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Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21, NIST NCSTAR 1-9 & 1A

dMz
post Aug 19 2008, 01:02 PM
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FWIW, there is a press release and webcast scheduled for 11-noon EDT on Thurs. Aug. 21, 2008.

"The draft WTC 7 investigation report released at the briefing will be open for public comment through noon Eastern Daylight Time on Sept. 15, 2008."

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/calmed/wtc_081808.html

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http://wtc.nist.gov/
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post Aug 21 2008, 03:34 PM
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So now a search turns up 277 media articles. Here's the Propaganda of Record, the New York Times.


Report Says Fire, Not Explosion, Felled 7 W.T.C.

By ERIC LIPTON
Published: August 21, 2008

GAITHERSBURG, Md. — Fires in the 47-story office tower at the edge of the World Trade Center site undermined floor beams and critical structural columns, federal investigators concluded Thursday, as they attempted to curb still-rampant speculation that explosives or fuel fires were responsible for the building’s collapse of Sept. 11, 2001.

The long-delayed report by engineers here at the National Institute of Standards and Technology in suburban Washington is intended to solve one of still lingering central questions about the 2001 attacks: Why did 7 World Trade Center fall, if it was not hit by an airplane.

“Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail,” said Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator. “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oils played a role in the collapse that brought the building down.”

No one died when 7 World Trade Center fell, nearly seven hours after the twin towers came down. But the collapse of the adjacent tower — once home to branch offices of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service and to the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center — is cited in hundreds of books and Internet sites as perhaps the most compelling evidence that an insider secretly planted explosives, intentionally destroying the tower.

It is the first skyscraper in modern times to collapse primarily as a result of a fire.

Mainstream engineers and government officials have rejected the speculation as ridiculous. But national polls have shown that perhaps as many as 1 in 7 Americans believe that the destruction of the World Trade Center towers was an inside job.

The investigators determined that debris from the falling twin towers ignited fires on at least 10 floors at 7 World Trade Center, which was about 400 feet north of where the city’s two tallest buildings once stood. The blazes burned out of control for six hours, as the city fire department, devastated by the collapse of the twin towers, abandoned its efforts to extinguish the fire, and the sprinkler system was incapacitated.

The heat from these fires, the investigators said, caused the beams on the lower floors of the east side of the tower to expand, ultimately causing a girder on the 13th floor to disconnect from a critical interior column that supported the building’s long floor spans. Once the 13th floor gave way, a cascade of floor failures started down to the fifth floor, leading to the overall collapse of the tower.

Skeptics have questioned if explosives were planted at 7 World Trade Center, as well as the twin towers and the Pentagon, as the Bush administration was seeking a justification to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. What started as a small number of such conspiracy theorists has only ballooned into a movement of sorts, largely fed by Internet sites that promote the theories.

“Seven World Trade Center is one of the key points of evidence, one of the smoking guns,” said Richard Gage, a California architect who leader a group called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. “There have been much hotter, longer lasting and larger fires in skyscrapers that have not fallen down.”

The investigators said that if the city water main had not been broken during the collapse of the twin towers, the sprinkler system would likely have put out the fires at 7 World Trade Center, and the building would not have fallen.

The engineers also examined whether diesel fuel tanks in the building — to power the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center and other government offices — might have been a fuel source that caused the collapse. The investigators determined, based in part on computer models and videos of smoke coming from the tower, that the heat generated from any fuel-fed fires would not have been enough to cause the collapse.

Dr. Sunder said the investigation pointed to how expansion that can occur in steel as it heats up in a fire needs to be considered to prevent skyscraper collapses.

“Our take-home message today is the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” Dr. Sunder said. “It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.”

A new, substantially different, 52-story 7 World Trade Center opened in 2006.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html?em


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post Aug 21 2008, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 22 2008, 07:34 AM) *

Dammit I must stop reading those comments pages, same old sh*t going around and around. Although this from Page 4 is interesting ...

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As a former fire fighter who worked at 'the pile' on 9-11 I don't want to believe that my government would be involved in such a heinous thing. However, it was clear to me and to many of us who pulled multiple duties that day, that 'they' (who 'they' were is still not clear to me to this day) had decided we weren't gonna be able to 'save' WTC7 and 'they' were gonna bring it down. After a lot of fuzzing and false alarms, the building did come down. I distinctly remember one of our chiefs saying 'we gotta clear, they're gonna blow it up." In the chaos of that day and the subsequent weeks and months, it didn't even occur to me think about who 'they' were and how 'they' had managed to get the building ready to bring it down. I left the department in early 2003 and any fire fighter (or even police officers, as I recently was told by a former cop), we were all briefed on what happened on 9-11 and it was clear that we weren't allowed to discuss any of it in public if we wanted to keep our jobs. Now, with my wife and two young daughters, I couldn't afford to put my only source of income on the line for something I wasn't even sure about. I've always thougth that people who believe in conspiracies were bunch of crazies. I suppose this is what happened to many firefighters and police officers who were involved in the security and rescue efforts at ground zero who didn't wanna come out in public and talk about what they saw and heard that day.

After I saw the footage of the building coming down at free fall speed, though, it really is hard to think that there was no resistance from the rest of the supporting structure, particularly when you consider that the other buildings in the complex suffered even more severe damage and didn't collapse. In fact, those buildings were 'pulled' due to their condition, much in the same way that Larry Silverstein said 'they' decided to 'pull' building 7.

Although some of the footage I've seen seems compelling, I don't really buy this whole conspiracy, inside job stuff. I don't know who these conspiracy people are and what their motives are in putting together these claims, so I stick with my government's official version.
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- dMole   Nist Wtc7 Press Release Thurs. Aug. 21   Aug 19 2008, 01:02 PM
- - amazed!   It will be interesting to see, just for the specta...   Aug 19 2008, 02:00 PM
- - forthetrees   "11-noon EDT on Thurs. Aug. 19, 2008." ...   Aug 19 2008, 02:06 PM
- - dMole   Sorry about that (too many numbers go through my h...   Aug 19 2008, 02:16 PM
- - Truthseekers   They are already saying it collapsed due to fire, ...   Aug 20 2008, 04:56 AM
- - dMole   I'm going to "scoop" NIST's pres...   Aug 21 2008, 02:49 AM
|- - Truthseekers   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 07:49 AM) I...   Aug 21 2008, 06:06 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Truthseekers @ Aug 21 2008, 04:06 ...   Aug 21 2008, 12:12 PM
- - dMole   This press release should be starting in about 5 m...   Aug 21 2008, 10:55 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 19 2008, 01:55 PM) Thi...   Aug 21 2008, 11:11 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Aug 21 2008, 09:11 A...   Aug 22 2008, 04:12 PM
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- - dMole   I would like a transcript of this little Q&A t...   Aug 21 2008, 11:29 AM
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- - Truthseekers   What a pile of steamin pig S***. It is what was ex...   Aug 21 2008, 11:53 AM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Truthseekers @ Aug 19 2008, 02:53 ...   Aug 21 2008, 11:57 AM
- - Oceans Flow   I didn't watch it because I didn't want to...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 21 2008, 10:06 A...   Aug 21 2008, 12:16 PM
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- - Truthseekers   Funny eh guys?. Dr Shyam (sham) certainly a suitab...   Aug 21 2008, 12:06 PM
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|- - Oceans Flow   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 21 2008, 09:53 AM) Hop...   Aug 21 2008, 12:59 PM
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|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Aug 19 2008, 05:30 PM) EDI...   Aug 21 2008, 03:03 PM
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- - Oceans Flow   dMole, did you read their Q&A page? It's a...   Aug 21 2008, 02:41 PM
- - Oceans Flow   So now a search turns up 277 media articles. Here...   Aug 21 2008, 03:34 PM
|- - KP50   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Aug 22 2008, 07:34 A...   Aug 21 2008, 08:29 PM
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- - KP50   QUOTE The report clarifies a number of widely deba...   Aug 22 2008, 12:20 AM
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