Suspect In 2001 Anthrax Attacks Kills Himself. Options

[André]

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[amazed!]

A good interview by Keith, but unless I missed it, neither he nor Posner made the connection to the blackmailed passage of the USA Patriot Act.

[Sanders]

Yeah, and the fact that they are going on the assumtion that Ivins did it. Horse biscuits. This was part of the whole 9-11 plot ... whoever took the Anthrax covered their tracks well. Look for someone who was a suspect for a short time but that the FBI is leaving alone ... someone like Phillip Zach. (BTW, WhatReallyHappened and others claim that Zach is a Zionist - he might be, but he's Catholic.)


I have no idea who smuggled the spores out of Ft. Detrick, and I don't think we'll ever know. The important thing is, with Ivins' suicide, the book is CLOSED.

[dMz]

PNAC/Neocon "housecleaning"...

Dead microbiologists tell no tales...

[Sanders]

What's the count up to now, 16 or 17?

http://www.rense.com/general20/mic.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deadbiologists.html

[painter]

No Autopsy

Ivins's death is being investigated as an apparent suicide from a drug overdose, said Lieutenant Shawn Martyak of the Frederick Police Department's criminal investigation division. Based on laboratory test results of blood taken from the body, the state medical examiner ``determined that an autopsy wouldn't be necessary'' to determine the cause of death, Martyak said.

The Los Angeles Times, which first reported the story, said Ivins took an overdose of prescription Tylenol with codeine.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=home

[painter]

Commentary on DemocraticUnderground:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=389x3719911

My two cents on the Anthrax Suicide… from a former spook

His neighbors say that they knew that he was under surveillance because they parked the SV's (surveillance vehicles) in front of their houses on numerous occasions.

His was a classic "suicide op" in which the subject is surveilled OVERTLY. He is harassed until it drives him crazy. He is threatened with jail and prosecution like the Sword of Damacles was hanging over his head. He is "reminded" that if he goes to jail (and/or is executed) that his family will not receive any of his pension, insurance, retirement..... While his suicide probably voided any private insurance, his family will still not get benefits from the government.

Agents had reached his therapist and were getting the evidence to discredit his name and any defense that he might wage against the charges he was being threatened with. He was also being prepped for discreditation in the event that he turned "whistle blower".

His "suicide" was an excellent Operation by those who either were responsible for the original anthrax or who wanted to make the story go away by putting the blame on him.


Questions:

If Bruce Ivins was the main suspect, why hadn’t we heard anything about the Anthrax case in nearly seven years?
Why was Steven Hatfield able to successfully sue the US Government for harassment and violation of his civil liberties just a couple of months ago?
Did the government lean on Ivins just as they leaned on Hatfield, but Hatfield was able to get out from under the pressure by putting the pressure back on the government?

fwiw, I used to work in the "discrediting" field many years ago and have seen this done a few times, and this appears to have followed the SOP (standard operating procedure).

No autopsy huh, oh well I guess the case is closed and ready to be sent down the memory hole.

[B1informed]

Did anyone see Bruce's brother on the news this morning? He said that after the FBI had interviewed him that they took him out for a sandwich and a beer.

[heliweli]

Have been reading through the Glen Greenwald comments section, almost no one believes this BS, but what is interesting is that a number of people for the first time are now considering that 9/11 was an inside job.

Also my thoughts are with the Ivin's family.

This post has been edited by heliweli: Aug 2 2008, 04:47 PM

[painter]

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After suicide, feds consider closing anthrax case

By LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 51 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The chief suspect in the anthrax attacks now dead, the Justice Department is expected to decide within days whether to close what had been one of its most high-profile unsolved cases.

Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.

After wrongly investigating Army scientist Steven Hatfill, the FBI more than a year ago began looking at another suspect: Bruce E. Ivins, who worked at the same military lab. Ivins, a decorated scientist who was working on an anthrax cure, killed himself last Tuesday.

David R. Franz, a former commander of the Army's lab biological warfare labs at Fort Detrick, Md., where Ivins worked, said Saturday he thought it was "very important that the FBI present their case against Bruce and not just state that the investigation was over because it was him and he's gone."

Franz added, "I'm concerned about what closing this case without conclusive evidence might do to harm our life sciences enterprise. ... I think we as Americans need to see the proof."

Prosecutors were mulling this weekend whether to tell a grand jury investigating evidence against Ivins to close the case. If that happens, court documents outlining the government's evidence are expected to be unsealed.

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More at source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_...uDrumTxByVH2ocA

EDIT: WEIRD, the buttons for editing or deleting the previous post aren't showing up for me. Sorry folks, looks like a glitch.

[heliweli]

Didn't mean to imply that Glenn Greenwald's piece is BS. It is a fantastic piece.
Government response is BS.

This post has been edited by heliweli: Aug 2 2008, 07:10 PM

[heliweli]

. . .
EDIT: WEIRD, the buttons for editing or deleting the previous post aren't showing up for me. Sorry folks, looks like a glitch.

Having the same problem.

Am very disturbed about this. They can pick you out and pick you off! Absolutely no law, and what can we do about it.

This post has been edited by painter: Aug 2 2008, 07:41 PM

Reason for edit: Shortened quoted text

[kiwisteve]

From the story:

Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital after ingesting a massive dose of prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine, said a friend and colleague, who declined to be identified out of concern that he would be harassed by the FBI.

Err, is it just me, or does anyone else think such a skilled and experienced microbiologist could have come up with a slightly less crude (more glamourous/certain) way of "checking out"? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cleanup.gif) Or once again, has the event been simplified for the sheople?

This post has been edited by kiwisteve: Aug 2 2008, 08:37 PM

[mrodway]

True, if say he had killed himself using a tank of Nitrogen and a breathing mask from the lab then the story might sound a little bit more believable.

...but then they wouldn't be able to taunt us with with these stories would they?

[SPreston]

After suicide, feds consider closing anthrax case

By LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 51 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The chief suspect in the anthrax attacks now dead, the Justice Department is expected to decide within days whether to close what had been one of its most high-profile unsolved cases.

Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.

After wrongly investigating Army scientist Steven Hatfill, the FBI more than a year ago began looking at another suspect: Bruce E. Ivins, who worked at the same military lab. Ivins, a decorated scientist who was working on an anthrax cure, killed himself last Tuesday.

David R. Franz, a former commander of the Army's lab biological warfare labs at Fort Detrick, Md., where Ivins worked, said Saturday he thought it was "very important that the FBI present their case against Bruce and not just state that the investigation was over because it was him and he's gone."

Franz added, "I'm concerned about what closing this case without conclusive evidence might do to harm our life sciences enterprise. ... I think we as Americans need to see the proof."

Prosecutors were mulling this weekend whether to tell a grand jury investigating evidence against Ivins to close the case. If that happens, court documents outlining the government's evidence are expected to be unsealed.

Oh, there is still a top anthrax suspect out there.
Perhaps Jerome Hauer will be next to commit seppaku (self disembowelment). Rudi, you should try it too. Wear one of your dresses for a more eloquent finale.

(IMG:http://911review.org/Wget/winterpatriot/jerome_hauer.jpg) (IMG:http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2007/09/365510.jpg) (IMG:http://www.nypost.com/seven/03032007/photos/news008a.jpg)

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.

On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.

Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?

Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...

Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/02/...t-awaiting.html

[maturin42]

Yessir! The lone gunman this time is a lone microbiologist, complete with Gerald Posner to tell the story to the sheeple.

Keith is semi-great, with the sarcasm dripping from his tongue as he all but says "if you believe anything the FBI says about this you are really, really stupid". Then he pulls out MSNBC's official myth-maker Posner to lay out the limited hangout, if this could even be called that.
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[amazed!]

I don't quite get the codeine, but I think sufficient quantity of acetaminophen will kill you. Easy to come by. I have no idea how much it would take or how quickly it would act.

The codeine almost makes it sound like he was drinking out of a cold medicine bottle??? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[heliweli]

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2008/08...ean-duleys.html

This from a scientist who has met Ivin's on a number of occasions at scientific meetings. Read her blog - as far back as 2002, she was pinpointing how to get the culprit.

[heliweli]

Jerome Hauer (IMG:http://911review.org/Wget/winterpatriot/jerome_hauer.jpg) (IMG:http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2007/09/365510.jpg) (IMG:http://www.nypost.com/seven/03032007/photos/news008a.jpg)

Why is this guy's name appearing in every stenchpot?

[Sanders]

Jerome Hauer probably won't be committing seppuku. He's probably one of the guys deciding who will be next to commit "seppuku". He probably ran the whole Anthrax show - he is the guy who called the White House and told the staff to take Cipro, he is the link between the Ft. Detrick/Johns Hopkins/SAIC world of counter-bio-terrorism and the financial nexus of AIG and Marsh McLennan etc., and the CIA front Kroll, where he was a managing director.
Also Hauer, as director of the Office of Emergency Management, decided there should be a $13 million crisis center set up in WTC7. Talk about being connected!??

ttp://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1261.shtml


Is the Hauer in Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld related to Jerome??