What Does "ten" Or "10" Mean?, For the errr... philosophical among us... Options

[adam_zapple]

[Split per Admin request by d from:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13846
Yipes.... just yipes...- dMole]

Here's something most of 'them' will never understand:

There are ten types of people in this world; those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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LOL @ Turbo. Did you make that mistake on purpose or do you really not understand binary?

[dMz]

LOL @ Turbo. Did you make that mistake on purpose or do you really not understand binary?

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[adam_zapple]

If someone doesn't understand the humour behind that joke, they likely don't know binary at all.

Just for sake of clarity, the binary represenation for the number 2 is...10

I'll give you a cookie if you can convert that to Hex, Adam.

I understand the humor, and I understand binary...but what makes this so funny is that you don't seem to understand it!
10 in binary is not expressed as "ten". If you really understood binary you would have known that.

You can keep the cookie, the answer is 2.

[dMz]

I understand the humor, and I understand binary...but what makes this so funny is that you don't seem to understand it!
10 in binary is not expressed as "ten".

FYI Adam:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hairsplitting

Main Entry:
hair·split·ter Listen to the pronunciation of hairsplitter
Pronunciation:
\ˈher-ˌspli-tər\
Function:
noun
Date:
1849

: one that makes excessively fine distinctions in reasoning
— hair·split·ting Listen to the pronunciation of hairsplitting \-ˌspli-tiŋ\ adjective or noun
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EDIT:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pun

pun (pn)
n.
A play on words, sometimes on different senses of the same word and sometimes on the similar sense or sound of different words.
intr.v. punned, pun·ning, puns
To make puns or a pun.
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[adam_zapple]

Wow, you're a pretty crusty and dry kinda guy.

You see, if you had a sense of humour, you would have laughed instead of questioning my comprehension of binary.

I did laugh, but not for the reasons you intended.

There's no need to express the ambiguity behind the binary base 2 value 10, and it's close visiaul relationship to the decimal base 10 value of 10 in that joke.

Exactly. That's the joke. 10 looks like ten, but it is not.
I get how the joke is supposed to work, but you butchered it.
You can't substitute the word "ten" for a binary value of 10.

10 in binary = "one zero" or "two", not "ten"

Just another GL trying to spin the more important facts here. Go back to the govt loyalist site and tell your friends they got owned.

haha...yes, anyone who understands binary is a Government Loyalist. You owned yourself when you pretended to understand that joke

[adam_zapple]

FYI Adam:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hairsplitting

Main Entry:
hair·split·ter Listen to the pronunciation of hairsplitter
Pronunciation:
\ˈher-ˌspli-tər\
Function:
noun
Date:
1849

: one that makes excessively fine distinctions in reasoning
— hair·split·ting Listen to the pronunciation of hairsplitting \-ˌspli-tiŋ\ adjective or noun
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EDIT:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pun

pun (pn)
n.
A play on words, sometimes on different senses of the same word and sometimes on the similar sense or sound of different words.
intr.v. punned, pun·ning, puns
To make puns or a pun.
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FYI Dmole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_joke

This joke relies on the fact that mathematical expressions, just as expressions in natural languages, may have multiple meanings. When multiple meanings are available, puns are possible. In this case a pun is made using the expression 10. For non-mathematicians or non-computer programmers 10 almost always refers to the number ten. However, in binary, the expression 10 means the number two. Thus the joke says that there are only two kinds of people, those who understand binary, and those who don't. However, those who do not understand binary will certainly not get the joke. This joke is only feasible in written form; when speaking a binary number aloud, "10" would be phrased as "one zero" or simply "two", rather than "ten".

[adam_zapple]

Buddy, it's a f*cking JOKE! Get over it! I didn't write it! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

So you copy-pasted it from someone else, pretending you knew what it meant?

You GL's crack me up!

Anyone who could think I don't know binary after explaining the FDR system is just plain ignorant.

Actually, I think you don't know binary after replacing a binary value of 10 with the word "ten".

Geez, you think I would have learned that stuff in College and 15+ years in the field as an Electronics Engineer? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Apparently you didn't.

Give it up, and get back on topic please.

Are you able to at least admit your mistake?
I think it's quite funny that you tried to say that your opponents would not understand this joke (an attempt to bash them), when you didn't even understand it yourself.
Do you now understand why "ten" cannot be substituted for a binary value of 10?

This post has been edited by adam_zapple: Jul 16 2008, 11:50 AM

[rob balsamo]

Back on topic please.

Mods, please split out the off topic posts so adam can no longer pursue his agenda to derail this FDR thread.

Adam, feel free to twist in the breeze once the off topic posts are split out to the new thread. You may be able to derail threads at your forum when you are backed into a corner, but it wont happen here. You reply to this notice further sending this thread off topic, you will be sent on vacation.

[adam_zapple]

This is how ignorant Adam_zapple really is:

They even have t-shirts, you should get one!!! Maybe PFT members can pitch in a few cents each and buy you a shirt?!

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No, I understand the joke perfectly, you still clearly do not.

Look at that shirt, and look at what you posted, see if you notice the important difference.

There are ten types of people in this world; those who understand binary, and those who don't.

Don't call other people ignorant when the mistake is clearly yours.

[adam_zapple]

Back on topic please.

Mods, please split out the off topic posts so adam can no longer pursue his agenda to derail this FDR thread.

Adam, feel free to twist in the breeze once the off topic posts are split out to the new thread. You may be able ot derail threads at your forum when oyu are backed into a corner, but it wont happen here. You reply to this notice further sending this thread off topic, you will be sent on vacation.

Already posted when I saw this, go ahead & split to another topic, we can conclude this discussion there.

[rob balsamo]

TF, you're now a mod of this debate forum. Feel free to split out/delete what you wish.

[dMz]

FYI Dmole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_joke

This joke relies on the fact that mathematical expressions, just as expressions in natural languages, may have multiple meanings. When multiple meanings are available, puns are possible. In this case a pun is made using the expression 10. For non-mathematicians or non-computer programmers 10 almost always refers to the number ten. However, in binary, the expression 10 means the number two. Thus the joke says that there are only two kinds of people, those who understand binary, and those who don't. However, those who do not understand binary will certainly not get the joke. This joke is only feasible in written form; when speaking a binary number aloud, "10" would be phrased as "one zero" or simply "two", rather than "ten".

I like how your selectively-chronological reply is "tweaked" to make it look like Adam's opinion is actually Wikipedia's opinion above. Why am I not surprised? Are you Morton Devonshire by any chance "Adam?" Are you one of the persons involved in this "campaign" perhaps?

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights...currentPage=all

Oh BTW, you edited/deleted one of my pointed questions out of context in your "reply" on that other thread. Here it is again for your convenience:

#316:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10746634

"Adam,

If you are incapable of seeing that the structural integrity of approximately the upper 1/3 of the VOLUME of either tower was compromised (to the point of airborne dust hanging over Manhattan for at least a week afterward) BEFORE the lower 2/3 of either tower exhibited a "spherically gravitational"-WTF?? migration many directions except "downward," then there is likely nothing you can gain here. Are you just wasting your time and ours here Adam?"

Oh yes the answer to that #2 question that you apparently got "stuck" on is posted repeatedly by several people over there, in posts #301-324 inclusive. That reminds me, we've got about 84 unanswered questions waiting for you over there Adam. Here we are a day later, on a different thread, splitting semantical hairs about what the 3 letters "ten" mean, instead of answering yesterday's questions...

FYI Adam:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/obsessi...vedisorder.html

P.S. I think your "invitation" might be in the mail dude.

[adam_zapple]

I like how your selectively-chronological reply is "tweaked" to make it look like Adam's opinion is actually Wikipedia's opinion above. Why am I not surprised?

Actually, it was a direct quote from wikipedia, not my opinion. The bolding alone was mine. You must not have checked out the link.

Here we are a day later, on a different thread, splitting semantical hairs about what the 3 letters "ten" mean, instead of answering yesterday's questions...

It's not semantics, actually, unless you're one of those people who doesn't know what binary is ;-)

[dMz]

It's not semantics, actually, unless you're one of those people who doesn't know what binary is ;-)

Hey chucklehead-smart-guy-san, why didn't you read that entire thread before you attempted to de-rail it off topic?

#7
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10746731
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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a...mlin103535.html

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln"

EDIT: Wow, I'm not a Wikipedia guru. [I was kind of busy at the time, modding this topic of utmost importance that Adam brought to the discussion. Maybe I'll go read Wiki next week... ]. Props to Adam... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/worthy.gif)

EDIT2: The paragraph in question was off my computer screen, and the Administration had previously requested a split topic. After splitting the topic, I needed to move Adam's post #18 from the original to this thread. Reading the Wiki was a lower priority at that particular moment.

Reason for edit: I missed the Wiki paragraph.

[mrodway]

It is hard to imagine how they would actually debate a joke about number bases!

Lucky nobody mentioned the one about "Why do computer geeks celebrate Halloween on Christmas? :-)

[dMz]

Yup, mrodway...

I had to look that old joke up and found this one:
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We've all heard the "herding cats" analogy with regard to managing programmers. Managing sysadmins is like leading a neighborhood gang of neurotic pumas on jet-powered hoverbikes with nasty smack habits and opposable thumbs. Oh, and as a manager you're a neurotic junkie puma too, only they cut your thumbs off and whereas all the other pumas get to drive around on their badass hoverbikes and fire chainguns at the marketing department, YOU have to drive a maroon AMC Gremlin behind them and hand out Band-Aids and smile a lot, when all you're REALLY thinking about is how to get one of them to let you borrow his hoverbike for a few minutes so you can show those fools how it's DONE.

-- Benjy Feen
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I hope I don't get flamed or sued for this one:

Playing through

A priest, a doctor, and an engineer were waiting one morning at the third tee (par 3, 185 yards, slight dog leg to left, water hazard on the right) while a particularly slow group of golfers were flailing away ahead of them.

Engineer:
What's with these guys? We must have been waiting for 15 minutes!
Doctor:
I don't know but I've never seen such ineptitude!
Priest:
Hey, here comes the green keeper. Let's have a word with him.
Priest:
Hi George. Say George, what's with that group ahead of us? They're rather slow aren't they?
George:
Oh yes. That's a group of blind fire fighters. They lost their sight while saving our club house last year. So we let them play here anytime free of charge!
Doctor:
Wow! Thanks for the scoop George.
Priest:
That's so sad. I think I will say a special prayer for them tonight.
Doctor:
Good idea. And I'm going to contact my opthamologist buddy and see if there's anything he can do for them.

After a short pause ...

Engineer:
Why can't these guys play at night?
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[For the record, many of my friends are firefighters, and I have been on several rural volunteer fire departments and EMR search and rescue teams]

[adam_zapple]

I can't believe Adam is still trying to state his case.

I already apologized for my "gross error", but he can't let it go. Typical.

For those reading the shirt, according to Adam, it is supposed to be read:

"There are ONE , ZERO types of people in this world"

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I had let this go but you apparently continue to misunderstand.

Don't put words in my mouth.

The shirt is printed correctly. If you were to read it aloud, the correct pronunciation of a binary value of 10 is either "two" or "one zero"....but that's just the pronunciation, that's not what should be printed on the shirt as you have incorrectly stated. (See wikipedia link)

[dMz]

Moderated Adam quoting Turbofan:

I had let this go but you apparently continue to misunderstand.

Don't put words in my mouth.

The shirt is printed correctly. If you were to read it aloud, the correct pronunciation of a binary value of 10 is either "two" or "one zero"....but that's just the pronunciation, that's not what should be printed on the shirt as you have incorrectly stated. (See wikipedia link)

Post #7 above Adam. The words from your mouth (or properly your keyboard) were exactly:

You can't substitute the word "ten" for a binary value of 10.

10 in binary = "one zero" or "two", not "ten"

You're getting a little circular again there buddy- you might want to fix that problem (you're only a few hours from "freedom" you know).

[adam_zapple]

Moderated Adam quoting Turbofan:

Post #7 above Adam. The words from your mouth (or properly your keyboard) were exactly:

You can't substitute the word "ten" for a binary value of 10.

10 in binary = "one zero" or "two", not "ten"

You're getting a little circular again there buddy- you might want to fix that problem (you're only a few hours from "freedom" you know).

dMole...read for comprehension:

ccording to Adam, it is supposed to be read: "There are ONE , ZERO types of people in this world"

According to me, the shirt is correct, because the joke requires the numeric notation, not a spelling out of the phonetic pronunciation.

Essentially, Turbofan made 2 errors in that joke.
1 - He used the phonetic pronunciation of a number instead of the numeric notation (breaking the joke)
2 - He assumed that "10" was a base-10 number, not a binary number (breaking the joke)

The correct phonetic pronunciation of a binary value of 10 is "one zero" or "two", but the joke in question requires the numeric value, not the phonetic pronunciation. I never said that the shirt should have "one zero" in place of the 10. Again you both have misunderstood.