The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

One Family, One Bloodline, One Rule

Hey Quest, long time no see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I haven't watched your video, I'm not in a place where I can - but its title probes me to comment.

The "dragon branches", I believe were diverse, and split off from one another very early in history, resulting in a very chaotic re-mixing in Europe following the fall of the Roman Empire. This remixing was made all the more chaotic by the presence and power of the Catholic Church, which fought for its own survival by trying to exterminate some of these dragon branches (whose Gnostic tenets and blood relation to the "Annointed One" threatened its very existence).

There was the Pict branch dominant in Ireland and Scotland, a sub-branch of which relocated and merged with the Anjou branch (this is the legend of Melusine), there are the Vikings, there are the Merovingians and their refugees in southern France and Bohemia (following Dagobert II's murder and the soon-after end of the Merovingian line as Frankish-kings), there are the Avars who migrated to southern France and merged with, probably, Merovingian refugees and another branch, that of the Savior and his melatonin powerhouse Mary of Magdala, there were the Khazar Kagans and their descendent princesses (one was Melissina), there were the Varangians, who I suspect were a mix of Avar and Angle (or, equally likely, Angevin) blood, and it is alleged by some that there were princesses of a "western" (Avar???) Jewish Exhilarch line who married into the Peppinid family. I'm probably unaware of other minor lines of descent. But these various lines, descended from the same Royal Scythian ancestors, were thrown into the mix together in the dark and misty Middle Ages. They mostly congregated together (to strengthen the blood), and the Catholic Church did everything in its power to (a) keep them from the throne and (b) erase their histories.

That said, the Vikings had diverged from the line of the Picts probably at least 3000 years ago - and while we find similarities between royalty in Scandinavian culture and myths and those of the Druids, they were very different peoples. The Vikings (and hense Normans) didn't have much, if any, Davidic or Pict blood in them (I don't think), and were more flexible with regard to the Catholic Church, trading loyalty and support in return for official (based on the fraudulent Donation of Constantine) recognition of Kingship. Hey, they were new on the block (invaded France only a few generations before William took over England).

So, my point is, most of these royal families, from the multitude of lines that converged on Europe after the fall of Rome, were "dragon branches" to varying degree. But they were all very different by virtue of many centuries of separation - some drank the menstrual blood of virgins, teaming with melatonin, given willingly, to increase the recipient's mental faculties. Others drank the blood of fallen foes in the heat of battle to get a rush from a different set of hormones (testosterone, adrenalin) to enhance the recipient's performance on the battle field. Some viewed the Catholic Church as traitorous to their own royal blood, others viewed it as a window of opportunity.

History, even "dragon history" is, I have come to appreciate, complicated.

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Please ingest the above with a grain of salt, my take on this aspect of a long history is limited by the extent of my own knowledge - I for one know that, I still have much to learn.

[Sanders]

Quest, I managed to watch about half of that. Then David Icke came on, what a kook. Sorry, I couldn't suffer any more.

[elreb]

Part five

Personally, I see the European “Dragon Blood” taking over Europe, Asia and Africa in about the same fashion they took over the Americas.

Ocean going, greedy modern men from Spain, England, France and Holland are traveling to primitive societies and ruling, raping and taking every resource in sight.

All waving the flag of the blood thirsty “Dragon” god…

[23investigator]

Part five

Personally, I see the European “Dragon Blood” taking over Europe, Asia and Africa in about the same fashion they took over the Americas.

Ocean going, greedy modern men from Spain, England, France and Holland are traveling to primitive societies and ruling, raping and taking every resource in sight.

All waving the flag of the blood thirsty “Dragon” god…

Dear 'elreb'

Including Australia.

But they keep very quiet about that.

Wonder why!

Robert S

[elreb]

But they keep very quiet about that.

It’s a good thing the US Federal government didn’t get their hands on Australia.

They would have turned the Aborigines into slaves or simply murdered them all…as they did with the Native American Indian.

[23investigator]

They would have turned the Aborigines into slaves or simply murdered them all…as they did with the Native American Indian.

Dear 'elreb'

What makes you think they didn't.
and
that is within just over the last 200 years.

Modus operandi of these types is consistent,
WHERE EVER,
and what must be, really remembered,
WHEN EVER.

Robert S

[Sanders]

That Australia turned out such a wonderful country (I've spent much time there), with some caveats, is sort of a miracle, when you factor in the brutality attached to its annexation by the British as a penal colony. (I've read many of the books.)

I can't speak to the plight of the Aborigines, I'm not versed. But, I know that many who survived transportation, starving men and women of the slums of England, many of whom were ejected for stealing bread, became the backbone of Australia, and Australians should not be so shy (or pompous) as to not grant just gratitude to their ancestors, many of whom fought through intolerable suffering and unjust verdicts to survive and produce offspring.

But Australians like to ignore their own history. I see no good reason why.

[23investigator]

That Australia turned out such a wonderful country \ when you factor in the brutality attached to its annexation by the British as a penal colony. (I've read many of the books.)

I can't speak to the plight of the Aborigines, I'm not versed.
But Australians like to ignore their own history.
I see no good reason why.

Dear 'Sanders'

Possibly because of the brief passage of time, which hardly makes it qualify as history, with many of us most likely ashamed of what went on here, the newer population of whom there are many, not included in those times.

Perhaps, that is what is molding us into a special race of people, time will only tell.

But one thing is certain, the bulk of the nation, old and new, feel, although not necessarily speak over much about it, that a great injustice was performed on the indigenous people.

Who only by their generosity of --spirit-- can forgive it.

Robert S

[elreb]

Who only by their generosity of --spirit-- can forgive it.

The history channel was just showing what hypocrites the Christian Europeans were. [And still are]

You take an oath to not covet or want your neighbor’s resources but it is fair game to raid other countries.

You were not supposed to worship images and statues, yet it is ok to go to another country and steal or destroy their images and statutes…replace them with yours…then force the population to worship your statutes under penalty of death.

[Sanders]

Well, here is where you find the dilemma.

How legitimate or tenuous were the blood-connections of the Norman nobles of England, who drove the colonization of places like India, Africa and Australia, to true and authentic "dragon-blood", i.e, the blood of Christ (interim priest-king of the Davidic line) or, that of Royal Elven Picts?

I (and others) have traced the blood-line of Jesus, 'the Nazarine', i.e., the Dragon-priest-king of the Davidic line, to Arthur of Grail legend, on to Godfroi of Bouillon leader of the 1st Crusade, and from there to the houses of Lorraine and Hapsburg. I recently read that the Stewarts (originally from Brittany, where several of the Dispnosyni - that is, the descendants of Jesus or his brothers and sisters, are said to have have wound up), as well claim descent from the "anointed one". Then there are other ancient families who claim descent from equally legitimate royal blood, though not (entirely) through Jesus - de Vere for one. This is a rich line born of Scythian Royal blood (from Scotland, tracing to the Tuatha d'Anu) merged with that of Anjou in the Frankish kingdom. I haven't quite sorted this out, but Anjou apparently derives from Ankhe, the Egyptian symbol of the Grail Ritual. Where the ancestors of the Fulks of Anjou got their "dragon blood", whether from the descendants of Jesus & Mary, or the Avars, or some other Exhilarch I haven't been able to pinpoint. But, I'm pretty confident that Melusine's marriage to a noble of Anjou was a merging of the Scythian and Davidic branches of the dragon, that that's why she has two serpent tails, and that this was important enough to be recorded (albeit in frustratingly vague myth).

I have, until recently, promoted the idea that the real Melusine of myth was Melissena, the Byzantine granddaughter of Michael Rangabe I, Eastern Emperor at the time of Charlemagne. Michael's coat of arms was a white cross on blue with fleur-de-lis tips, belying one (of many) symbols of the Grail, the white lily. But I'm starting to think that 'Melusine', or 'Melissena', or 'Melusinde' were all "TITLES" (much like a 'Mary', remember, the skull bones of Mary of Magdalene were noted in Templar evidence seized by the Church as those of the 58th 'Mary') more than names. They denoted Grail Maiden status, and so the myth of Melusine represents several maidens of the time who provided their historically important Kings, Fulks or Emperors with the Grail melatonin-rich hormone cocktail (ambrosia, nectar of the gods), the source of the capabilities and success of those kings, their 'Illumination'. (Check some of my earlier posts if you are not sure what I'm talking about.)

The Templar Knights, military guardians of "the grail", both the Grail 'secret' and the bloodline, evolved into the most powerful force in Christendom (of their time), creating an international commercial and banking powerhouse. But they had a great enemy, the Catholic Church, and they were targeted and forced underground. The Templar legacy survived however, and resurfaced as Freemasonry, and the extensive Templar knowledge of the sea routes of the world was the engine behind the British and Dutch East India Companies. Slightly earlier, the (disguised) Templar presence in Portugal and Spain had been driven out of those countries by the Spanish Inquisition, and Templar seamanship and power moved to places where the Catholic Church was weak at the time, England and Holland (thanx to the expulsion of Spain from the Netherlands and Elizabeth I having kicked the pope out of England).


I know I haven't quite connected all this to the mentality of the arrogant Norman nobles who were behind the brutal subjugation of peoples from India to Somalia to Australia, but .... I've been drinking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) - I'll finish this tomorrow.

[23investigator]

Well, here is where you find the dilemma.

How legitimate or tenuous were the blood-connections of the Norman nobles of England, who drove the colonization of places like India, Africa and Australia, to true and authentic "dragon-blood", i.e, the blood of Christ (interim priest-king of the Davidic line) or, that of Royal Elven Picts?

I know I haven't quite connected all this to the mentality of the arrogant Norman nobles who were behind the brutal subjugation of peoples from India to Somalia to Australia, but .... I've been drinking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) - I'll finish this tomorrow.

Dear 'Sanders'

Keep drinking pal, it's enough to drive anybody to drink,--lol--.

Robert S

[elreb]

I would suppose that if a person desired to pursue the course of “Mary and Jesus” it is suggested to study their history.

Gnostikos is Greek for learned and related to the word knowledge. [G = K]

I have already mentioned the Akhmin library was found in the royal town of Amenhotep.

Approximately 55 miles up the Nile River we find the Nag Hammadi library which was 30 miles from the Valley of the Kings where the Amenhotep’s are buried.

The Greek word Sophia equals wisdom. To “Iesous” [Hay-Zeus] wisdom was light and ignorance was darkness.

In the “Wisdom of Iesous Anointed” [Sophia of Jesus Christ]; “Iesous” explains how one must awaken to see the Truth.

I, who came from Infinite Light, I am here - for I know him (Light) - that I might speak to you about the precise nature of the truth.

For whatever is from itself is a polluted life; it is self-made.

Providence has no wisdom in it.

And fate does not discern. But to you it is given to know; and whoever is worthy of knowledge will receive (it), whoever has not been begotten by the sowing of unclean rubbing but by First Who Was Sent, for he is an immortal in the midst of mortal men."

"Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear. First Begetter Father is called 'Adam, Eye of Light,'

First Infinite Light…"All who come into the world, like a drop from the Light…that you might receive Light…the Great Light of the Male…Sons of Light…Amen.

Conclusion:

“Adam, Eye of light” was the “Aten-Ra”.

Amen was Amenhotep IV the person who brought about a departure from traditional religion.

[elreb]

The Nag Hammadi library is housed in Cairo, Egypt and includes:

Codex I:
The Prayer of the Apostle Paul
The Apocryphon of James (also known as the Secret Book of James)
The Gospel of Truth
The Treatise on the Resurrection
The Tripartite Tractate

Codex II:
The Apocryphon of John
The Gospel of Thomas a sayings gospel
The Gospel of Philip
The Hypostasis of the Archons
On the Origin of the World
The Exegesis on the Soul
The Book of Thomas the Contender

Codex III:
The Apocryphon of John
The Gospel of the Egyptians
Eugnostos the Blessed
The Sophia of Jesus Christ
The Dialogue of the Saviour

Codex IV:
The Apocryphon of John
The Gospel of the Egyptians

Codex V:
Eugnostos the Blessed
The Apocalypse of Paul
The First Apocalypse of James
The Second Apocalypse of James
The Apocalypse of Adam

Codex VI:
The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles
The Thunder, Perfect Mind
Authoritative Teaching
The Concept of Our Great Power
Republic by Plato - The original is not gnostic, but the Nag Hammadi library version is heavily modified with then-current gnostic concepts.
The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth - a Hermetic treatise
The Prayer of Thanksgiving (with a hand-written note) - a Hermetic prayer
Asclepius 21-29 - another Hermetic treatise

Codex VII:
The Paraphrase of Shem
The Second Treatise of the Great Seth
Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter
The Teachings of Silvanus
The Three Steles of Seth

Codex VIII:
Zostrianos
The Letter of Peter to Philip

Codex IX:
Melchizedek
The Thought of Norea
The Testimony of truth

Codex X:
Marsanes

Codex XI:
The Interpretation of Knowledge
A Valentinian Exposition, On the Anointing, On Baptism (A and B) and On the Eucharist (A and B)
Allogenes
Hypsiphrone

Codex XII
The Sentences of Sextus
The Gospel of Truth
Fragments

Codex XIII:
Trimorphic Protennoia
On the Origin of the World

[elreb]

A simple breakdown by Elreb…

“Lesous” the anointed, was attempting to bring “Light” [Wisdom and Knowledge] to mankind.

“Chshk” was darkness and “Nchsh” was the serpent who disobeyed “El”.

“Yaldabaoth” or Yalda-bahut is a corrupt “Dragon” person who is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruits of knowledge.

This dēmiourgos feared “Light” and “Wisdom”; as it deprived him of the gifts of greed and the pleasures of the material world.

It is still happening…and no-one is listening…

[Sanders]

Dear 'Sanders'

Keep drinking pal, it's enough to drive anybody to drink,--lol--.

Robert S

OK, I'll drink while I write then ... I just made a discovery that sheds a whole different light on this whole subject.

@elreb, I glanced over your posts, fascinating. I will go over them again (with a bunch of search-engine windows open probably, to try and follow along as I do!). Forgive me for continuing (in parallel) on my own train of thought.

It appears that the senior line of "elven" or "Davidic" blood in the world has, for a long time, been that of Hapsburg-Lorraine, which is really just the House of Lorraine, which renamed itself when the Austrian House of Hapsburg, their relations, died out with the death of Maria-Teresa, daughter of Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI, in 1780. (There are still living heirs of the house of Lorraine/Hapsburg-Lorraine.)

This royal house, according to the (thoroughly researched) book 'Holy Blood Holy Grail', has been closely tied to the Priory of Sion over many centuries, and the book's authors cite and document much evidence for this.

On a side-note, the official wisdom is that the Priory of Sion never existed, and that Henry Lincoln and his co-writers were on wacky-tabacky when they wrote 'Holy Blood Holy Grail' (- actually, that they had been the victims of a grand hoax). After the book was published, Pierre Plantard, the self-admitted submitter of 'Les Dossiers Secrets' into the Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris, admitted that he had forged the documents.

HOWEVER,

Anyone who has actually read Holy Blood Holy Grail is aware that Lincoln and his associates never took Les Dossiers at face value, but rather viewed it with great skepticism from the start and verified the information in those pages and numerous other documents via 2nd and 3rd sources, much of that confirmation deriving from documents hundreds of years old.

Secondly, the Priory of Sion did indeed exist, it is mentioned by name in centuries old documents relating to property transfers, etc. which Lincoln and his co-researchers dug up. It's all in the book.

Thirdly, the Plantard family is indeed (or is claimed to be) descended from Godfroi de Bouillon, i.e. the Grail Family.

Now to my "epiphany".

I have constructed a very large and detailed genealogy of a handful of interrelated families which comprised the aristocracy of America from before its inception up to about the turn of the 20th century. This tree includes members who (in concert) founded the Ivy League Schools like Yale, Harvard and Princeton, also members, some of whom shared the distinction of being in the previously noted group, who were 'found out' by Jefferson and John Quincy Adams for their traitorous plots and given a name, the "Essex Junto" (these families all lived in Essex county near Boston). An eye opening book, 'Treason in America' (by Anton Chaitkin) confirms all this.

Chaitkin's book also confirms what other things I've read allude to, that the Essex Junto was in league with the British East India Company (that's not hard to believe, these families all made their fortunes in the Chinese Opium Trade or the West Indies Slave Trade, those markets both having been in the providence of the British and Dutch East India Companies, which enforced their lucrative monopolies with the force of gun-ships. Chaitkin alludes, and I concur, that the British East India Company, an economic powerhouse that at its peak accounted for half of the economy of the British Empire, along with the British nobility whose cousins we are talking about and who held shares in the company, allowed these Bostonian families entrance into the lucrative Opium and Slave trades, in order to enhance those Bostonians' ability to stop the American Independence movement (in vain)). A third party (or aspect) in this conspiratorial and multi-generational anti-independence conflict was the Scottish Rite branch of Freemasonry. Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and the Marquis de Lafayette were all Masons, but masons of a very different branch (I'm sorry I can't remember the official name of the branch), but it was both separate and opposed to the Scottish Rite.

In several passages of Lincoln & associate's book (Holy Blood Holy Grail) the descendants of the Grail Family are described as having intimate relations with the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. One Charles Radcliffe, a (historically very important) man allegedly having taken his turn as one of the Grand Masters of the Priory of Sion, apparently had a hand in actually creating the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

Meanwhile, in the colonies, you had all of these families descended from Normans, nearly all of which included an ancestor who fought with William the Conqueror at Hastings, the families of which received lands and title in England and a seat at the table of Anglo-American back-room plotting, the goal of which through the later 18th & 19th centuries was to stop the American experiment any way possible. This Essex-Junto/Scottish-Rite/British-East-India-Company conspiracy was the impetus behind both the Abolitionist movement in the North, and the Secessionist movement in the south, colliding and causing the War between the States, the very intention of the players behind the scenes. (Unfortunately for them, Lincoln won that war - but was soon after assassinated so as to get rid of both him and his "greenbacks".)

Then, it seems, this (by now) incestuously intermarried group of wealthy plotters and antagonizers decided it would be easier to take over the American government from the inside rather than by force, and a few decades later, the wealthiest of these people organize in spectacular fashion. They create a number of charitable foundations (Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, etc.), they use their influence to pass a Federal Reserve Act and take control of the issuance of America's money, and, as confirmed in an interview of Norman Dodd by G. Edward Griffin (who relates the contents of actual minutes recorded at and provided by the Carnegie Endowment), they conspired to get America involved in WWI.

HERE is where the hijacking of America really began in ernest. These meetings prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve and the entrance of the US in WWI are not rumor, Norman Dodd was given access to the minutes and he describes what these men talked about in his interview.

Should we include the House of Hapsburg/Lorraine as potential co-conspirators in this hijacking of America? Jesus was a King of the Davidic line, his descendants (who include the House of Lorraine) would have been monarchists by nature, and would, one would think, have shared with the British Norman nobility an abhorrence of American independence. Furthermore, the house of Lorraine had connections to the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, one of the main engines behind the opposition to the American experiment, as exposed in great detail by Henry Lincoln and his co-researchers.

Then I discovered that Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austro-Hungary, the man assassinated as a pretext for starting the First World War, was the senior of the House of Hapsburg-Lorraine, and that the the line officially was extinguished with his assassination!!!!

These people, I do not know them nor all their names, but I do know that they are very smart, plan patiently, and act only once they know they can succeed. I also know that they generally plan things in such as way as to achieve multiple goals when they act.

What did they (whoever "they" are - I can say only that they were a coalition of rich people descended from Norman aristocrats and German Jewish bankers) achieve by unleashing "the Great War" on Europe, and consequently sucking in America's involvement?

Many fold.

They kicked the Ottoman Turks, who were allied with Germany, out of Persia, where oil had been discovered in 1908 - insuring a continuation of a Rothschild (Dutch Royal Shell Co.) and Rockefeller (Standard Oil) monopoly on oil in an era where the market for oil use to power combustion engines was about to explode.

They wrested Palestine (the Holy Land) from those same Ottoman Turks, and promised it to the Jews. (Not because "they" were Jewish, or even pro-Jewish, but because the Jewish cause provided a convenient excuse to populate the area with non-Arab clients - who would later be enticed to war with their neighbors ... conflict is the tool of the Hegelian Dialectic ... new order is born out of conflict, just as creation is the product of the merging/colliding of dualistic opposites.)

I defend my position on this point, Lord (Walter Lionel) Rothschild was not interested in the Zionist cause when he was approached by Theodor Herzl, he told him (as per Herzl's own published diary) that the idea sounded too "Jewish", and that Herzl consider taking Uganda (laugh) instead. Anyway, the Rothschilds did not drive the Zionist movement, rather they were presented with the concept and considered it, and largely rejected it. But, after oil was discovered in Persia, opinions changed.

The third goal which the fomentors of WWI aspired to was, forgive the quote-marks, "One-World-Government". James Paul Warburg stated in front of a sub-committee of the US Senate in 1950 that "We will have one-world-government, whether by consent or by conquest" ... or something very close to that (I quoted from memory).

Well, the first baby-step in that direction was the League of Nations. Unfortunately for the elite who were driving at a "new world order", most Nations of the world found no advantage in being members of this stupid international contrivance, and quit.

The marginal failures attached to the outcome of WWI, the failure of the League of Nations to survive as an institution, and the failure of Jewish families of Europe to up-root and move to the new British Mandate of Palestine (why should we move to the desert!??!) insured a second round, WWII, which, thanx to Hitler, succeeded. (Now you know why the Harrimans, aided by Prescott Bush, were rewarded for their help in funding Hitler and and the Nazis.)

The big question is, was the House of Hapsburg/Lorraine, apparent reservoir of the Blood of the Merovingians and Jesus the annointed King of the line of David, whose line has been tied to the avid monarchial-supporting Scottish Rite faction of Freemasonry, complicit in the Machiavellian political maneuverings born in the board-rooms of the tax-exempt foundations (specifically, those of the Carnegie Endowment) which Norman Dodd attests to with regard to the entrance of the US into WWI?

Read it again if you didn't quite get that. Norman Dodd attested, in an interview with G. Edward Griffin, to "minutes" of meetings prior to WWI which were read and recorded by one of his assistants, in pursuit of knowledge of what went on within these foundations at the behest of Congress (he was director of Research for the Reece Commission).

Well, I named a few of the goals, a couple achieved, a few of which it would take WWII to finally achieve (The UN, the World Bank, the IMF, a viable State of Israel). I also noted that these people "behind the curtain" are really smart, plan their moves carefully, and usually aim at the forwarding of several goals at once by a single, well-planned act.

There was one other goal achieved by the plotters when WWI was successfully provoked. The virtual extermination of the line of Hapsburg-Lorraine.

Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austro-Hungary, whose assassination was used as a pretext to start WWI, was the head of the Hapsburg-Lorraine line, and his assassination effectively ended the family's participation on the world stage.

So, it appears that there were at least two factions, both of which, being monarchial, were disturbed by the American experiment and lent their support to the Scottish Rite to try and stop it, but in the end both convinced the other side that they were competing for the same thing, and things got ugly. Ultimately the line of Jesus and the Merovingians was out-maneuvered by a separate "dragon" (or "dragon-wanna-be"?) branch, that of the Norman conquerors of England (and, in their service, their American colonial descendants/co-conspirators).

I have been wrestling with this for months. The fact that Archduke Franz-Ferdinand was the then-head of the Hapsburg-Lorraine line confirms to me that the Norman guys trying to get their claws into the American experiment and destroy it were not friendly to the Hapsburg-Lorraine line of Jesus and the Merovingians, rather, they saw it as a threat, and took steps to destroy it.

[elreb]

Holy Mackerel

Download and save this.

It will be hard to understand for most folks…the translations have been generalized and not true to form.

Adam and Eve had a daughter.

http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/nhl.pdf

[Sanders]

Elreb, thank you for posting that amazing link. Folks, these are the Nag Hammadi texts (!!!!). I have read only excerpts from them, but have never been able to find this kind of access on the web.

These are the Gnostic books related to Jesus rejected (and suppressed) by the budding Catholic Church, most which predate the books of the Canonic Bible. The mother of the guy who found them in a clay pot on his Egyptian farm (in the 50's), sadly, burned several of the parchments for lack of firewood before it became apparent what her son had actually found.

[Sanders]

To briefly amend my previous post about the two monarchial camps, Franz Ferdinand, the Essex Junto, etc ....

There is an old Bostonian drinking cheer, it goes like this:

Here's to dear ol' Boston
Home of the bean and the cod
Where Lowells speak only to Cabots
And Cabots speak only to God.

These were the dominant families of Essex county, who, along with the Perkins, Russells and a few others, comprised the 'Essex Junto', as well as being the first Americans to profit from the Opium and Slave trades. I touched on their collusion with the British East India Company, but I left out an interesting detail. They and the British East India Company all were serviced by the same (British East India sponsored) bank, Barings.

These families are known to history as the 'Brahmin' families of Essex. The original (true) Brahmin were the noble (i.e. dragon, elven) class in the Hindu caste system. (I think the term as applied to the Bostonians exaggerated their status of those slave traders and opium pushers, however rich they might have been - but I grant that the term is a testimonial to the arrogance of these ancestors of the elite of America since their time.)

Another detail which is interesting, especially considering Nicholas de Vere's writings about the occult and witchcraft, is that Salem, Massachussettes was IN Essex county. At least one of these Essex Junto members (that I know of) signed a document testifying as to the innocence of one accused witch.

[23investigator]

Elreb, thank you for posting that amazing link. These are the Gnostic books related to Jesus rejected (and suppressed) by the budding Catholic Church, most which predate the books of the Canonic Bible. The mother of the guy who found them in a clay pot on his Egyptian farm (in the 50's), sadly, burned several of the parchments for lack of firewood before it became apparent what her son had actually found.

Dear 'Sanders'

That story 'varies' a little, but as we know, it is no use crying over spilt milk, or for that matter toasted papyrus leaf, or whatever they used, (probably just as well it wasn't), or there might have been nothing left, but there is still very much.

Yes, thankyou 'Elreb'.
There is a time and a place for all things, the most exciting bit, is what is yet to be revealed, then what follows that as it always does.

The amusing part, is who God uses, to do this, along the way.

Robert S

[elreb]

I am actually wasting the paper and ink to print all 300 pages.

I get “Chicken Skin” just reading them.

I can see why the church prohibited their publication.