Pinch's Opinion on P4911T, Lear, and Rob, Yawn Options

[shadowmoon]

[Moved from Pentagon forum by d]

Zowie! You guys need to take a look at this.

[dMole]

Zowie! You guys need to take a look at this.

"The page cannot be found "

Ah- "Pinch"- yep, seen him before.

Let's try:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/pilo...r-911.html#more

Reason for edit: Broken link

[dMole]

I've boiled down Pinch's "article," into its molecular, mostly ad hominem state (except for a few paragraphs). The complete full text of Pinch's "article" that I have fixed the link for is above.
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Here goes:
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cockroaches, wacky, idiotic moonbats, the head moonbat, a supposed former airline pilot, beyond-the-fringe whack-jobs, wackiest, most outlandish, most incredible scenario, fools. moon-bases-on-the-dark-side-of-the-moon believers.

"I just have some real problems with these people when I am accused, by association, of being part of some grand conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans and others on 9/11.

So, derision and embarrassment in the school of public humiliation of the best I can do. This won't be an ongoing thing here at Blackfive. I'll save the rest of my plinking of these barreled fish over at the Instapinch's Moonbat category.."

...
abused word "Truth", slow to admit

Convoluted and twisted circumlocution, cherry-picked witness statements, further gnarled and gerrymandered, misshapen pretzel of lexicology. Out and out lying, some slick, polished verbiage of aeronautical acronyms, uneducated

veritable cornucopia of 9/11 moronic moonbattery - a "Who's Who in the Moonbat Zoo".

Tinfoilhatidiotd How jacked up on idiot juice are these people? One CLASSIC example of the quality of mind that makes up their members is one John Lear (left), son of the famous Lear jet designer. A typical exchange about him might go something like this:

Pilot for Truth Moron: And John Lear is part of our team!

Innocent Newbie: Wow, THE John Lear? He must know airplanes!
[... go ask John Lear, Pinch]
*This* is the quality of mind that makes up the PfT herd.

What DO they believe? Well, depending on what part of the "Truth" movement you talk to:
[...]
Like I said earlier, come up with the most outlandish, wackiest idea and it's been thought of.

Their forums are all alike - Loose Change, Pentacon, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Architects for 9/11 Truth, Veterinarians for 9/11 Truth, Proctologists for 9/11 Truth, Limo Drivers for 9/11 Truth, Truck Drivers for 9/11 Truth, whatever. They'll ban anyone in a heartbeat if you make any sort of counter-factual argument and their reason will be "Debate in the discussion forum!" or "Discussion in the debate forum!" or "Saying stuff we don't like!". Debate is impossible with them. Facts to them are "government lies" and even personal experience is nothing more than "lies" coming from a "government shill". Anything - ANYTHING that does not conform to their warped view of things is a lie and if you do not conform to their warped view of things, you are a liar.
[...]
blustering, clowns. excuse matrix - "My dog died" or "My cat coughed up a hairball" or "I can't take the time" or "I have a day job" or "Nobody cares" or "I need to get a haircut". baseless accusations, scam, cash-cow to bed.
[...]
As Balsamo points out in a recent post of his lecturing someone who has a pilot buddy who wants to remain anonymous:

"Tell him to step up, or step off. His words mean nothing to anyone if he isnt willing to step up to the plate. Whats worse, is his words mean nothing to himself".
[...]
hide behind a web page, scramming money, shoddy DVDs, basement garage, moonbat-friendly 9th District Court in San Fran, sit on his ass, rake in money, charlatan, boneheaded morons.

cockroaches, with Balsamo being the biggest.

idiots, inner-breeding group, weak-minded morons, lack the ability to understand complex events in life, won't tax their brains, favorite boogey-man
--------------BIG FINISH
I know I've thrown around a fair number of pretty disparaging epithets in this post - morons, idiots, fools, whack-jobs - and that will turn many of you off. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but there's something about a shoe and if it fits. Plus, they want exposure! So the more exposure I can give them, the more people will realize what absolute dolts these people are.

I've spent most of my life either in the company of or working with the military and civilian men and women of this nation who dedicate their lives to her people and our freedom. I have absolutely zero tolerance for those fools like Rob Balsamo and his "gaggle of wankers" (as one Brit poster aptly named them) who exist merely to cast obscene accusations of despicable intentions. Balsamo, you are one SOB.
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(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blahblah1.gif) Well at least Pinch got the "counter-factual argument" part right...

Hey, here's an idea (just as a guess):
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11687

[grizz]

He should have had one of us proofread that first, so we could correct the many grammatical errors. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif)

[rob balsamo]

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yawn.gif)

You know you're over the target when you get flak. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

However, "Pinch" is now just becoming like an obsessed stalker. Sad really. Not very good with reading comprehension either.

But hey, thanks for the publicity Pinch!

[grizz]

btw (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/welcome.gif) shadowmoon.

Pinch's article was so hilarious, I think I'll go read it again. His cherrypicking of some of the more far out stuff that is inevitably posted on this forum, and attributing that to the Pilots, is funny and stupid at the same time. When curious people look at the main page they won't find any of that.

Everyone is entitled to believe what they believe. Basically, isn't that the whole point of the TM? Yes, John Lear has views that are way outside mainstream thinking. But that has nothing to do with his outstanding credentials as an aviator, nor his support for Pilots for 9/11 Truth.org, which works only with hard facts and science. It's an ad hom argument that doesn't fly.

The board and the professional organization are not the same thing. Pinch is way off base. Only his loyal audience (if he has one) would believe his rant. Any one of the potential readers might actually be looking for information about 9/11. If they had never heard of Pilots, then it's free advertising.

[dMole]

Yes, hello and welcome shadowmoon.

For the benefit of any impressionable or new readers out there, here's my analysis of Pinch's "article."

cockroaches, wacky, idiotic moonbats, the head moonbat, a supposed former airline pilot, beyond-the-fringe whack-jobs, wackiest, most outlandish, most incredible scenario, fools. moon-bases-on-the-dark-side-of-the-moon believers.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

BTW, Dark Side of the Moon is an incredible album.
http://www.pinkfloyd.co.uk/dsotm/content/setup.html

"I just have some real problems with these people when I am accused, by association, of being part of some grand conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans and others on 9/11.

Pinch has a problem with "guilt by association"- that's fair enough- I don't like it either. Problem is- I don't know anyone who has accused Pinch of killing Americans on 9/11 though.

Frankly, it sounds to me more like the following than anything else that I can think of right now:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/delusions%20of%20grandeur

So, derision and embarrassment in the school of public humiliation of the best I can do. This won't be an ongoing thing here at Blackfive. I'll save the rest of my plinking of these barreled fish over at the Instapinch's Moonbat category.."

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/a...o-ridicule.html
Keep in mind- Pinch is doing this knowingly and admittedly.

...
abused word "Truth", slow to admit

Convoluted and twisted circumlocution, cherry-picked witness statements, further gnarled and gerrymandered, misshapen pretzel of lexicology. Out and out lying, some slick, polished verbiage of aeronautical acronyms, uneducated

veritable cornucopia of 9/11 moronic moonbattery - a "Who's Who in the Moonbat Zoo".

Yet more ad. hom. Oh- it's about to get interesting again.

Tinfoilhatidiotd How jacked up on idiot juice are these people? One CLASSIC example of the quality of mind that makes up their members is one John Lear (left), son of the famous Lear jet designer. A typical exchange about him might go something like this:

Pilot for Truth Moron: And John Lear is part of our team!

Innocent Newbie: Wow, THE John Lear? He must know airplanes!
[... go ask John Lear, Pinch]
*This* is the quality of mind that makes up the PfT herd.

Ummm, didn't Pinch have a problem with "guilt by association" earlier? Oh well, we've still got that ad. hom. thing going strong- let's give Pinch due credit for consistency at least.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/g...ssociation.html

What DO they believe? Well, depending on what part of the "Truth" movement you talk to:
[...]
Like I said earlier, come up with the most outlandish, wackiest idea and it's been thought of.

Their forums are all alike - Loose Change, Pentacon, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Architects for 9/11 Truth, Veterinarians for 9/11 Truth, Proctologists for 9/11 Truth, Limo Drivers for 9/11 Truth, Truck Drivers for 9/11 Truth, whatever. They'll ban anyone in a heartbeat if you make any sort of counter-factual argument and their reason will be "Debate in the discussion forum!" or "Discussion in the debate forum!" or "Saying stuff we don't like!". Debate is impossible with them. Facts to them are "government lies" and even personal experience is nothing more than "lies" coming from a "government shill". Anything - ANYTHING that does not conform to their warped view of things is a lie and if you do not conform to their warped view of things, you are a liar.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/h...ralization.html

[...]
blustering, clowns. excuse matrix - "My dog died" or "My cat coughed up a hairball" or "I can't take the time" or "I have a day job" or "Nobody cares" or "I need to get a haircut". baseless accusations, scam, cash-cow to bed.
[...]
hide behind a web page, scramming money, shoddy DVDs, basement garage, moonbat-friendly 9th District Court in San Fran, sit on his ass, rake in money, charlatan, boneheaded morons.

cockroaches, with Balsamo being the biggest.

idiots, inner-breeding group, weak-minded morons, lack the ability to understand complex events in life, won't tax their brains, favorite boogey-man

I know I've thrown around a fair number of pretty disparaging epithets in this post - morons, idiots, fools, whack-jobs - and that will turn many of you off. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but there's something about a shoe and if it fits. Plus, they want exposure! So the more exposure I can give them, the more people will realize what absolute dolts these people are.

Ummm, nothing new there.

I've spent most of my life either in the company of or working with the military and civilian men and women of this nation who dedicate their lives to her people and our freedom. I have absolutely zero tolerance for those fools like Rob Balsamo and his "gaggle of wankers" (as one Brit poster aptly named them) who exist merely to cast obscene accusations of despicable intentions. Balsamo, you are one SOB.

Ah, that nationalistic pride factor (he sounds a bit like those fellows on Fox News here, doesn't he?)

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/a...to-emotion.html

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Well at least Pinch got the "counter-factual argument" part right...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/counter

Main Entry:
4_coun·ter
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
Middle English contre, from Anglo-French cuntre
Date:
15th century

1 : in an opposite or wrong direction 2 : to or toward a different or opposite direction, result, or effect <values that run counter to those of society>

adverb form of counter + factual... Yup, sounds about right in this case. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif)

This one wasn't even one of the more interesting pieces of propaganda that I've seen lately. My vote is to throw this little fishy back in the pond and catch him again on a later day.

EDIT: Here's an informative link for people new to internet propaganda tactics:

http://www.matriots.com/bh/25.html

[grizz]

^^You crack me up. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

[lunk]

Great promotional material!
Very cleverly using reverse logic
to find more intelligent members for this group.

Anyone who reads this, will check it, (that is us) out,
and if they don't, that's their decision.

I wish I could have come up with this idea.

I know... I'm probably wrong.
but that's the way I like to look at this article.

lol,
imo, lunk

[dMole]

I was going to add a new Pinch quote to my signature, but there are too many doozies in that "article" to choose from.
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"I don't want anyone thinking this is just some huge digital pissing contest I have with some crazies on the net."

"So, derision and embarrassment in the school of public humiliation of the best I can do." [My English teachers would have hit me with a ruler for that grammar back in the day- it's called a VERB dude- several/most languages have them. Pinch STARTED a paragraph with this one mind you. ]

"Convoluted and twisted circumlocution of cherry-picked witness statements that are then further gnarled and gerrymandered into a misshapen pretzel of lexicology that in no way, shape or form comes even remotely close to resembling the original intent." [Just WOW!]

"In the big scheme of things, I'm really not worried about these idiots."

"So the more exposure I can give them, the more people will realize what absolute dolts these people are."

EDIT: Just for a little perspective, from Pinch's "About" page:

"Tanks, tanks, tanks. I love tanks. Wish I still had tanks." (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) [I'm damn glad that he doesn't BTW]

[dMole]

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Well elmers',

You gonna pull those electrons or whistle Dixie? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Zlaya]

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/pilots-for-911.html

"Their forums are all alike - Loose Change, Pentacon, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Architects for 9/11 Truth, Clear_propVeterinarians for 9/11 Truth, Proctologists for 9/11 Truth, Limo Drivers for 9/11 Truth, Truck Drivers for 9/11 Truth, whatever. They'll ban anyone in a heartbeat if you make any sort of counter-factual argument and their reason will be "Debate in the discussion forum!" or "Discussion in the debate forum!" or "Saying stuff we don't like!". Debate is impossible with them. Facts to them are "government lies" and even personal experience is nothing more than "lies" coming from a "government shill". Anything - ANYTHING that does not conform to their warped view of things is a lie and if you do not conform to their warped view of things, you are a liar."

It sounds like someone on some forum really pissed this lady off...

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif) good job (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[Sanders]

That article was hilarious. Hey fellow cockroaches, better scurry, they're shining the light on us! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

In other words, they claim that explosives and/or fake aircraft or remote controlled aircraft were used or, in the case of the Pentagon, a "flyover" occurred vice actual aircraft impacts - you get the idea.

What's funny is, P4T claims no such thing. Occasionally we talk about these possible scenarios, but what P4T claims, if I understand it right, is that the government is lying.

What is their "proof"? What is their "evidence"?

Er, um, FDR analysis for one. He didn't mention the AA77 black box in that article, did he?

Convoluted and twisted circumlocution of cherry-picked witness statements that are then further gnarled and gerrymandered into a misshapen pretzel of lexicology that in no way, shape or form comes even remotely close to resembling the original intent. Out and out lying, as well, is in their kit bag. They'll throw together some slick, polished verbiage of aeronautical acronyms and many of those uneducated in the facts of aviation will fall for it.

Hey guys, maybe we should stop using so many big words Pinch doesn't understand (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Zlaya]

He didn't mention the AA77 black box in that article, did he?

in a typical degenerate military fashion, he didn't mention anything at all - just sounded like a fussy 12 year old girl...

'moonbat, holocaust denial, jooooooos, moon hoax, tin hat, joooooooos, blah blah ....."

[dMole]

'moonbat, holocaust denial, jooooooos, moon hoax, tin hat, joooooooos, blah blah ....."

Of all the things that "Pinch" accused us "moonbat" C"T"'ists of, I didn't find any references to "joo..." or "holocaust." Why do those particular words keep getting thrown about in discussions of 9/11 research? Relevance? Guilt by association or attempts to discredit perhaps?

[Carl Bank]

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/pilo...r-911.html#more

BrruuhAAAHAHAHAHAHA!! Excellent!

At least she did her homework and really read through this forum. There is no other way
to explain why she wrote "Limo Drivers For 9/11 Truth". Let alone her precise summary:

What DO they believe? Well, depending on what part of the "Truth" movement you talk to: cruise missiles were used instead of airplanes; the airplanes were indeed airplanes but were remote-controlled; the airplanes fired a missile into the buildings a nanosecond before impact; the airplanes had special pods attached to their undercarriage; the airplanes had "forward spraying fuel sprayers" installed to help enhance the explosion of jet fuel; there were NO AIRPLANES AT ALL; it was a Global Hawk; it was an F-16; it was an A-3 Skywarrior; it was a painted-up KC-135 Tanker aircraft; it2267411982_5b46417e12 was a UAV; it was an Israeli UAV; it was done with holograms; there were missiles fired from the Woolworth Building in NYC; pre-set charges blew the holes in the WTC to LOOK like an airplane hit; the media (ALL the media) is in on the charade; the aircraft/missiles/whatever were invisible; the videos are all fake; the passengers never existed; the passengers existed but were loaded up onto another aircraft which was flown out over the Atlantic and was shot down; the passengers are living in exile somewhere; the steel melted; the steel didn't melt; the steel didn't melt or buckle, it was cut by thermite; it wasn't thermite, it was thermate; it was a bomb in a truck carried up in an elevator; controlled demolition is what brought the buildings down; a small nuclear bomb is what brought the towers down; lasers are what brought the towers down; a particle beam from low earth orbit is what brought the towers down; the plane flew OVER the Pentagon instead of hitting it; the plane used vectored thrust to avoid hitting the Pentagon; the plane avoided the Pentagon and flew over the south parking; subterranean howitzers popped up and fired at the Pentagon.

couldn't have said it better: Carl

edit: Hey Kill Your TV! She called your P4T-Logo "Breathtaking", and I subscibe to that part of her rant.
It's clear that she signed up here. I'd love to know her nick!

[rob balsamo]

Do searches for pinch/streetcar304/sweetpea/trebor/shadowmoon (and a few others i cant remember at this point, he has many socks, multiple personality disorder i guess).

He has posted on this forum plenty times, and he isnt banned. He has been suspended though obviously due to the fact his debate style is the same you have seen in his article and is another reason he has so many socks. Basically he is an obsessed stalker trying to inflate his ego through personally attacking others as you can see. Sad really... his life must really suck.

But hey, we enjoyed the increased publicity. I think we got a few new core members from that article... probably raised some funds for the .org selling a few DVD's at the time.. as well. Most people can see through the infantile attacks. That article hurt William "Pinch" Paisley more than he thought it was going to hurt us... Thanks Pinch!

[Carl Bank]

Do searches for pinch/streetcar304/sweetpea (and a few others i cant remember at this point, he has many socks, multiple personality disorder i guess).

He has posted on this forum plenty times, and he isnt banned. He has been suspended though obviously due to the fact his debate style is the same you have seen in his article and is another reason he has so many socks. Basically he is an obsessed stalker trying to inflate his ego through personally attacking others as you can see. Sad really... his life must really suck.

But hey, we enjoyed the increased publicity. I think we got a few new core members from that article... probably raised some funds for the .org selling a few DVD's at the time.. as well. Most people can see through the infantile attacks. That article hurt William "Pinch" Paisley more than he thought it was going to hurt us... Thanks Pinch!

is pinch/streetcar304/sweetpea also "Shadowmoon"?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14084

This post has been edited by Carl Bank: Jan 8 2009, 06:05 PM

[rob balsamo]

I wouldnt doubt it. Same infantile behavior... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[dMole]

is pinch/streetcar304/sweetpea also "Shadowmoon"?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=14084

Probably [EDIT: NOT ] "Zlaya" above too, Carl (although I haven't looked recently- I seem to remember something about a Federal Building in VA though when "shadowmoon" started this now-split thread). As I just discovered this in my ATS "recon,"

http://www.atsadgrab.com/forum/thread421811/pg14

reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 05:10 PM by pinch

Geez...you know an awful lot about the IP addresses over there. Why is that?

And of course they ban people they don't want to listen to. I've been banned there under at least 3 different nicks/profiles.

Searching, I find ol' "Pinch Paisley's Archives" and a "cry for help" at:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/pinch.html

Any Air Traffic Controller / FAA-Types out there?
Posted By Pinch

BLEG time! This is known as, in the blog world, a “Bleg” - or when you beg for help on something through the blog!

I have need to appropriate some of the vast knowledge and inherent smarts out of the abovementioned types. Air Traffic Controller stuff (ideally at a military field, but a civ field would work, too!) for starters.

Also, anyone who knows about FAA-procedures (administrative vice aeronautical, specifically how a "ground stop" would be issued, and more precisely how the "national ground stop" was handled back on 9/11).

You can email me (addy is wpaisley AT comcast DOT net) or leave a comment here or over at the Instapinch and I’ll get back to you.

And just to prove I haven't been shirking my relaxation, on a recent trip to North Carolina we stopped by the Hickory Aviation Museum in Hickory, NC. John Kamstra, one of the volunteers there who helped secure the aircraft on long-term loan from the National Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, invited us (including the Mrs Pinch and Pinchette #2) down to see one of their aircraft, which just happens to be an F-14 I flew back in 1992. If the picture *looks* like I'm talking with my hands, it is just an illusion!

Fight's on!

June 08, 2008

[Personally, I suspect that "Pinch" is in a little personal denial/grief over this- but that's just my DoD-trained opinion:]

http://www.skycontrol.net/military-aviatio...the-f14-tomcat/

U.S. Navy to decommission the F14 Tomcat

This news was published on Saturday, March 11th, 2006 and is archived under Military Aviation.

By William B. Folsom

The U.S. Navy will retire the F14 Tomcat in September 2006 when the last squadron flying that aircraft transitions to the F/A-18E Super Hornet.