenstauffen, Brunswick, Wettin etc., duly immortalized in the characters of the 'Flintstones cartoon').

These families took turns as Holy Roman Emperors and were all related - not just to each other but to the French houses, hence your "German blood".

ALL of these people however, even the Merovingians, were "German". They were the Germanic tribes who filled the void when the Roman Empire collapsed.

Interestingly, the word German, I have read, derives from 'Kerman', a part of modern Iran just north of the Straights of Hormuz (Hermes). This spot is a candidate for the mythical 'Aratta', copper-rich birthplace of Inanna. Also, the official wisdom is that Kerman is where the horse was first domesticated. However, Nicholas de Vere and others assert that the gods and goddesses of Sumer were originally Ubaid, from the Carpathian basin - so I'm guessing that the REAL 'Aratta' was somewhere in modern Hungary/Romania.

If so, what of 'Kerman' (identified on a map I possess as "Megan", a tantalizing clue as to the origin of the term "Megan David", the Seal of Solomon)...? I propose that Aratta was in the Carpathian basin and was the point of origin of the Ubaid, while Kerman was a different point of origin for a more violent, conquering culture - specifically, the horse-riding Trojans and their Germanic progeny.

[Sanders]

It should be noted that the rulers of these Germanic tribes, Goths and Angles and Jutes and Franks alike, find their ancestors in the Trojan kings who in turn, apocryphally at least, descend from Dardanus, allegedly one and the same as the son of Judah and twin of Pharez, Darda. The names of two sacred mountains, one on Crete and one near the western coast of Anatolia near Troy, that of 'Ida' (after Judah (?)) would support this, and there are other clues as well which indicate a migration from Egypt of relations to the proto-Judaic kings to Greece, Crete and the Troad.

This would all seem to confuse the issue, but in truth, the hypothesis of descendants of Judah, and through his family the Pharaohs, in their role as dragons, ruling over various Germanic tribes descended from the (defeated at Troy) inhabitants of the Troad mirrors neatly that of the Royal Picts and other off-shoots of Royal Scythians in the British Isles, ruling as dragons (druids and elves) over their Celt subjects.

[Sanders]

I should mention something about the "bee". I have hypothesized about the significance of the bee, as a totem of the Merovingians, as related to the Medes, who I (and others, notably "John" author of 'Ladon Gog') have pegged as a "bee" tribe (Mead is a drink made from honey), and as related to the naming of many historically important towns and cities, most notably Byzantium ('Byz' being allegedly a "bee" term). I have described the 300 gold bees discovered in the grave of the Merovingian king Childeric, and Napoleon (who apparently was obsessed with this dragon legacy) absconding with those bees, sewing them into his imperial ermine cloak. I have tried to provide some rational for this adoption of the bee as a royal symbol by various tribes and kingships, citing 'sacred geometry' (the hexagon, the shape of the chambers of the bee-hive are hexagonal, i.e. 6 sided, the most sturdy construct in nature and linked to the Megan David or Seal of Solomon), and also, the hierarchical nature of the bee colony - all to possibly explain the adoption of the bee as a mascot to various "dragon" tribes.

Well, all that may very well be valid and true (those Scythian dragons and their descendants loved to affect double and triple entendres with their tales and word-plays ... ) but, the true reason the bee became the moniker of various dragon tribes was that the bee sucks nectar from the lily - an allegory for the grail ritual.

In addition, or in concert with that, the bee was the totem of/associated with the 'Binah' Sephirot in Kabbalah (2nd tier, left side under the Kether, or crown), that of Understanding. (I probably sound like a nut-job by now.)

So, trying to tie this together, the bee and all its associated terms and their use in names of people (Melusine/Melissena for example), cities and tribes, as well as the association of the little critter to the Merovingians, was simply a symbol of the grail ritual, the extraction of melatonin (and other mind-expanding hormones) from the royal virgin.

(From what I've been able to discern!)

[Sanders]

There were a couple of small errors in the above posts ... single word errors, errors of (alcohol induced, I'm guessing) inattention, but errors which, in one case, reversed the overriding meaning - oops! I have corrected them.

[Sanders]

The first publication date for the lyrics of Jack and Jill rhyme is 1795...

Seems we DO have a match. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Sanders]

I'm also intrigued with

"Hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle
The cow jumped over the moon
The little dog laughed to see such sport
And the dish ran away with the spoon"

I suspect, taking in to account the rhyme of Ol' King Cole, that "fiddle" was code for the maiden's labia.

The cow is of course the female, tracing back at least to Isis and her bull-horn headress, the horns of Taurus, being chalice/womb shaped, like the crescent moon, which has its own separate association to the female in the 13 lunar cycles matching the menstrual cycle.

Jumping over the moon could be the grail ritual whereby melatonin is extracted from menstral blood, the "Rose of Sharon".

If this is all close to the money, what could the laughing dog represent?? Maybe the royal couple were observed at some inopportune moment by a peasant surprised at witnessing a ritual he knew nothing about?

And so the dish (the maiden) runs away with the spoon (the recipient, the prince or king), caught in the act and embarrassed.

(?!!??)

[elreb]

The term "He of the Bee" =

For as bees always willingly obey the queen-bee and not one of them deserts the place where she stays; and as not one fails to follow her if she goes anywhere else.

[elreb]

"Hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle
The cow jumped over the moon
The little dog laughed to see such sport
And the dish ran away with the spoon"

We know that the cow and moon relate!

[Sanders]

Once you know what all the symbology actually relates to, it's all so simple!

The Egyptian Anke, the Chi-Rho, the Skull & Bones, the Fleur-de-Lis, the "Grail" ... they all refer to the same thing. "Dragon blood", a high perception level and talent for ruling over less high-minded peoples, maintained by an ancient ritual which involved the farming of melatonin (and other hormones) from royal virgins.

The grail ritual allegedly staved off disease and prolonged life.

Maybe (probably!) this was the 'Fountain of Youth'????

(Sorry, don't want to post anything pornographic, but allegedly the female, if properly treated, can provide a 'fountain' of hormones. This was the true 'Fountain of Youth', and, because in cases where this heroin-like drug was experienced but then lost, it was also called the 'Fontaine de Soif', the 'fountain of thirst'.)

Many great kings and emperors historically kept hundreds of concubines, and it's recorded that in China some Emperors had as many as a thousand girls-in-waiting, and actually employed people to keep track of the menstrual cycles of all of them. Why? We assume, that is, it is assumed, that the Emperor was trying to sire as many children as possible ... but, those Chinese Emperors did not sire unusually large families.

This was melatonin farming on an exacting scale. (!)

One interesting turn in this topic is its connection to 'vampirism'. There's more than one way to get the blood of a virgin, at night, when her melatonin levels were high, out of her body.

How interesting that Romania was the ancient (even before Sumer!) homeland of the Ubaid. (Vlad 'the Impaler''s father was nicknamed 'Dracul' because he was a member of Sigismund's 'Order of the Dragon', an order created by the Hungarian king for his most venerated knights. )

[23investigator]

Once you know what all the symbology actually relates to, it's all so simple!

How interesting that Romania was the ancient (even before Sumer!) homeland of the Ubaid. (Vlad 'the Impaler''s father was nicknamed 'Dracul' because he was a member of Sigismund's 'Order of the Dragon', an order created by the Hungarian king for his most venerated knights. )

Dear 'Sanders'

In the journey of life, it has been very interesting to meet, and have friendship, with Hungarian, and Polish people.

They have been very tolerant of my ignorance, teaching a 'good deal', without labouring the subject.
This is a very special 'trait', which whilst in their company, it can be sensed they know a lot more than they are saying.

Whilst it may sound, a large number in years, the reality itself, is, that it is all much closer than realised.

Robert S

[elreb]

Over time words changed.

What was once a seer became a prophet?

Today the bible thumpers are out for profit

[Sanders]

@ elreb; good one!

@ 23investigator; I have had the same experience - I've never been to Poland, but I've had the pleasure to visit a couple of parts of eastern Europe.

Also, this appears to shed some light on (St.) Margaret, Queen to Malcom III of Scotland. She was born in Hungary to one of the last "elves" of England, Edward "the Exile", an uncrowned English king who took refuge in the courts of both Vladimir Grand Prince of Kiev and Andrew King of Hungary (where his wife gave birth to Margaret) but was murdered on his return to England nine years before the Norman Invasion (at which point Margaret, her mother, whose identity is somewhat of a mystery, and an entourage of Hungarian royals fled to Scotland, where Margaret subsequently married king Malcom). Above Margaret's head in her chapel in Edinburgh is a white cross on blue, the arms of which are decorated with "fleur-de-lis" tips. (I have written about Margaret here in this thread.)

Well, the fleur-de-lis is a grail symbol - a symbol of the white lily, the "Blanche Fleur" (a name by which several Jewish princesses who married into the Peppinid family of Charlemagne are called), the "grail maiden".

If Margaret was a real grail maiden (I think she was) and Malcom III's Pict ancestry imbued him with the knowledge and brain-chemistry to be Margaret's partner in unconventional ways, then their daughter, Matilda, who was married off to William the Conqueror's son Henry would also have been of pretty pure dragon blood. Two things are quite interesting about this. One, it would seem Margaret (with Malcom's approval I'm sure) was trying to get her "elven" blood back into the royal English line where it belonged. Secondly, Henry and Matilda's daughter, also Matilda, married Geoffrey, Count of Anjou, also a "dragon/elf", i.e. a true king of the ancient royal line.

Matllda (Margaret's granddaughter) was the rightful heir to the English throne but her cousin, Stephen, probably a "dragon" of sorts but of the conquering, murderous Viking type, stole it from her, sparking a civil war ('the Anarchy'). The affair ended with a deal whereby Stephen remained king under the condition that Matilda & Geoffrey's son, Henry II, would take the throne after Stephen's death. The first 'Stewart' of the British Isles (I forgot his "pre-Stewart" name) was eventually given that title for crossing the Channel to England from Brittany to help Margaret and her daughter fight for (the younger) Matilda's crown.

When the son of Margaret's granddaughter Matilda and Geoffrey of Anjou's son, Henry II, ascended the thone, real elven/dragon blood was restored to English kingship. But it died out with the War of the Roses (that, according to Nicholas de Vere), and the rise of a Tudor, thinly (and controversially) connected to the royal line.

On an aside, I think the Cross of St. Andrew (Scottish flag) and the Cross of St. George (English flag) were actually adopted in homage to king Andrew of Hungary and his son, George, the later of who accompanied Margaret to Scotland and whose descendants are the Drummond clan.

[23investigator]

@ elreb; good one!

@ 23investigator; I have had the same experience - I've never been to Poland, but I've had the pleasure to visit a couple of parts of eastern Europe.

Also, this appears to shed some light on (St.) Margaret, Queen to Malcom III of Scotland. She was born in Hungary to one of the last "elves" of England, Edward "the Exile", an uncrowned English king who took refuge in the courts of both Vladimir Grand Prince of Kiev and Andrew King of Hungary (where his wife gave birth to Margaret) but was murdered on his return to England nine years before the Norman Invasion (at which point Margaret, her mother, whose identity is somewhat of a mystery, and an entourage of Hungarian royals fled to Scotland, where Margaret subsequently married king Malcom). Above Margaret's head in her chapel in Edinburgh is a white cross on blue, the arms of which are decorated with "fleur-de-lis" tips. (I have written about Margaret here in this thread.)

When the son of Margaret's granddaughter Matilda and Geoffrey of Anjou's son, Henry II, ascended the thone, real elven/dragon blood was restored to English kingship. But it died out with the War of the Roses (that, according to Nicholas de Vere), and the rise of a Tudor, thinly (and controversially) connected to the royal line.

On an aside, I think the Cross of St. Andrew (Scottish flag) and the Cross of St. George (English flag) were actually adopted in homage to king Andrew of Hungary and his son, George, the later of who accompanied Margaret to Scotland and whose descendants are the Drummond clan.

Dear 'Sanders'

I had written a previous response to this, where I guess I was 'venting my spleen'.

Thankgoodness the "great hand of Providence", stepped in, with two involuntary jabs on the cursor, wiping out what was better left alone.

Such experiences are very 'humbling'.

So here goes a reword.

Something that has bothered me for some considerable time now, is this consideration of "bloodline".
We all have blood, very high percentage of it water, carrying various cells 'generated' in our own body, mostly in the spine it seems.
The composition of our body again with a very high percentage of water, within the cell and extra cell matter.
All this fed with chemicals and nutrients, circulating in the blood to the many cells in our body.

A healthy body, does not need much more than nutrient and chemical conveying foods, and water, the rest it looks after itself.

So where does this "bloodline" come into it.

As I see, no more than, a series of people who over the history of time, have caused a lot of "bloodletting", to maintain what they see as their entitlement of 'bloodline', occasionaly even taking to their own, if the perceived dynamics, are not suited to their vision.

To me, this does not show a lot, for them.

Even less for imposters.

Robert S

ps; if you want this shifted, or even removed, I have no problem with that,
it is not aimed directly at you, I hope you appreciate that.

[elreb]

So where does this "bloodline" come into it.

We may have covered this on another threat however Herodotus had pointed out that there were four races of humans in Libya [Africa]

The two native were the white Berbers and the black Bantus.

The two non-native were the Phoenicians and the Greeks. Both of these being boat builders.

Of these boat builders, you had the sons of Adam and the sons of Noah.

The sons of Adam felt that they were created by god himself, who gave them the knowledge to read, write, construct cities and thus the right to rule over others.

Both the political right and the religious right believe themselves special and from this; have the right to kill and murder everyone else. The crusades area good example of this!