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How long would it take to rig?, Also WHEN was it rigged?

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post Oct 16 2006, 09:18 AM
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Hours? Weeks? Months?

Also WHEN was it rigged?
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Definetly weeks/months.
It's impossible to do it in hours with such a big building.
Only the planning takes weeks wink.gif

The reason they tooke building 7 down (for the biggest part) was because all of the plans of 9/11 was in there and it had 2 be destroyed.


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As for when, it could of definetly got done when the security alerts and odd drills and evacuation took place.
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911 Mysteries film answers that pretty well imo. So many floors in the WTC were unused, and witnesses say they heard plenty of noise going on in there. One company, I believe, was vacated for some time for rewiring etc... and with powerdowns and security removed at stages, I suspect not every floor was rigged, but partial sections.

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Does anyone know if building 7 ever had drills or an evacuation of any sort in the weeks or months leading up to 911?
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Welcome Robyn.. good to see you here...

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Thanks, John! It's good to be here. I enjoy reading your posts so when LCF went down I remembered your site. smile.gif
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to be completley controlled it would have taken at least 2-3 weeks to a month on buildings that big in size but on WTC 7 it seems like the center support was taken out first if you watch the videos, i would estimate 2-3 weeks .. im sure thats a safe estimation UNLESS.... there were bombs big enough planted to take the building down.. I've not did alot of research on WTC 7 but the videos say it all, you can see demo shocks going up the building as it falls

BUT it could have been pulled down too.. honestly I've heard of that before.. sounds stupid but.. could be possible.

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They could have easily rigged the buildings very quickly, below is an analysis for the 110 story twin towers. WTC7 would be a walk in the park by all means.


Independent Analysis of Scientific Evidence Relating to 9/11

Let's examine the logistical requirements of planting 20,000lbs of thermite or conventional explosive. We must first determine that the physical transportation of materials onto the site is possible and that method is portable.

We'll begin by converting our units to metric for easier reading:

20,000 lbs
= 9090.9 kg
= 9.0909 Tonnes

9 tonnes may seem a lot, but as I'll soon show you, many hands do indeed make light work. Assuming 50 people were involved, that would require each to plant:

181.818 Kg

That would require 3 trips, carrying approximately 60kg per trip. Assuming a generic device size of around 3kg, that would be 20 devices per trip, or 60 devices per man in total. For a mental reference, the average weight for a male adult in the US is around 76-83 kg according to Wikipedia.

60 Devices * 50 people = 3000 devices

As each building had 110 floors, that gives us 220 floors in total. We can spread these 50 people so that we have 1 person for every 4 floors, across both buildings and ignore the bottom 10 floors, leaving us with 200 floors to cover.

Each man would then place 15 devices on each of the 4 floors assigned to him.

50 peopele * 4 floors = 200 floors
(15 devices x 4 floors) * 50 people = 3000 locations/devices

So, that's 1500 devices and 25 men per building.

Thus, it is feasible for there to be as little as 33 people involved if each carried 90kg. Gaining access has numerous plausible scenarios and only requires a window of 5 minutes. Given a good hiding spot for the devices, 1 person could move across 4 floors, positioning 60 devices, in 3-4 hours.

So, here is a quick table:

50 people - about 3-4 hours
100 people - about 1.5-2 hours
150 people - about an hour

Numerous other variations of this basic analysis will also function just as well. As you can see, it would be pretty easy for any organisation of sufficent size involved in organised crime.

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post Oct 24 2006, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (e-dog @ Oct 17 2006, 01:24 AM)
The reason they tooke building 7 down (for the biggest part) was because all of the plans of 9/11 was in there and it had 2 be destroyed.

Wow is that a fact? huh.gif Can you give me any links to verify this as you would expect there to be copies of the plans somewhere else in America or even the world?
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QUOTE (solgrabber @ Oct 24 2006, 02:34 AM) *
They could have easily rigged the buildings very quickly, below is an analysis for the 110 story twin towers. WTC7 would be a walk in the park by all means.

<snips>

Numerous other variations of this basic analysis will also function just as well. As you can see, it would be pretty easy for any organisation of sufficent size involved in organised crime.

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www.gieis.uni.cc


This other thread has an alternative logistics profile (ignore the nuke stuff, it's just not
dismissible yet for lack of more info that readers should later provide).
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21275

Where he envisions some 10,000 units being used. He also includes the fact of plenty of safety protected detonators that also need to be placed.

I get the general impression, (that I had gotten before and boosts the NPT) that if planes were to be used, then nothing less than precision strikes could possibly be allowed. This is because, as the writer over there (above thread) says; Some of the packages would be fired by detonators, while others, within some range, would be fired by the shock or compression waves of those that were triggered.

Obviously, such an inter dependent web of explosives, critical as they would be, could not be trusted to the mere happenstance of imprecise aircraft strikes with the random "spray" of high energy debris and fire spread. Since a failure could result in a huge hunk falling undamaged, putting a crimp in the gravitational collapse narrative.

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From:
http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/911TruthMilitary.htm

THE DEMOLITION OPERATION OF THE WTC TOWERS

1) Calculate the correct size and the dimensions of suitable cutting charges and then order 24,000 pieces. Must also order fitting detonators (custom detonators had to be manufactured). Fitting detonators usually already exist in stores of military forces (as well as the CIA’s “Covert Labs”). Time of delivery is several months in any case. All detonators must be equipped with some kind of safety mechanism, which will be removed by a radio signal at the final moment.

2) After procurement, the cutting charges are installed in selected vacant rooms and elevator/maintenance shafts. Some of these rooms also served as temporary storages for charges needed elsewhere. After the charges are set, the office is renovated and circulated to the clients in the WTC. One man continuously assembles maybe 5 cutting charges per hour. With 10 assemblers 350 charges are assembled and installed a day. Maybe about 20 people more were needed (5 of them know what is going on, 15 do not). For the installation of the charges this operation takes at least four months with 30 men. Considering step 1), six months are probably needed. The amount of personnel could not have been increased, but probably decreased, if more time was available.

3) To some of the chosen office complexes, no one had access. That is why on the weekend on 9/8/2001 and 9/9/2001 it is announced, that floors up from the 40th floor are being equipped with new cables and no “normal employee” had access to the working area there. The installations of explosives are completed and at the same time (at least in the charged areas) listening devices are set to find out a possible premature discovery of the plan. If someone finds charges the guards are soon on the scene and will deal with the situation in one way or another.

4) One completes the area of secret service in WTC 7 so that its demolition operation can be carried out. A military flight beacon is placed there (planes are homing to it from far away). Remote controls for air planes and radio transmitters to be capable of blowing up at least one third of the cutting charges are placed. At this location, the ability to eavesdrop any area of the WTC, for example by a laser beam, aimed to a selected window, probably already existed.

5) A radio beacon helping the final approach is placed in targeted offices in the WTC towers. Close to these, remote controlled napalm explosives are placed as well, in order to draw the interest from the planes to fires. The higher in the towers the planes are targeted, the less death would result. (Real terrorists would do exactly the opposite.) Evacuation from lower floors should be possible through the staircases. The target is to create a new reason for odd wars and fascistic laws, not to kill as many Americans as possible. “A new Pearl Harbor”, meaning the death of about 3000 unsuspecting, innocent citizens is the desired loss of lives.

6) The attack plans are made so that they can be executed during the chaos, for example in the offices of the investigations of the economic crimes by the FBI. (The attackers had already placed or infiltrated their own men in these facilities.) Also in WTC 6 (customs) either a small nuke or a very strong bomb is also detonated (which one, depends on whether there was melted steel ponds in the cellar of WTC 6.) An explosion, of course, hides the loss of any supplies. (A nuclear explosion covers up murders, as well.)

7) In the morning of 9/11 the operations are performed after a timetable in which seconds are important. From the command post facilities the actions in towers are monitored. To hide the true nature of the operation, there was probably an agent on call in both towers, who could silence the people finding out too much. (The agent probably did not know what was going to happen.)

It is highly unlikely that the people who knew about the demolition charges in the WTC, or those who installed the remote controls of the aircraft or did some camouflage paintings for drones are still are alive and capable of telling about their acts, which changed the world.

8) The mini-nukes are transported to the basement floors in elevators. After that the elevators are locked down, guarded and monitored - no service repairman will be allowed near these elevators. The thermonuclear device used in WTC 7 was different, its yield was set lower and it was directed in a way better suitable for that building.

9) The explosions have been timed so that 99.9% of people around will look at the top of towers, and perhaps two seconds later the small thermonuclear bomb is exploded in the cellar of the south tower, and again two seconds later another very powerful charge in the WTC 6 customs building while nobody is looking that way. There are also the continuous explosions of the thousands of cutting charges tearing the south tower down to coincide with the speed of gravity-driven free fall.

10) The demolition of either of the WTC towers took at least half a year to prepare, including installation of 10,000 cutting charges and the delivery of a thermonuclear device at the last moment. The demolition of those ultra strong steel pillars in the central core using cutting charges only is not possible without waking up unwanted attention. These charges must be in touch with the steel pillars, and there is not enough enclosed space in the central core itself to hide these biggest possible charges.

11) The demolition operation is finished by destroying WTC 7 using a nuke and completely destroying the op center with its equipment. Concrete evidence like the military flight beacon and the remote control devices for cutting charges and napalm as well as the recordings of eavesdropping devices regarding events within the towers vaporize and vanish without a trace.



SIDE MARKINGS

Most of the media is controlled by people related to the attack and tell misleading stories only, as if crushing of the airliners or a weak fire could have caused the “collapse” of the towers. The true attackers are the ones with strong and vigorous broadcasting around their false version of the events which is very different to what really happened.

No single “mainstream” newspaper, magazine nor any national TV channel in the western nations has taken a critical, questioning view on the so-called “official truth”, i.e. the planes collision and resulting fires caused the WTC towers to collapse. The destruction of WTC 7, which has no explanation at all (not hit by jets, or fiery debris), is bypassed totally and completely without any comments. A huge bomb of some sort, detonated in WTC 6 is also bypassed as a “non-existing event”.

Some things, like the sharply-drawn pictures of the closest seismographs may have been falsified. A Specialist in demolitions, V. Romero, may have been forced to change his original statement. The hoax is completed by Osama Bin Laden, who as a CIA agent “confesses” to have ordered the airliner strikes. The Bin Laden hoax and the suicidal Arabs construct a net of lies that fools the vast majority of mankind.

Laymen have no experience in observing differences in collapses, controlled demolitions and underground nuclear demolitions. Even the destruction of heavy steel constructions or typical fire damage are far away from their field of experience. These towers were built and professionally engineered to take the impacts of hitting Boeing 707's, comparable to Boeing 767's, taking into account the fires caused by the burning aviation fuel. In fact, the buildings did in fact survive all of that. They stood firm for nearly an hour, until they were demolished. (NYFD personnel are trained on the structural stabilities of the cities’ high rise buildings. If there was a clear and present danger of “collapse” it is unlikely the firemen would have been ordered into the building.)

The knowledge of relevant advances regarding weapon technology is even rarer. Many of those who are up to date are bound by strict commitment of loyalty and secrecy, that is strictly enforced. In some cases, they get executed for talking (an “accident” occurs).

The author of this text feels it is his duty to spread his advanced knowledge in explosives from a military point of view via public discussion as it is obvious that the public is lacking this information. The events observed around 9/11 cannot be rationally explained any other way.

The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing 'The Bombs in the WTC' and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them.

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That's a pretty good summation, but i think that most big buildings, in city centers, must have a method for future demolition, before a building certificate can be issued. And back then, nuclear demolition of building was thought to be a peaceful use of atomic weapons.

It may have been part of the original design, so they could be brought down in their own footprint, without damaging adjacent buildings.
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QUOTE (Obwon @ May 3 2011, 10:11 AM) *
From:
http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/911TruthMilitary.htm

THE DEMOLITION OPERATION OF THE WTC TOWERS

1) Calculate the correct size and the dimensions of suitable cutting charges and then order 24,000 pieces. Must also order fitting detonators (custom detonators had to be manufactured). Fitting detonators usually already exist in stores of military forces (as well as the CIA’s “Covert Labs”). Time of delivery is several months in any case. All detonators must be equipped with some kind of safety mechanism, which will be removed by a radio signal at the final moment.

2) After procurement, the cutting charges are installed in selected vacant rooms and elevator/maintenance shafts. Some of these rooms also served as temporary storages for charges needed elsewhere. After the charges are set, the office is renovated and circulated to the clients in the WTC. One man continuously assembles maybe 5 cutting charges per hour. With 10 assemblers 350 charges are assembled and installed a day. Maybe about 20 people more were needed (5 of them know what is going on, 15 do not). For the installation of the charges this operation takes at least four months with 30 men. Considering step 1), six months are probably needed. The amount of personnel could not have been increased, but probably decreased, if more time was available.

3) To some of the chosen office complexes, no one had access. That is why on the weekend on 9/8/2001 and 9/9/2001 it is announced, that floors up from the 40th floor are being equipped with new cables and no “normal employee” had access to the working area there. The installations of explosives are completed and at the same time (at least in the charged areas) listening devices are set to find out a possible premature discovery of the plan. If someone finds charges the guards are soon on the scene and will deal with the situation in one way or another.

4) One completes the area of secret service in WTC 7 so that its demolition operation can be carried out. A military flight beacon is placed there (planes are homing to it from far away). Remote controls for air planes and radio transmitters to be capable of blowing up at least one third of the cutting charges are placed. At this location, the ability to eavesdrop any area of the WTC, for example by a laser beam, aimed to a selected window, probably already existed.

5) A radio beacon helping the final approach is placed in targeted offices in the WTC towers. Close to these, remote controlled napalm explosives are placed as well, in order to draw the interest from the planes to fires. The higher in the towers the planes are targeted, the less death would result. (Real terrorists would do exactly the opposite.) Evacuation from lower floors should be possible through the staircases. The target is to create a new reason for odd wars and fascistic laws, not to kill as many Americans as possible. “A new Pearl Harbor”, meaning the death of about 3000 unsuspecting, innocent citizens is the desired loss of lives.

6) The attack plans are made so that they can be executed during the chaos, for example in the offices of the investigations of the economic crimes by the FBI. (The attackers had already placed or infiltrated their own men in these facilities.) Also in WTC 6 (customs) either a small nuke or a very strong bomb is also detonated (which one, depends on whether there was melted steel ponds in the cellar of WTC 6.) An explosion, of course, hides the loss of any supplies. (A nuclear explosion covers up murders, as well.)

7) In the morning of 9/11 the operations are performed after a timetable in which seconds are important. From the command post facilities the actions in towers are monitored. To hide the true nature of the operation, there was probably an agent on call in both towers, who could silence the people finding out too much. (The agent probably did not know what was going to happen.)

It is highly unlikely that the people who knew about the demolition charges in the WTC, or those who installed the remote controls of the aircraft or did some camouflage paintings for drones are still are alive and capable of telling about their acts, which changed the world.

8) The mini-nukes are transported to the basement floors in elevators. After that the elevators are locked down, guarded and monitored - no service repairman will be allowed near these elevators. The thermonuclear device used in WTC 7 was different, its yield was set lower and it was directed in a way better suitable for that building.

9) The explosions have been timed so that 99.9% of people around will look at the top of towers, and perhaps two seconds later the small thermonuclear bomb is exploded in the cellar of the south tower, and again two seconds later another very powerful charge in the WTC 6 customs building while nobody is looking that way. There are also the continuous explosions of the thousands of cutting charges tearing the south tower down to coincide with the speed of gravity-driven free fall.

10) The demolition of either of the WTC towers took at least half a year to prepare, including installation of 10,000 cutting charges and the delivery of a thermonuclear device at the last moment. The demolition of those ultra strong steel pillars in the central core using cutting charges only is not possible without waking up unwanted attention. These charges must be in touch with the steel pillars, and there is not enough enclosed space in the central core itself to hide these biggest possible charges.

11) The demolition operation is finished by destroying WTC 7 using a nuke and completely destroying the op center with its equipment. Concrete evidence like the military flight beacon and the remote control devices for cutting charges and napalm as well as the recordings of eavesdropping devices regarding events within the towers vaporize and vanish without a trace.



SIDE MARKINGS

Most of the media is controlled by people related to the attack and tell misleading stories only, as if crushing of the airliners or a weak fire could have caused the “collapse” of the towers. The true attackers are the ones with strong and vigorous broadcasting around their false version of the events which is very different to what really happened.

No single “mainstream” newspaper, magazine nor any national TV channel in the western nations has taken a critical, questioning view on the so-called “official truth”, i.e. the planes collision and resulting fires caused the WTC towers to collapse. The destruction of WTC 7, which has no explanation at all (not hit by jets, or fiery debris), is bypassed totally and completely without any comments. A huge bomb of some sort, detonated in WTC 6 is also bypassed as a “non-existing event”.

Some things, like the sharply-drawn pictures of the closest seismographs may have been falsified. A Specialist in demolitions, V. Romero, may have been forced to change his original statement. The hoax is completed by Osama Bin Laden, who as a CIA agent “confesses” to have ordered the airliner strikes. The Bin Laden hoax and the suicidal Arabs construct a net of lies that fools the vast majority of mankind.

Laymen have no experience in observing differences in collapses, controlled demolitions and underground nuclear demolitions. Even the destruction of heavy steel constructions or typical fire damage are far away from their field of experience. These towers were built and professionally engineered to take the impacts of hitting Boeing 707's, comparable to Boeing 767's, taking into account the fires caused by the burning aviation fuel. In fact, the buildings did in fact survive all of that. They stood firm for nearly an hour, until they were demolished. (NYFD personnel are trained on the structural stabilities of the cities’ high rise buildings. If there was a clear and present danger of “collapse” it is unlikely the firemen would have been ordered into the building.)

The knowledge of relevant advances regarding weapon technology is even rarer. Many of those who are up to date are bound by strict commitment of loyalty and secrecy, that is strictly enforced. In some cases, they get executed for talking (an “accident” occurs).

The author of this text feels it is his duty to spread his advanced knowledge in explosives from a military point of view via public discussion as it is obvious that the public is lacking this information. The events observed around 9/11 cannot be rationally explained any other way.

The photographs attached in this non-profit distribution are for securing volatile, important evidence on 9/11 for discussion and education. Author hereby grants full permission to reproduce the drawing 'The Bombs in the WTC' and his writings. You are encouraged to mail, publish and mass produce these documents or your enhanced versions of them.

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But there was no measurement of residual radiation which would have been there after any type of NUKE.
Measurements were taken by the scientists looking for Thermate.
YES or NO?
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QUOTE (DANDPT @ May 11 2011, 06:46 PM) *
But there was no measurement of residual radiation which would have been there after any type of NUKE.
Measurements were taken by the scientists looking for Thermate.
YES or NO?


As to residual radiation, I'll have to admit that I haven't paid much attention back then. I do remember reading something about radiation at the scene, but I'll be darned if I can remember if it was pro or con. At the time of reading, the use of nukes -- due to my lack of knowledge of advanced, up-to-date uses of them -- seemed more like disinfo than anything else. Thus I paid scant attention. I do, however, dimly remember some treatment/discussion of radiation at the site, maybe someone else has and can speak on this, meanwhile I'll keep an eye out.

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I think I remember that there were some unusual readings taken, but it's been too long to be certain.

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