The Dragon Blood-line Options

[elreb]

Sanders, you are the expert on the AD stuff.

Greek for heaven is Ouranous.

Uranus (Ancient Greek: Οὐρανός), was the father of Cronus (Saturn) and grandfather of Zeus/Amen (Jupiter).

The key words I see are “Ur” and “Anu”…

In the case of “Aur” = never ending light

In the case of “Anu”, I believe it to recall the supernova of the “Dog Star” which scorched the Earth and cause severe DNA damage to those who were first exposed to the UV radiation. [A new beginning]

Verbal history would remember an enormous event of this type.

[Sanders]

The true early origin of ANU appears to be a place - near the Black and Caspian Seas - there is an 'Anu Jur' river, aka the presently named Akhurian river (which bears a curious resemblence to Akkhad), which runs into the Caspian Sea from the Caucasus. That doesn't mean that the place wasn't named for the "god". But, this hypothesis would be quite plausible if, as de Vere asserts, the early priest-kings of Sumer were migrants from an alleged Ubaid kingdom in and around the Black & Caspian Seas, i.e. Scythia. This, again, is supported by a collection of archeological finds. (Tartarian texts which predate the Sumerian tablets, tall, red-haired royal mummies found all over the Taklamakan desert...)

De Vere speculates that some of these ancestors of the elven caste, the later of which included the Pharoahs, the Davidic line, the kings and kagans of the Tocharian tribes of the Asian steppes, the Merovingians, the Royal Picts and Druids of Ireland and Scotland, as well as Jesus himself, left Scythia after a flooding of the Black Sea, which geologists now believe occurred when the Mediterranean breached a land bridge which is now the Bosporus straight, flooding the Black Sea and its basin (the Black Sea was much smaller and lower before this event) about 5600 B.C. Some refugees (or most likely their descendants) eventually found their way to Sumer (and, being the smartest guys & gals in the room, took over and created a great civilization). Next stop, Egypt.

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EDIT:

I find it interesting that there have been significant archeological finds in Ugarit, on the Syrian coast which, apparently, date to nearly 5000 B.C. - smack dab, time-wise, between the fairly-well confirmed 7600 year-old flooding of the Black Sea and the earliest finds in southern Iraq, in what was Sumer. The implication being, that some "elven" refugees from the Black Sea, along the greater trek to what would become Sumer, split off and settled in what would become Ugarit in the Levant. This is just speculation on my part, but I remind that there is scientific evidence that the original 48 constellations were nomified by a people living at the 36th parallel close to 5000 years ago, and the only significant civilization at that time and at that parallel was Ugarit.

(What makes this information fun, is that Hungarians, who live in the Carpathian Basin, an ancient homeland of the Ubaid, after their ancestors migrated to Mongolia and back, speak a tongue called "Ugric"!)

[elreb]

Apparently, Belus and his twin brother Agenor were both born in Memphis.

Belus remained on the Nile while Agenor moved up the coast and built a fortress at Ugarit.

Wouldn’t this make them Phoenicians?

We see Belus in the form of Ba-al with the tall white crown at Ugarit.


I have no problem with a Neolithic Ugarit, however the 1800 BC and later dated are 100% corrupt due to cross dating.

[Sanders]

We find, if we are looking, versions of that name-word, 'Belus'/Ba'al', everywhere. The "handmaiden" mother of Dan and Nephtali (the later curiously similar to Nephalim!?). This was code - the tribes of Dan and Nephtali were "dragon" tribes, confirmed by the Tribe of Dan's serpent flag, and the reluctance of either tribe to embrace the new religion.

Bela, Beru, Belus, Ba'al - they all meant over-lord.

[lunk]

We find, if we are looking, versions of that name-word, 'Belus'/Ba'al', everywhere. The "handmaiden" mother of Dan and Nephtali (the later curiously similar to Nephalim!?). This was code - the tribes of Dan and Nephtali were "dragon" tribes, confirmed by the Tribe of Dan's serpent flag, and the reluctance of either tribe to embrace the new religion.

Bela, Beru, Belus, Ba'al - they all meant over-lord.

i think it may have something to do with the words, bell and ball, too.
like symbol (sim-(ulated)-bell) and eye-ball (eye of Ra, watching over everyone).

Have a wonderful summer!

[Sanders]

You may not be far off the mark Lunk, the Ring of Lordship, the Ouroboros (snake eating its tail), etc. But, I don't know the true etymology of "ball", nor do I trust what would surely come up if I googled it.

I just added a "disclaimer" at the top of most of the pages of this thread, in red so no one can miss it. It reads:


[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]

[elreb]

Bela, Beru, Belus, Ba'al - they all meant over-lord.

I think that Ba’al [in terms as an over lord], is as simple as comparing Elohim to “El” and Aleim to “Al” both being a generic name for god or lord.

“Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani” = My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?

Allah = god = ʾinšāʾ Allāh (meaning "God willing")

[Sanders]

I think that Ba’al [in terms as an over lord], is as simple as comparing Elohim to “El” and Aleim to “Al” both being a generic name for god or lord...)

You are totally correct - there were lots of "Ba'al"s (Lords), Ba'al Hammon for one example.

[elreb]

You are totally correct - there were lots of "Ba'al"s (Lords), Ba'al Hammon for one example.

I get my cake and eat it too.

I get Phoenician, 600 BC and Hammon [Ra Amon] or Ham Amon

The worship of Baʿal Hammon flourished in the Phoenician colony of Carthage.

His supremacy among the Carthaginian gods dates 600 to 400 BC…

[elreb]

Not sure if you were aware of this…

Oldest modern humans found at La Brana Aritero in Leon, Spain…Cantabrian mountain range.

DNA dated at 7000 years old.

"Despite their geographical distance, individuals from the regions corresponding to the current England, Germany, Lithuania, Poland and Spain shared the same mitochondrial lineage," Lalueza-Fox said.

Perfect...

[Sanders]

Well, in my current mind-state I'm thinking in terms of human DNA vs Elven DNA, and what happened to the latter and when.

Elreb, I'm sure you'll forgive me for following along on a parallel train of thought (the two will surely meet frequently).. I have it from both Henry Lincoln (Holy Blood Holy Grail) and, if memory serves, Nicholas de Vere as well (apologies to N. de Vere if this is not the case) that the last Royal houses of Europe to hold the distinction of being reservoirs of relatively pure "dragon", or "elven" blood (tied to Godfrey de Bouillon, the leader of the 1st crusade and member of the 'Grail family' in France) were the houses of Lorraine and Hapsburg. My own research confirms this.

Marie d'Antoinette, who (like her husband) lost her head during the French Revolution, was the wife of Louis XVI of France, as we all know. We had a short round of amusing posts about "Jack and Jill" of nursery rhyme fame as being synonymous with Louis XVI and Marie, and Louis' (suspected) failure to perform his role as a "grail" king, despite having a grail maiden for a wife, leading to his "breaking his crown" (losing the kingship, beheading). Note that 'Mary', 'Marian' (Robin Hood), or a 'Marie' were more titles than names - they denoted Grail Maiden status, and I recently posted that the skull bones of Mary of Magdalene which were confiscated when many Templars were arrested in France in 1307 were marked with a tag, CAPET LVIII m. M (not quite an 'M' but an 'm' with a loop, the sign of virgo, the virgin). The meaning being, obviously, these were the head bones of the 58th Mary/Marian/Marie.

Well, there's another story going on about this time (during the beheading of Louis and Marie) - the story of the Essex Junto, leaders of the Bostonian Brahmin families (Cabot, Lowell, Cushing, Perkins, with the assassin of Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr joining in), who were, while building up their family fortunes trading in the Opium and/or Slave trades in China and the West Indies respectively, were plotting with the British East India Company to derail the American Independence experiment.

One face of this multi-generational campaign to quash the American ideal of "bottom-up" prosperity and happiness through individual sovereignty was the overtaking of Mexico, which took place concurrent with the Civil War (which the blood and ideological descendants of the Essex Junto, their Scottish Rite Freemasonic Royalist supporters, and patrons among the Nobility in Britain had fomented by providing and supporting both Abolitionists in the North and Secessionists in the South - the Hegelian dialectic at work big-time even in our history books).

The Norman nobility of Britain, scared sh"tless by the gaining success of the American experiment, and the threat of its spread across the globe, with their (Scottish Rite) Freemason and Essex-Junto-descendant allies in America, plotted to derail the project with a two pronged attack - the Civil War and the takeover of Mexico, the later of which would hopefully provide a base of operations for further attempts to gain advantage and stop the insidious independence movement.

Mexico was indeed conquered (but only for a coupe of decades [EDIT - I checked, my memory failed me, Maximillian's reign lasted only 3 1/2 years], unfortunately for the plotters).

Who did these covert plotters on the world stage chose to play the role of King/Emperor in Mexico?

Maximillian, of course.

Who was he? Who were his family?

Maximillian was of the Hapsburg house, he was a close cousin of Marie d' Antoinette, with lots of Lorraine, Wittelsbach and Baden dukes and counts among his immediate anscestors!

This shocked me to my core.

Nicholas de Vere pleads empathy for the ancient dragons and elves, the wise and just (and, when warranted, terribly violent) rulers of antiquity and the "age of the fairies". I respect and grant him that, the (near) extermination of the elvish dragon race by the Church of Rome is both well documented and deplorable. ('Albigensian Crusade' MEANS, linguistically, 'crusade against the Elven race'! - they didn't even try to hide the purpose!!) - I also concur that Jesus was one of these "dragon-kings" by virtue of his elite Scythian-via-Egyptian blood, that Mary was a powerhouse of melatonin and provided the hormonal cocktail that made Jesus such a predominant figure in history, and that that is why she was so highly regarded among those "Gnostic" (in the know) sects (Templars, Cathars) who were so violently destroyed by the Church and her clients. (Hey, if the truth got out, the Roman Catholic Church would have been DEAD.) Note: Mary and her children left Palestine at some point and sailed to Marseilles in southern France near the Lanquedoc. The Jewish kingdom (actually a Christian-Jewish kingdom, because these people were Jews, like Jesus, who were also Christians, because they believed in Christ, but believed because they KNEW - 'know' being synonymous with "Gnosis" - hense, "Gnostics" - the descendants of Christ were right there in their land and in their blood! ... This threat to the Roman Church, the treat of a real-story toppling a pile of made-up ones, the 'Cathar Heresy', or, the 'Magdalene Heresy', was dealt with in very thorough fashion. The Albigensian Crusade ... 40 years of killing.)

But the Grail family continued from Anna to Arthur, to the house of Anjou, to Godfrey of Bouillon, and to, after many generations, the houses of Lorraine and Hapsburg.

So, and this is what bothers me, the House of Hapsburg(/Lorraine) was in league with the British East India Company, the Norman British elite, and the Essex Junto clans, in stopping the American experiment, evidence provided by Maximillian offered up as Emperor of Mexico.

Maybe, a couple (or a few) thousand years ago, a "dragon" or "elf" as king or queen, was the way to go. I accept that those "Great" kings were good at what they did, and we know them as such because of that. But, to learn that their blood-descendants have apparently been conspicuous as being complicit in the various plots to derail an independent and sovereign American Nation?

If the true dragons are truly gone, and if they were indeed such wise and just rulers, God bless them (or, Satan bless them, whichever is appropriate).

If their "religion", symbology, and place in the world was hijacked (in the Medieval period, the window provided by the Church of Rome) by "warriors" and, later, "tinkers", both with tentative connections to the ancient bloodlines, but sharing none of the important qualities, which I believe is the case, then a pox on them. (Them being the later, the ursupers, the hijackers.)

If they are still here among us behind the curtain, if they indeed are the force behind the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, the plotters who fomented the Civil War, the bankers who are trying to destroy the American experiment at present via their Machiavellian tactics and Hegelian constructs, that is, if the "dragons", even if they are usurpers of the lineage, of this world, happen to be the leaders of the Council on Foreign Relations and are the arch-enemies of "down-up" individual sovereignty, which is what America is based on, then I proclaim energetically my dissent.

[23investigator]

Well, in my current mind-state I'm thinking in terms of human DNA vs Elven DNA, and what happened to the latter and when.

If they are still here among us behind the curtain, if they indeed are the force behind the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, the plotters who fomented the Civil War, the bankers who are trying to destroy the American experiment at present via their Machiavellian tactics and Hegelian constructs, that is, if the "dragons", even if they are usurpers of the lineage, of this world, happen to be the leaders of the Council on Foreign Relations and are the arch-enemies of "down-up" individual sovereignty, which is what America is based on, then I proclaim energetically my dissent.

Dear 'Sanders'

'That-aboy',
now you are showing us,
you 'got balls'.

Robert S

[elreb]

We do not disagree only that my train goes from West to East and yours goes from East to West.

I’m a BC person who reads geology and the development of intelligence.

I associate Dragon blood with a written language.

[Sanders]

My train, actually (thanx to Nicholas de Vere having cleared it up for me), goes north to south (and points east and west as well probably), from Carpathia and the plains west of the Black Sea, south (apparently after the Mediterranean broached the previous land bridge, the Bosphorus Straights causing a Black Sea flood) to Anatolia and Mesopotamia. Artifacts 7000 years old which point to "mother-goddess-worship" and other religious tags that harken to later pagan sects in Canaan, Sumer and elsewhere have been dug up both in Turkey and Ugarit.

On a side note, I misrepresented above the length of Maximillian's reign in Mexico - I checked, it was only 3 1/2 years!

Interesting, Cinco de Mayo, Mexican independence from Maximillian's short reign, is hardly celebrated in Mexico. One state, Puebla, celebrates 'El Día de la Batalla de Puebla', but it's a marginal holiday, nothing like the Cinco de Mayo celebrations in the US. The deep-rooted reason for this paradox is, that the ousting of Maximillian was as much a victory for the US as it was for Mexico, since the initial motivation for the British & European elite to take over Mexico was to destabilize the United States.

People, at least some of them, back then, knew it.

[@ Robert S, yes I do have balls, last time I checked. I appreciate the support - in fact, I was very anxious about that post, and your reply put me at ease. Thank you.]

[elreb]

To quote General Patton: “I’m my favorite General”!

I envision the Titans as coming from Atlandis in the Atlantic Ocean when you could still walk from Briton to Britney on dry land.

I envision a time when the Mediterranean Sea was a fresh water lake and stood above the Atlantic.

It was at the Strait of Gibraltar where a flood began, raising the Sea level which in turned caused the people to scatter.

I see a relationship between Noah and Poseidon.

[Sanders]

Are you sure the Mediterranean wasn't LOWER than the Atlantic, and a breaching of Gibralter didn't result in a second breach of the Bosphorus? I've never heard of this theory, but I can envision it. I do know that there is evidence of a Black Sea flood in BC 5000 or earlier.

[elreb]

Are you sure the Mediterranean wasn't LOWER than the Atlantic, and a breaching of Gibralter didn't result in a second breach of the Bosphorus? I've never heard of this theory, but I can envision it. I do know that there is evidence of a Black Sea flood in BC 5000 or earlier.

I have already provided the evidence in the past.

Tomorrow I will repost it again. You only need look at Google Earth.

The following story is part two.

Around 640 BC the plateau of Libya was called the Island of Platea because the water level was very high.

The Thereans paid Corobius to come with them to Thera and shortly after, with a small party and Corobius as pilot, they set sail for Libya. [Africa]

The men landed on the Island Platea and left Corobius there with enough supplies for a short while and then returned to their island bringing good news about finding the new colony.

Corobius agreed to wait on the Island Platea for a length of time however his supplies began to run out.

Luckily, a Samian vessel bound for Memphis under command of Colaeus was re-routed to the Island of Platea due to poor weather conditions.

The crew gave Corobius enough food to last one year.

Colaeus and his crew were anxious to reach their destination as easterly winds prevented them to travel to Memphis and they were driven as west as the Pillar of Hercules (modern Strait of Gibraltar)

By their luck they landed at the wealthy trading post of Tartessus. [Andalusia] [640 BC]

Check this "Silver" guy out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arganthonios

[elreb]

Most likely no one has heard of this theory is because it is mine. The geology is all there.

Part One

For our purposes, I’ll use the term Gibraltar Arc which includes the Rock of Gibraltar.

At one point, southern Spain was connected to northern Morocco. In prehistoric times, as well as today, this area was inhibited by Berbers; otherwise known as “White Africans”. Some even have blond hair and blue eyes.

Portions of this area are covered with Atlas cedar, Cork Oak, Holm Oak and Spanish Fir. Good lumber for constructing boats.

Starting after the last Ice Age, the Sahara became lush with vegetation, rivers, lakes and teaming with water animals and crocodiles. It remained the Green Sahara until 1600 BC.

Beginning roughly 13,000 years ago a major shift in the Earth’s axis caused the then “South Pole” to start melting…flooding much of Africa.

A great deal of this water made its way to the “Mediterranean Lake” filling it to a point where many areas became Islands.

Over time and other natural events a “rift” tore thru the Gibraltar Arc raising the water level of the Atlantic Ocean. In fact, north Morocco is called “Rif”.

The hardest part for most people is to erase the false history created by mis-dating and cross-dating.

[Quest]

One Family, One Bloodline, One Rule

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOnV1DDPQQg...feature=related

[elreb]

Well, in my current mind-state I'm thinking in terms of human DNA vs Elven DNA, and what happened to the latter and when.

Part three

Functionally, my story has not changed.

Elven is a community in Morbihan, Brittany.

It is located about 10 miles from Vannes-Rennes where metal smiting and megaliths are found.

This is old school stomping ground of the Veneti/Eneti, otherwise known as Phoenicians and later as Venetian.

This is where I see “Poseidon” coming from. (e-ne-si-da-o-ne)

This was once a part of Atlandis.