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Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21, NIST NCSTAR 1-9 & 1A

dMz
post Aug 19 2008, 01:02 PM
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FWIW, there is a press release and webcast scheduled for 11-noon EDT on Thurs. Aug. 21, 2008.

"The draft WTC 7 investigation report released at the briefing will be open for public comment through noon Eastern Daylight Time on Sept. 15, 2008."

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/calmed/wtc_081808.html

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http://wtc.nist.gov/
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post Aug 21 2008, 01:07 PM
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Posted on the web site of my local paper:

If a building falls down in a way never before seen in history, engineers and architects have some explaining to do.

Despite many years of experience with high-rise steel-framed buildings and fires in that type building, no previous example can be found. This morning, 8-21-08, NIST Director of the Building and Fire Research Laboratory stood up on his hind legs and explained how WTC Building 7 fell down. It was ‘fire’ on the lower floors of the building.

That huge explosion you heard on the video didn’t happen. It wasn’t loud enough! I am not kidding. The refutation of the idea that explosives were present and used to bring down Bldg 7 is as follows: If enough explosive were put onto Column 79 (the key column) to cut it, it would have made a lot of noise. The explosions heard by many that presaged the collapse, wasn’t loud enough to be caused by a charge that could have cut that key column. End of explanation. The flows of pyroclastic clouds from the building were a figment of your imagination. Dr. Sunder stands up and tries to make the case that we now have to review our construction standards to cover this phenomenon. The emperor has no clothes, so now we must all strip and wear the same kind of new clothes if you want to live in NIST’s world.

In answer to repeated questions about why they ruled out the controlled demolition scenario, Dr. Sunder explained that it would have taken a lot of explosive to cut through that one main beam. It was the destruction of that one beam that caused the collapse. It happened because of thermal expansion, and he had drawings to “prove” it, showing beams distorting beyond recognition due to the fire.

Infowars reporter is asking a question and they are trying to cut his mike and move on. He wanted to know about the microspheres that appear in all the dust samples from the site, and yet NIST did not look for and miraculously did not find evidence of explosives. They did not retain steel samples.

“Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7” is a line from the report posted online by NIST. Notice that forensics have nothing at all to do with the findings. They still did not look at the steel, nor the dust, and, surprisingly, they also ruled out fuel oil from the generators, which had been at the heart of their previous fire-driven hypotheses. The bottom line with Dr. Sunder, in his summary, was that a single column gave way leading to the sudden, catastrophic collapse, and they have the computer model to prove it. Computers are great. If you tweak the parameters enough you can make them do almost anything - or at least SHOW anything. Whether it has anything to do with physics or reality, is another matter entirely.

1340 degree heat persisted in the pile of WTC 7 for weeks after the event, but Dr. Sunder did not address how that could have occurred in an ordinary office material fire. In addition, the severe eutectic corrosion, intergranular melting, and thinning in the steel girders was not explained. This appears in the FEMA report but is not addressed by NIST. Dr. Jones’ findings are similarly ignored.

So, ignore your lying eyes. Even though Danny Jowenko, one of Europe’s most qualified controlled demolition experts says that it is unquestionably controlled demolition, Dr. Sunder says no. It just LOOKS like it. It was just fire. Move along. Nothing to see here!

What a surprise!

NIST’s report can be found here: http://wtc.nist.gov/
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth [ ae911truth.org ] will be doing a detailed critique of the many fallacies contained in this document in their official comments .
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- dMole   Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21   Aug 19 2008, 01:02 PM
- - amazed!   It will be interesting to see, just for the specta...   Aug 19 2008, 02:00 PM
- - forthetrees   "11-noon EDT on Thurs. Aug. 19, 2008." ...   Aug 19 2008, 02:06 PM
- - dMole   Sorry about that (too many numbers go through my h...   Aug 19 2008, 02:16 PM
- - Truthseekers   They are already saying it collapsed due to fire, ...   Aug 20 2008, 04:56 AM
- - dMole   I'm going to "scoop" NIST's pres...   Aug 21 2008, 02:49 AM
|- - Truthseekers   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 07:49 AM) I...   Aug 21 2008, 06:06 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Truthseekers @ Aug 21 2008, 04:06 ...   Aug 21 2008, 12:12 PM
- - dMole   This press release should be starting in about 5 m...   Aug 21 2008, 10:55 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 19 2008, 01:55 PM) Thi...   Aug 21 2008, 11:11 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Aug 21 2008, 09:11 A...   Aug 22 2008, 04:12 PM
- - Oceans Flow   I guess Lucky Larry should have waited for those t...   Aug 21 2008, 11:20 AM
- - dMole   I would like a transcript of this little Q&A t...   Aug 21 2008, 11:29 AM
- - dMole   You notice how quickly that woman's handler th...   Aug 21 2008, 11:45 AM
- - Truthseekers   What a pile of steamin pig S***. It is what was ex...   Aug 21 2008, 11:53 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Truthseekers @ Aug 19 2008, 02:53 ...   Aug 21 2008, 11:57 AM
- - Oceans Flow   I didn't watch it because I didn't want to...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 21 2008, 10:06 A...   Aug 21 2008, 12:16 PM
- - Rickysa   It was heartening to see some honest questions and...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
- - Truthseekers   Funny eh guys?. Dr Shyam (sham) certainly a suitab...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
- - dMole   Hopefully this isn't the last that we see of t...   Aug 21 2008, 12:53 PM
|- - Oceans Flow   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 09:53 AM) Hop...   Aug 21 2008, 12:59 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 19 2008, 02:59 P...   Aug 21 2008, 01:04 PM
- - Oceans Flow   WTC 7 Solved: It Was Ivins! Diary Entry by Ge...   Aug 21 2008, 12:56 PM
- - maturin42   Posted on the web site of my local paper: If a bu...   Aug 21 2008, 01:07 PM
- - Truthseekers   http://www.denverconstructionservices.co.u...n_ser...   Aug 21 2008, 01:16 PM
- - dMole   I'm not certain if this means NIST will re-web...   Aug 21 2008, 01:17 PM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 01:17 PM) I...   Aug 21 2008, 01:39 PM
- - dMole   Here are links to the new-ish NIST material. News...   Aug 21 2008, 01:30 PM
- - dMole   Howard Stern interviewing Jesse Ventura on http://...   Aug 21 2008, 01:41 PM
- - Oceans Flow   First googlenewssearch article: Feds: Fires took ...   Aug 21 2008, 02:01 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 21 2008, 12:01 P...   Aug 21 2008, 02:30 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 19 2008, 05:30 PM) EDI...   Aug 21 2008, 03:03 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Aug 21 2008, 01:03 P...   Aug 21 2008, 06:54 PM
- - Truthseekers   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvrKfWkxdw http:/...   Aug 21 2008, 02:13 PM
- - Oceans Flow   dMole, did you read their Q&A page? It's a...   Aug 21 2008, 02:41 PM
- - Oceans Flow   So now a search turns up 277 media articles. Here...   Aug 21 2008, 03:34 PM
|- - KP50   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 22 2008, 07:34 A...   Aug 21 2008, 08:29 PM
- - dMole   "Cause" vs. effect: Post #16: http://p...   Aug 21 2008, 03:58 PM
- - dMole   Ummm, why doesn't the NIST computer simulation...   Aug 21 2008, 04:25 PM
- - 1morepromethean   http://www.onemorepromethean.com/2008/08/2...lding...   Aug 21 2008, 05:03 PM
- - dMole   MP3 audio of Sunder's press release from this ...   Aug 21 2008, 06:08 PM
- - Truthseekers   Having gone through this again, and as NIST conclu...   Aug 21 2008, 06:42 PM
- - albertchampion   perhaps some of you more knowledgeable individuals...   Aug 21 2008, 08:36 PM
|- - dMole   RE: Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21   Aug 21 2008, 09:05 PM
- - Oceans Flow   This is what you're remembering, albert. Also ...   Aug 21 2008, 09:52 PM
- - KP50   I'm a lazy bugger so .... is there any mention...   Aug 21 2008, 11:49 PM
- - Oceans Flow   LOL. Here's the Popular Mechanics article on t...   Aug 22 2008, 12:09 AM
- - KP50   QUOTE The report clarifies a number of widely deba...   Aug 22 2008, 12:20 AM
- - dMole   Oh wait- they said COLUMN NUMBER 79-- oooohhh... ...   Aug 22 2008, 01:48 AM
- - dMole   Re: the claim of "no water," Sanders...   Aug 22 2008, 01:57 AM
- - Oceans Flow   ^^I thought it was a stack of dominoes that collap...   Aug 22 2008, 10:34 AM
- - barney_rebel   Mystery solved!!!!!!!...   Aug 22 2008, 11:57 AM
- - Omega892R09   Has anybody here put a comment on PM's web sit...   Aug 22 2008, 12:38 PM
- - albertchampion   i like you guys. i never thought to research my re...   Aug 23 2008, 01:05 AM
- - dMole   Here is the transcript, courtesy of a "debunk...   Aug 23 2008, 03:38 PM
- - dMole   From NIST NCSTAR 1-3, Section 7.7.3 [163 of 184, p...   Aug 23 2008, 11:55 PM
- - waterdancer   So... when do we get to see all the video and/or p...   Aug 25 2008, 06:45 AM
- - rob balsamo   Good to see you WD. Im looking forward to our resi...   Aug 25 2008, 01:19 PM
- - waterdancer   As far as I can tell, they haven't got it stuc...   Aug 26 2008, 08:32 AM
- - Truthseekers   Perhaps NIST can explain this away... QUOTE In 19...   Aug 26 2008, 05:37 PM
- - maturin42   Here is my comment on PM'a latest offering: B...   Aug 27 2008, 01:36 PM
- - Oceans Flow   EMERGENCY WARNING FOR OFFICE WORKERS (NIST WTC7)   Aug 29 2008, 06:05 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 29 2008, 04:05 P...   Sep 11 2008, 06:17 AM
- - Sanders   Oh, this thread is about NIST and WTC7 I loo...   Aug 29 2008, 08:41 PM
- - albertchampion   they are all linked, but you know that, i think. ...   Aug 29 2008, 11:02 PM
- - albertchampion   after writing this, i picked up todays FT. thoug...   Aug 30 2008, 12:28 AM
|- - eti1777   Dr. F. Greening seems to have critique on NIST WTC...   Aug 30 2008, 04:53 PM
- - Sanders   Awesome   Aug 30 2008, 08:05 PM
- - dMole   Has anyone heard anything recent about any "p...   Sep 11 2008, 09:25 AM
- - dMole   This related thread: http://pilotsfor911truth.org...   Sep 12 2008, 06:29 AM
- - dMole   To emphasize from Dr. Frank Greening's paper a...   Sep 12 2008, 07:46 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 10 2008, 09:46 AM) ......   Sep 12 2008, 09:29 AM
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|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 10 2008, 01:18 PM) EDI...   Sep 12 2008, 01:01 PM
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