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Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21, NIST NCSTAR 1-9 & 1A

dMz
post Aug 19 2008, 01:02 PM
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FWIW, there is a press release and webcast scheduled for 11-noon EDT on Thurs. Aug. 21, 2008.

"The draft WTC 7 investigation report released at the briefing will be open for public comment through noon Eastern Daylight Time on Sept. 15, 2008."

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/calmed/wtc_081808.html

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http://wtc.nist.gov/
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post Aug 21 2008, 02:01 PM
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First googlenewssearch article:

Feds: Fires took down building next to twin towers

By DEVLIN BARRETT
Thursday, August 21, 2008

Federal investigators said Thursday they have solved a mystery of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks: the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.

The 47-story trapezoid-shaped building sat north of the World Trade Center towers, across Vesey Street in lower Manhattan. On Sept. 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but skeptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel-and-concrete structure.

Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.

"The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team.

Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.

The building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down. That fueled suspicion that someone intentionally blew up the building in a controlled demolition.

Critics like Mike Berger of the group 9/11 Truth said he wasn't buying the government's explanation.

"Their explanation simply isn't sufficient. We're being lied to," he said, arguing that there is other evidence suggesting explosives were used on the building.

Sunder said his team investigated the possibility that an explosion inside the building brought it down, but found there was no large boom or other noise that would have occurred with such a detonation. Investigators also created a giant computer model of the collapse, based partly on news footage from CBS News, that they say shows internal column failure brought down the building.

Investigators also ruled out the possibility that the collapse was caused by fires from a substantial amount of diesel fuel that was stored in the building, most of it for generators for the city's emergency operations command center.

The 77-page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the 13th floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure.

"When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain," said Sunder.

The NIST investigators issued more than a dozen building recommendations as a result of their inquiry, most of which repeat earlier recommendations from their investigation into the collapse of the two large towers.

In both instances, investigators concluded that extreme heat caused some steel beams to lose strength, causing further failures throughout the buildings until the entire structure succumbed.

The recommendations include building skyscrapers with stronger connections and framing systems to resist the effects of thermal expansion, and structural systems designed to prevent damage to one part of a building from spreading to other parts.

A spokeswoman for the leaseholder of the World Trade Center, developer Larry Silverstein, praised the government's work.

"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillen.

In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive."

"The public should really recognize the science is really behind what we have said," he said, adding: "The obvious stares you in the face."


http://townhall.com/news/us/2008/08/21/fed...n_towers?page=2


EDIT: Right away this is picked up by AP ~

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isReaHA...J8_BvgD92MQLDG0
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post Aug 21 2008, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 21 2008, 12:01 PM) *
Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.

The building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down. That fueled suspicion that someone intentionally blew up the building in a controlled demolition.
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In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive."

Umm, wouldn't the water MAIN be several feet underground? How did 'collapse debris' get to it/them? Mains are usually buried deep in cold climates (pretty sure the NE Atlantic coast qualifies there, last time I checked). Anyone care to look up the applicable NYC or NY state building code there? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Emotive/programmed language...

"incredibly conclusive" "expert" "science"- see immediately above, and at post #3:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10749868

EDIT: If the city main(s) were broken, presumably spraying/leaking water, then where the f*ck did all the dust come from? Why did that indeterminate metal stay molten until Dec 2001 at least?
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- dMole   Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21   Aug 19 2008, 01:02 PM
- - amazed!   It will be interesting to see, just for the specta...   Aug 19 2008, 02:00 PM
- - forthetrees   "11-noon EDT on Thurs. Aug. 19, 2008." ...   Aug 19 2008, 02:06 PM
- - dMole   Sorry about that (too many numbers go through my h...   Aug 19 2008, 02:16 PM
- - Truthseekers   They are already saying it collapsed due to fire, ...   Aug 20 2008, 04:56 AM
- - dMole   I'm going to "scoop" NIST's pres...   Aug 21 2008, 02:49 AM
|- - Truthseekers   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 07:49 AM) I...   Aug 21 2008, 06:06 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Truthseekers @ Aug 21 2008, 04:06 ...   Aug 21 2008, 12:12 PM
- - dMole   This press release should be starting in about 5 m...   Aug 21 2008, 10:55 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 19 2008, 01:55 PM) Thi...   Aug 21 2008, 11:11 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Aug 21 2008, 09:11 A...   Aug 22 2008, 04:12 PM
- - Oceans Flow   I guess Lucky Larry should have waited for those t...   Aug 21 2008, 11:20 AM
- - dMole   I would like a transcript of this little Q&A t...   Aug 21 2008, 11:29 AM
- - dMole   You notice how quickly that woman's handler th...   Aug 21 2008, 11:45 AM
- - Truthseekers   What a pile of steamin pig S***. It is what was ex...   Aug 21 2008, 11:53 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Truthseekers @ Aug 19 2008, 02:53 ...   Aug 21 2008, 11:57 AM
- - Oceans Flow   I didn't watch it because I didn't want to...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 21 2008, 10:06 A...   Aug 21 2008, 12:16 PM
- - Rickysa   It was heartening to see some honest questions and...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
- - Truthseekers   Funny eh guys?. Dr Shyam (sham) certainly a suitab...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
- - dMole   Hopefully this isn't the last that we see of t...   Aug 21 2008, 12:53 PM
|- - Oceans Flow   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 09:53 AM) Hop...   Aug 21 2008, 12:59 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 19 2008, 02:59 P...   Aug 21 2008, 01:04 PM
- - Oceans Flow   WTC 7 Solved: It Was Ivins! Diary Entry by Ge...   Aug 21 2008, 12:56 PM
- - maturin42   Posted on the web site of my local paper: If a bu...   Aug 21 2008, 01:07 PM
- - Truthseekers   http://www.denverconstructionservices.co.u...n_ser...   Aug 21 2008, 01:16 PM
- - dMole   I'm not certain if this means NIST will re-web...   Aug 21 2008, 01:17 PM
|- - JFK   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 01:17 PM) I...   Aug 21 2008, 01:39 PM
- - dMole   Here are links to the new-ish NIST material. News...   Aug 21 2008, 01:30 PM
- - dMole   Howard Stern interviewing Jesse Ventura on http://...   Aug 21 2008, 01:41 PM
- - Oceans Flow   First googlenewssearch article: Feds: Fires took ...   Aug 21 2008, 02:01 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 21 2008, 12:01 P...   Aug 21 2008, 02:30 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 19 2008, 05:30 PM) EDI...   Aug 21 2008, 03:03 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Aug 21 2008, 01:03 P...   Aug 21 2008, 06:54 PM
- - Truthseekers   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvrKfWkxdw http:/...   Aug 21 2008, 02:13 PM
- - Oceans Flow   dMole, did you read their Q&A page? It's a...   Aug 21 2008, 02:41 PM
- - Oceans Flow   So now a search turns up 277 media articles. Here...   Aug 21 2008, 03:34 PM
|- - KP50   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 22 2008, 07:34 A...   Aug 21 2008, 08:29 PM
- - dMole   "Cause" vs. effect: Post #16: http://p...   Aug 21 2008, 03:58 PM
- - dMole   Ummm, why doesn't the NIST computer simulation...   Aug 21 2008, 04:25 PM
- - 1morepromethean   http://www.onemorepromethean.com/2008/08/2...lding...   Aug 21 2008, 05:03 PM
- - dMole   MP3 audio of Sunder's press release from this ...   Aug 21 2008, 06:08 PM
- - Truthseekers   Having gone through this again, and as NIST conclu...   Aug 21 2008, 06:42 PM
- - albertchampion   perhaps some of you more knowledgeable individuals...   Aug 21 2008, 08:36 PM
|- - dMole   RE: Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21   Aug 21 2008, 09:05 PM
- - Oceans Flow   This is what you're remembering, albert. Also ...   Aug 21 2008, 09:52 PM
- - KP50   I'm a lazy bugger so .... is there any mention...   Aug 21 2008, 11:49 PM
- - Oceans Flow   LOL. Here's the Popular Mechanics article on t...   Aug 22 2008, 12:09 AM
- - KP50   QUOTE The report clarifies a number of widely deba...   Aug 22 2008, 12:20 AM
- - dMole   Oh wait- they said COLUMN NUMBER 79-- oooohhh... ...   Aug 22 2008, 01:48 AM
- - dMole   Re: the claim of "no water," Sanders...   Aug 22 2008, 01:57 AM
- - Oceans Flow   ^^I thought it was a stack of dominoes that collap...   Aug 22 2008, 10:34 AM
- - barney_rebel   Mystery solved!!!!!!!...   Aug 22 2008, 11:57 AM
- - Omega892R09   Has anybody here put a comment on PM's web sit...   Aug 22 2008, 12:38 PM
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- - dMole   Here is the transcript, courtesy of a "debunk...   Aug 23 2008, 03:38 PM
- - dMole   From NIST NCSTAR 1-3, Section 7.7.3 [163 of 184, p...   Aug 23 2008, 11:55 PM
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- - Truthseekers   Perhaps NIST can explain this away... QUOTE In 19...   Aug 26 2008, 05:37 PM
- - maturin42   Here is my comment on PM'a latest offering: B...   Aug 27 2008, 01:36 PM
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