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Who Killed John O'neill?

Leslie Landry
post Aug 20 2008, 11:37 PM
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If you believe the media, John P. O'Neill was simply another innocent victim killed in the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center. But you don't need much imagination to suspect something deeper was at work. Clearly, O'Neill was a man Osama bin Laden wanted dead. O'Neill had been a Deputy Director of the FBI, and Osama bin Laden's main pursuer in the US government. O'Neill had investigated the bombings of the World Trade Center in 1993, a US base in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar-Es-Salaam in 1998, and the USS Cole last year. But once the first plane hit the North Tower, Osama bin Laden wouldn't be the only man to profit from O'Neill's death. At the moment of impact, O'Neill became the man who knew too much. Just two weeks, TWO WEEKS, prior to the attack, O'Neill had left his job with the FBI. O'Neill had quit because he believed that the Bush administration had stymied the intelligence agency's investigations on terrorism. O'Neill charged that it had done so even as it bargained with the Taliban on handing over of Osama bin Laden in exchange for political recognition and economic aid. In the ultimate irony, O'Neill had gone public with these charges at the same time that he was leaving the FBI to become the head of security at the World Trade Center. Creative Commons License (by-nc-sa) http://www.WKJO.com«



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once the first plane hit the North Tower, Osama bin Laden wouldn't be the only man to profit from O'Neill's death. At the moment of impact, O'Neill became the man who knew too much. Just two weeks, TWO WEEKS, prior to the attack, O'Neill had left his job with the FBI. O'Neill had quit because he believed that the Bush administration had stymied the intelligence agency's investigations on terrorism.


Leslie --

I have a different take on O'Neill's death -- it has to do with the mass-media TV aspect of the Psychological Operation that was 9/11/01.
Note that O'neill did not disappear/lose his life until 9/11/01 morning - -just after he had taken up the head of security job at towers working either for the Port Authority, or for Silverstein 's security personally, or for Kroll Security (its unclear which group had the lead here) -- which means he's in the perfect place to 'have an accident or not be heard from again"

O'Neill had been hunting & prosecuting foreign terrorists for years, including going after bin laden -- but he wasnt 'killed' because he 'could have led authorities to bin laden or stopped the attacks' -- it was too late for that.


no, it was a TV expert thing -- think about it -- at the MOMENT the first 'expert' on TV says 'we suspect a terror group, like Al qaeda or bin Laden' -- -that triggers IMMEDIATELY calls to counterterror experts across the country to get on TV to give their opinions. That started happening at about noon or so on 9/11/01 itself -- and who went on TV?

-answer -- the propoents of the PsyOp.
here's a few they brought up
Jerome Hauer - formerly of SAIC, Kroll, Battelle, and head of Giuliani's OEM dept. -- giving his opinion on the fact that 'this could be a non-state group, like alqaeda' --

Paul Bremer - of MarshMac, Kissinger Associates -- later proconsul of Iraq

Tony Lake, former Nat. Sec. Advisor

these fellows, and others, helped spin the bin laden myth -- they were absolutely KEY to selling the shocked american public. after all, they're experts, right>?
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IMAGINE if O'neill had been there -- what woudl he say? would O'neill have been 'on the same message?"

I doubt it.

I think O'neill would have said, as a TV counterterror expert talking to Jennings, Rather, Brokaw, Koppel -- something like "you know Ted, I have been tracking and studying Alqaeda for years. including Bin Laden. They have carried out acts like the USS Cole bombing, the bombingof the US embassies in Nairobi & Tanzania - bombings that didnt require a lot of coordination - just a map, a truck bomb (or boat) -- and some willing martyrs. But this attack is different. in my judgement, alqaeda did NOT have the expertise, knowledge, and technical capability to insert hijacking teams onto aircraft, to pilot them into buildings, to do this. Sure, they might have wished they could, and they mgiht claim credit -- but, folks, I'm John O'Neill, i know how these guys operate, and THIS is beyond their level -- maybe they had a guy or two as part of the team - i don't know. but we're talking about outwitting our counterterror teams at CIA, FBI, we're talking people infiltrated into FAA and air defense response, we are talking expert expert piloting of heavy commercial aircraft -- this is just too much for bin ladens type of operation. i just dont find the 'bin laden did it' explanation very convincing. where's the proof? where's the plans? where's the support team? we may have to look deeper to solve this."


again, CONTROL of the 'alqaeda/binladen' story on 9/11/01 news reports was an absolute ESSENTIAL part of the psy-op -- and all the 'experts' parroted the same damn message.

would O'neill have gone along with the script? can you imagine if he had survived, and been all over the networks as an early skeptic?

THAT's why they killed O'neill


(note: Jerome Hauer was the person who identified O'Neill's body on 9/11/01, said to have been removed from WTC site - but never made clear if he died in building collapse, or in other manner._ Hauer had gone out with O'Neill until 1am the night before, drinking.)
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On September 10th, O'Neill called Robert Tucker, a friend and security- company executive, and arranged to get together that evening to talk about security issues at the Trade Center. Tucker met O'Neill in the lobby of the north tower, and the two men rode the elevator up to O'Neill's new office, on the thirty-fourth floor. "He was incredibly proud of what he was doing," Tucker told me. Then they went to a bar at the top of the tower for a drink. Afterward, they headed uptown to Elaine's, where they were joined by their friend Jerry Hauer. Around midnight, the three men dropped in on the China Club, a night spot in midtown. "John made the statement that he thought something big was going to happen," Hauer recalled.

Valerie James waited up for O'Neill. He didn't come in until 2:30 A.M. "The next morning, I was frosty," she recalled. "He came into my bathroom and put his arms around me. He said, 'Please forgive me.' " He offered to drive her to work, and dropped her off at eight-thirteen in the flower district, where she had an appointment, and headed to the Trade Center.

At 8:46 A.M., when American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the north tower, John P. O'Neill, Jr., was on a train to New York, to install some computer equipment and visit his father's new office. From the window of the train he saw smoke coming from the Trade Center. He called his father on his cell phone. "He said he was O.K. He was on his way out to assess the damage," John, Jr., recalled.

Valerie James was arranging flowers in her office when "the phones started ringing off the hook." A second airliner had just hit the south tower. "At nine-seventeen, John calls," James remembered. He said, "Honey, I want you to know I'm O.K. My God, Val, it's terrible. There are body parts everywhere. Are you crying?" he asked. She was. Then he said, "Val, I think my employers are dead. I can't lose this job."

"They're going to need you more than ever," she told him.

At nine-twenty-five, Anna DiBattista, who was driving to Philadelphia on business, received a call from O'Neill. "The connection was good at the beginning," she recalled. "He was safe and outside. He said he was O.K. I said, 'Are you sure you're out of the building?' He told me he loved me. I knew he was going to go back in."

Wesley Wong, an F.B.I. agent who had known O'Neill for more than twenty years, raced over to the north tower to help set up a command center. "John arrived on the scene," Wong recalled. "He asked me if there was any information I could divulge. I knew he was now basically an outsider. One of the questions he asked was 'Is it true the Pentagon has been hit?' I said, 'Gee, John, I don't know. Let me try to find out.' At one point, he was on his cell phone and he was having trouble with the reception and started walking away. I said, 'I'll catch up with you later.' "

Wong last saw O'Neill walking toward the tunnel leading to the second tower.

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Terror: Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer? Posted by: VALIS on Aug 25, 2002 - 02:17 AM

Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro. Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack." Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_inve...1bioterror.html

In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation. http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/3020501.hym

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10. http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001. http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer) http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c.html - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack. http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge" http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed: http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.html

"....Release a White Paper explaining our goals and rationale for the war in Afghanistan, and outlining the evidence that the al-Qa'eda network was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.... ...Disseminate stories of particular victims to convey the range of people killed in the 9/11 attacks-stress range of religions, races, income levels, etc...

...counteract myth that Mossad was behind the attacks by showing Jews killed, etc...

...Routinely monitor the regional press in real time to enable prompt responses..."

Hauer's deep connection to disinformation circles for his own purpose are well known. In 1998, he convinced New York Mayor Rudi Guilliani to develop a vaccine against the West Nile virus - almost one year before this virus broke out in New York.

To this end, Hauer introduced Col. Thomas Monath of Oravax (now Accambis) to Guliani and organised a business deal.

Hauer also continued giving bioterror lectures and writing terror scenario scripts. He organized a July 26, 1999, conference in New York for journalists and "thought leaders," on bioterrorism and "Reporting on Weapons of Mass Destruction - Responsibility, Reliability, Readiness." At the same time, he was heading the West Nile spray operation in NYC.

Bioterrorism and vaccines - a perfect payroll combination for Hauer?

Among the participants at this 1999 conference was Brigadier General Bruce Lawlor of the U.S. Army and the former FBI assistant director, Lewis Schiliro (NYC).

General Lawlor has in the meantime become the Senior Director for Protection and Prevention at the Office of Homeland Security: http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/bcsia/esdp.nsf/bios/lawlorbruce

Lawlor was the first commanding general of Joint Task Force - Civil Support (JTF-CS), located in Fort Monroe, Virginia. JTF-CS is a standing joint task force assigned to U.S. Joint Forces Command. Lawlor has taught at the U.S. Army War College and served as a consultant to the Defense Science Board.

Nothing is known about his further influence in preventing attacks on America.

However, as FBI assistant director, Schiliro supervised several counterterrorism investigations, including the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

But Schiliro gave up supporting Hauer in February 2000, too. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...terrorism/fail/

He left the FBI to move to credit card giant MBNA Corp.

And Schiliro wasn't the only one.

His close friend Louis Freeh - who was replaced in the FBI in August 2001 by Thomas Pickard as the acting head of the Bureau - started a new job as a Senior Vice Chairman at MBNA Corp in early September 2001 and began to collect shares. http://biz.yahoo.com/t/in/k/krb.html

The background of the MBNA is very interesting. They helped the FBI in tracing the hijackers' credit card transactions, and had a lot of prominent helping hands. Among them was James Kallstrom, the former head of Special Operations, FBI.

BNA also has a controversial status among civil right groups. Since 1996, MBNA CORP has unleashed various bulldozers, dump-trucks and explosives in a savage attack on the Ducktrap Deeryard (major coastal wildlife area on Penobscot Bay, Maine USA) or continued with "dull roar of corporate jet noise".

Then, in April 2001, MBNA also had to deal with cheque fraud. Involved was Intelligent Finance, a Halifax-backed Internet bank and a bogus account for a guy named Vindel. http://www.mbnasucks.org/kallstrom.html

Also interesting is the bio of another director of the MBNA Corporation: Bernadine P. Healy. She also serves as a trustee of the Battelle Memorial Institute and is President and CEO of the American Red Cross. http://yahoo.marketguide.com/mgi/biograph....ph&rn=5570N

On May 10, 2001, a few months before Sept. 11, she testified on "human challenges that we will face during a WMD attack": http://www.slu.edu/colleges/sph/csbei/biot...al/congress.htm

The Red Cross and the OEM under Jerome Hauer worked very closely together.

Hauer's connections and insider information seem to be endless!

He also helped with the construction of the New York OEM headquarters known as "the bunker," on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. http://www.politicsny.com/reports/february...2-sheirer.shtml

The CIA later confirmed that they also had an office in that building, next to the Department of Defense and the INS. For unknown reasons, 7 World Trade Center was the third skyscraper to collapse on Sept. 11. Officially, it began burning after debris from the Twin Tower collapses caused an illegal diesel- fuel tank inside the building to explode.

The presence of this large gas tank - also on the 23rd floor - with thousands of gallons of fuel far above ground, in violation of the fire code, was confirmed some weeks after Sept. 11th. There has never been an official verdict on the reasons for the collapse of WTC 7. A FEMA study failed to reach a clear conclusion: http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch5.pdf

While the collapse of WTC 7 remains a mystery, it cannot be said that the deaths caused by the bio-attack a couple of weeks later were similarly due to incompetence. On the contrary, Hauer had a huge team behind him, and had already warned the White House. Why didn't he leak all his information in time?

In May 2000, the Johns Hopkins Center, in collaboration with the ANSER Institute for Homeland Defense, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the Oklahoma Memorial Institute for the Study of Terrorism held a bioterrorism exercise at Andrews Air Force Base. Former Senator Sam Nunn played the President.

David Gergen played the National Security Advisor. Governor Frank Keating played himself, Frank Wisner was Secretary of State, ex-CIA director James Woolsey (ironically) played CIA Director, John White played Defense Secretary, and Dr. Margaret Hamburg was HHS Secretary. The Attorney General was played by George Terwilliger, William Sessions was FBI Director, and Jerome Hauer played FEMA Director. http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/pages/library/fema.html

"One of the striking observations of this exercise was the unfamiliarity of these distinguished and experienced professionals with the basic decisions and trade-offs associated with managing the response to the epidemic."

Observing was Tara O'Toole, MD, MPH Senior Fellow, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies and at that time Deputy Director of Johns Hopkins Institute.

This started a series of different "war games."

On June 22-23, 2001, the same crew organised their last big scenario before Sep11th. They called it DARK WINTER. It was about a possible smallpox attack. Hauer participated as well, this time "playing" the director of the FBI. The whole list is still mirrored at: http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/participants.html http://www.mipt.org/darkwinter06222001.html http://www.homelanddefense.org/darkwinter/index.cfm

Among the other participants once again: James Woolsey, ex-CIA director Hon. Sam Nunn George Terwilliger etc.

Observing, among many others, Thomas Inglesby, at that time Senior Fellow Johns Hopkins Institute

On July 14th, 2001 the testimony on DARK WINTER was released: http://www.csis.org/press/ma_2001_0723.htm

But when the first anthrax attacks started, the only thing, which worked perfectly, was the distribution of the anthrax antibiotic Cipro, by Bayer. A couple of weeks later, Barbara Rosenberg of FAS (Federation of American Scientists), the magazine New Scientist, the biowarfare convention specialist Jan van Aken, and the ex-UN inspector Richard Spertzel came to the conclusion that the anthrax was homegrown.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991473

Rosenberg was also supported by Dr. Francis Boyle, a human rights lawyer and professor of law at the University of Illinois. An expert on international law, U.S. criminal law and nuclear weapons, Boyle has studied many different biowarfare contracts in which "safety levels were atrocious." He is also author of "The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence": http://www.counterpunch.com/boyle0425.html

Hauer ignored the report by Barbara Rosenberg, but he certainly knew who she was. He first met her on April 10, 1998, at a "roundtable on genetic engineering and biological weapons" under President Clinton. The small group of outside experts and cabinet members present there included: William Cohen (at the time Secretary of Defense), CIA boss George Tenet, Craig Ventner (Celera), Joshua Lederberg (Rockefeller University, Defense Science Board), Thomas Monath (Oravax/Acambis, former CDC and USAMRIID), Hauer, and Barbara Rosenberg.

In November 2001, Hauer was still ignoring the investigations by Barbara Rosenberg, who had already worked out a list of possible anthrax suspects, scientists who would have been able to gain access to the original Ames strain from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick.

http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm

Among the suspects on this list were Battelle and the Battelle Memorial Institute administrators, who supplied the Dugway anthrax proving facility in Utah, where the only virtually identical Ames strain of silica-impregnated hyper-weaponized anthrax was found: http://www.stlimc.org/print.php3?article_id=1295

Meanwhile, Hauer in November started an initiative known as "De-Mystifying the Biological Weapons Debate," and as a member of this group he claimed at the time that the main suspects for the anthrax attacks included "Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists" http://www.basicint.org/BWreport.htm

Therefore we have a lot of questions for him.

Is Hauer in any conflicts of interest?

What was his coordination with FEMA?

Can Hauer confirm, if a FEMA team was already dispatched to New York on September 10, as spokesman Tom Kennedy said in an interview with Dan Rather (CBS, shortly after the attack)?

(INFO: An interview with FEMA director Joe Allbaugh took place on September 12th on CBS at 7:40:20 accirding to the CBS transcript) http://www.google.com/search? q=cache:WsMptQzZzY8C:tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/010912cb.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 )

On May 8, 2001, Bush announced a new Office of National Preparedness for Terrorism at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. At the same time, he proposed to cut FEMA's budget by $200 million. Bush said that day that Cheney would direct a government-wide review on managing the consequences of a domestic attack. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn? pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8734-2002Jan19

Bush was aware of a possible attack, that is for sure.

But the questions are:

Did FEMA have prior knowledge as well?

How deep was the communication transfer between Jerome Hauer, the Pentagon, FEMA and the CIA?

Hauer not only knew former CIA director James Woolsey, but also Milt Bearden, who was station commander and had managed America’s covert war in Afghanistan, helping the Moujaheddin drive out the Soviets between 1986-1989. Both spoke at the Nassau Community College (NYC) on October 22, 2001: http://www.sunynassau.edu/collegerel/news/...01/102201_3.htm

Hauer's connections to the CDC, Johns Hopkins and the CIA (James Woolsey) are well-established. What role did Jerome Hauer really play?

Why was the distribution of Cipro to White House staff on Sept. 11 classified for such a long time (AP)? http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prio.../bush_cipro.htm

What exactly does Hauer know about Stephen Hatfill and his former USAMRIID colleague, Thomas Monath?

What was his main concern in organizing a security job for John O'Neill at the Twin Towers?

What exactly did Hauer organise on Sep11th? Is it true that his office ordered thousands of employees "back to their desks" after the first plane hit, causing hundreds of unnecessary deaths?

Did Hauer let both the Sept. 11 and the anthrax attacks happen on purpose?
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Meet Jerome Hauer, 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment

http://911review.org/Wget/winterpatriot/jerome-hauer.html
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National Television
Which employer -- if any -- was Jerome Hauer representing on the morning of September 11, 2001, when he slipped the seeds of the official conspiracy theory to Dan Rather and his viewers on CBS?


One segment of the video [starting at 2:30] documents the following exchange, from the morning of September 11, 2001:

Dan Rather: Based on what you know, and I recognize we’re dealing with so few facts, is it possible that just a plane crash could have collapsed these buildings, or would it have required the, sort of, prior positioning of other explosives in the, uh, in the buildings? I mean, what do you think?

Jerome Hauer: No, I, uh, my sense is just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building, uh, that burned, uh, the velocity of that plane, uh, certainly, uh, uh, had an impact on the structure itself, and then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat, uh, probably weakened the structure as well, uh, and I think it, uh, was, uh, simply the, uh, the planes hitting the buildings, and, and causing the collapse.

Jerome Hauer is certainly a remarkable guest, isn't he? On the very morning of the event, he had the whole thing figured out.

The collapse was simply due to the planes hitting the buildings, just the velocity of the plane and of course the fact that it was filled with fuel, and the fact that it burned and of course you had that intense heat which must have weakened the structure ... It's incredible, of course. It's also half of the official story!

But let's get back to the attack itself. Who did it? Who could have done it? If you were watching CBS that morning, you would have heard this:

Dan Rather: What perspective can you give us? I mean, there have been these repeated reports that, well, yes, Osama Bin Laden, but some think he’s been over-emphasized as, as responsible for these kinds of events. I know many intelligence, uh, people at very high levels who say, listen, you can’t have these kinds of attacks without having some state, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, somebody involved. Put that into perspective for us.

Jerome Hauer: Yeah, well I’m not sure I agree that, umm, this is necessarily state-sponsored. Umm, it, as I mentioned earlier, certainly has, umm, the, uh, fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden.

And that, of course, is the other half of the official story.
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i want to thank you for your research into hauer.

very educational.

how was it, do you think that he was the individual selected by cbs to create a false story so early in the day of 11/09/01?

as to john o'neill.

i have often wondered if o'neill had begun to sniff that al-kida was the cover for a mossad/shin beth series of false flag ops. certainly that is what his aden investigation suggests. as you know, the first half of his investigation was not greeted warmly by our ambassador, babs bodine[a perfervid zionist who was responsible for having usn ships of the line dock in yemen for the first time in decades..creating another remember the maine affair. i also think that babs was the heiress of a large fortune and was a major contributor to bill clinton. sort of a diane rich lite].

as you know, o'neill refused to wrap up his investigation after his first visit to aden. much to the ire of babs bodine. and he returned to aden to continue his investigation. babs went ballistic. she made many threats so as to get o'neill recalled. she got the usn to prevent an underwater investigation of aden's harbor and the cole's spot in it. eventually, she was able to get o'neill recalled and any further investigation terminated. the official story that al-kida was responsible was going to stand.

i think we shall never know how it was arranged for o'neill's laptop to be stolen during an fbi conference when the conference rooms were purportedly secured. but that occurred. and o'neill was eventually discharged for that breach.

to me, this story revealed that the israeli intell services/the saudi intell services had operatives at the highest level of the fbi/doj. and that o'neill's laptop was targeted for the extracting of any files that he had saved on that drive concerning those players in the great game.

i would like to think that o'neill was savvy enough to have kept his laptop clean. and that he saved the results of his investigation elsewhere. but perhaps o'neill was not so savvy.

on the other hand, if his laptop was analyzed and it was discovered that he had retained nothing from his investigations, there, then i guess one might surmise that he had to be "sent downstream".

because there is always a "through the looking glass" alternative o'neill story. that his discharge from the fbi was notional. that his mission was to take a job at the wtc so as to get inside a potential false flag op. or perhaps that was just what he was told.

i don't know. i can only speculate. but, as i have written previously, from a strategic pov, attacking the wtc towers has never made any sense. especially when there were so many strategic targets nearby.

lastly, the official story is that o'neill was killed in the towers' collapsing. why is it that i think he took a bullet to the brain? from someone he thought was an ally.

recently, a long-time cia agent[carried the rank of colonel or brigadier+], roland carnaby, was assassinated in houston by hpd officers. much like o'neill, carnaby's last task was to monitor the security of the port of houston[the houston free trade zone]. and it would seem that he discovered some things that troubled him.

after being murdered by the hpd[chief is a mossad asset], carnaby's computer was stolen.

and a massive disinformation campaign was launched to obscure his decades-long employment by the outfit, his rank at the outfit.

some will think me to be anti-semitic, but it continues to occur to me that so as to save the usa, we are going to have to remove zionists from the usg.

the zionists are the most homicidal maniacs on this planet at the moment.
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QUOTE (albertchampion @ Aug 20 2008, 12:37 AM) *
i don't know. i can only speculate. but, as i have written previously, from a strategic pov, attacking the wtc towers has never made any sense. especially when there were so many strategic targets nearby.

lastly, the official story is that o'neill was killed in the towers' collapsing. why is it that i think he took a bullet to the brain? from someone he thought was an ally.



The Twin Towers, from a strategic point of view of inside-job pys-ops was a perfect target. Ron Lauder worked with Lew Eisenberg who helped direct privatization and leasing of public property (Port authority) to Silverstein. What do these men have in common?

Back to O'Neill -- if you accept that his death was NO ACCIDENT, then his 'firing' by FBI in late august 2001, and Jerry Hauer helping him get security job at WTC for Silverstein (larry insisted that O'neill start work no later than first week of September 2001) -- implies that O'neill had to be 'removed'-- and 'bundling' his death into Towers would be the easy way to get rid of him.

I stick to my original thesis -- al-qada and bin laden had little or nothing to do with the collapse of towers or planes that day -- no matter what they thought they had planned -- and O'neill would have been all over that story, in the news papers, on TV, expressing his doubts, saying " i have hunted alqada for years, but this isnt their operation -- it's someone trying to pin the blame on alqaeda but its not alqaeda"

can you imagine how much trouble that would cause for the offiical story, if a CREDIBLE FBI AGENT was out there disputing the OCT?
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Thanks for all this information on both O'Neill and Hauser. I have always thought O'Neill's death to be ironic at best and planned at worst. I agre he is a hero whose story needs to be put out there more.
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I found this interesting. First of all, this essay includes analysis of the John O'Neill story/legend. But read the essay anyway if you have the time and you like to think.

http://www.banditobooks.com/essay/

It includes this information - from an article on the life of John O'Neill

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/1...4fa_fact_wright

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On the day he started at the Trade Center—August 23rd—the C.I.A. sent a cable to the F.B.I. saying that two suspected Al Qaeda terrorists were already in the country. The bureau tried to track them down, but the addresses they had given when they entered the country proved to be false, and the men were never located.

So here we have August 23 as the day he started at the WTC and not the same day as 9/11 or the day before as legend tells us.

From History Commons

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?e...l#a082301newjob

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August 23, 2001: Former FBI Al-Qaeda Expert Begins Job as Head of Security at the WTC John O’Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. O’Neill had been the special agent in charge of the FBI’s National Security Division in New York, and was the bureau’s top expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. [New York Magazine, 12/17/2001; New Yorker, 1/14/2002] He’d left his job with the FBI just the day before (see August 22, 2001). His friend Jerome Hauer, who is the former head of New York’s Office of Emergency Management, had found him the job at the World Trade Center. Developer Larry Silverstein, who recently took over the lease of the WTC (see July 24, 2001), had been highly impressed with O’Neill but insisted he start in the post no later than the first week of September, when his firm Silverstein Properties is set to assume control of the buildings. O’Neill had agreed to this. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 336-338, 345-346 and 349-351] After hearing that O’Neill has got this job, Chris Isham, a senior producer at ABC News who is a close friend, says to him, “Well, that will be an easy job. They’re not going to bomb that place again.” O’Neill replies, “Well actually they’ve always wanted to finish that job. I think they’re going to try again.” [PBS Frontline, 5/31/2002] After a few days as the WTC security director, O’Neill will move into his new office on the 34th floor of the South Tower. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 353-354 and 366]
Entity Tags: John O’Neill, Jerry Hauer, Larry Silverstein, Chris Isham, World Trade Center
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline

September 7, 2001: New Security Director Criticizes Poor Security at the World Trade Center Former FBI counterterrorism chief John O’Neill recently started his new job as director of security at the World Trade Center (see August 23, 2001). From the outset, he has engrossed himself in discovering what security systems are in place there, and what will be needed in future. On this day, he runs into Rodney Leibowitz, a friend of his, and complains to him about the very poor standard of security at the Twin Towers. For instance, he mentions that, even though the complex receives bomb threats on a daily basis, its telephone system does not feature caller identification. [Weiss, 2003, pp. 354 and 358] The Trade Center has in fact recently been on a heightened security alert, due to numerous phone threats (see Late August-September 10, 2001). [Newsday, 9/12/2001] Leibowitz is the president and CEO of a company called First Responder Inc., which provides bioterrorism preparedness training to healthcare professionals. [First Responder Inc., 1/14/2004] Until the 9/11 attacks intervene, First Responder Inc. is in fact scheduled to send in a team to conduct a threat assessment of the World Trade Center for O’Neill on September 15. [Swanson, 2003, pp. 52]
Entity Tags: John O’Neill, First Responder Inc., World Trade Center, Rodney Leibowitz
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline

So that's fairly strong evidence that O'Neill was there weeks before 9/11 and therefore, as head of security, must have been intimately involved in ensuring that there were no hitches in the plans.

Add in this also from History Commons

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July 5-16, 2001: John O’Neill’s Movements in Spain Roughly Overlap with Those of 9/11 Hijackers and Associates

The movements of John O’Neill, the FBI manager responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden, appear to mirror those of the 9/11 hijackers and their associates while they are in Spain. Associates of the hijackers gather in Granada, in southern Spain, at the beginning of July (see July 6, 2001 and Shortly After). O’Neill arrives in Spain with some friends on July 5 and stays in Marbella until at least July 8. For at least part of the time in Marbella he is accompanied by Mark Rossini, an FBI agent currently detailed to Alec Station, the CIA’s bin Laden unit, who translates for O’Neill in Spain and whose friend lets O’Neill use his beach house. [WEISS, 2003, PP. 340-2; WRIGHT, 2006, PP. 316-7, 344-5] (Note: Marbella and Granada are both in the southern Spanish province of Andalusia, but are about 120 miles apart.) Lead hijacker Mohamed Atta then arrives in Madrid on July 8, leaving on July 9. [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 244] O’Neill and Rossini arrive in Madrid on July 9 and O’Neill gives a speech to the Spanish Police Foundation there on July 10. [SPANISH POLICE FOUNDATION, 7/10/2001; WEISS, 2003, PP. 340-2] After leaving Madrid, Atta travels to Catalonia, where he meets Ramzi bin al-Shibh and possibly other associates (see July 8-19, 2001). The authors of The Cell, one of whom—John Miller—was a close friend of O’Neill’s, will say O’Neill also visits the same part of Catalonia to make a speech at some point on his trip to Spain (note: it is unclear whether this is just a garbled account of his speech in Madrid, or whether he made two speeches). They will also say that he and Atta even stay at the same hotel, the Casablanca Playa in the small town of Salou, but at different times. [MILLER, STONE, AND MITCHELL, 2002, PP. 289-90, 293] O’Neill leaves Spain on July 16, so he and his girlfriend Valerie James would probably be in the Salou area at around the same time as Atta, bin al-Shibh, and their associates. [WEISS, 2003, PP. 340-2] The overlap between the 9/11 operatives on the one hand and O’Neill and Rossini on the other is usually ignored in media accounts, but the episode in Salou is mentioned in The Cell, which indicates it is a mere coincidence. [MILLER, STONE, AND MITCHELL, 2002, PP. 289-90]
Entity Tags: Mohamed Atta, John O’Neill, Mark Rossini, Ramzi bin al-Shibh
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline

and the coincidences keep on coming. Anyway read the whole essay if you have an interest. He makes a good case for the fact that O'Neill was up to his eyes in 9/11 and given his body was identified by Hauer, maybe he didn't die on 9/11 at all - he merely disappeared to a new life.
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I disagree.

O'Neill was hired by Larry Silverstein to run security. This meant it was likely for him to be at or near towers on 9./11. A convenient cover for his elimination.

O'Neill may have tried to track/trace bombers from USS Cole, Al Qaeda. fine. Guess what O'Neill CANT DO? Ensure that 3 out of 4 hijacked-by-dumb & dumber planes were taken over, flown perfectly to targets, etc.

So O'Neill cant really exert any control over events. But what he WOULD HAVE DONE is gone on TV after the attacks as "one of FBI's foremost experts on terror/binladen/alqaeda" -- and he might have offered a narrative that was NOT, repeat NOT, the 'official jerome hauer' narrative.

Just my 2 cents.
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to me, it seems the author is making too much of oneil's alleged philandering, assuming such allegations werent overstated or outright false/fraudulent in the first place. how do we know these women who surfaced are telling the truth? the one doing most of the talking in that frontline hit piece is a CIA AGENT, and admits so openly, so why should she be trusted? wasnt she betrayed by oneil? wouldnt she at the very least have a personal gripe, if not a possible official agenda?

im willing to accept that oneil may have been a complicit insider, but thats exactly why i think they would have preferred him dead afterwards. too close perhaps to logistical building-rigging-related details, or too much in the know about the overall scenario. as head of security he would have to go on official record about alot of things, but dead - all of that record goes with him. things like the alleged power downs, the removal of bomb sniffing dogs, or things like possible access to the building, would have all fallen under his responsibility.


the author makes a case for oneil's final moments using an author he himself doesnt trust (weiss), but assuming that timeline is factual, how do we know oneil wasnt killed seperate of the collapses? after his last known call, we could just as easily assume he was dead as he could have been alive. the author choses to do the latter, he assumes oneil was alive, then he indicts oneil based on his (would-be) inactions, when to me the more logical explanation would be that shortly after his final call, oneil was murdered outright - either by localized explosives in his office or even a hit squad. yes, i have said it before i think there were individual human targets inside the towers and the perps needed to be sure these folks would not make it out (relying on the collapse-demos would not suffice). to me if anyone fits on such a list, i think oneil would be it (and he would be high on that list).


i think the likeliest scenario is very close to what we know already: that oneil knew alot about "alqueda" and binladen, too much perhaps. in this regard the author dismisses oneil having had any worthwhile inside knowledge and assumes it was all the same boogeyman fluff that the public was (and is) generally fed, even by the likes of oneil himself. the author uses the absence of any google-able info as evidence or even proof that oneil probably knew nothing of value. but any real info on this stuff would have either been top secret or so secret that oneil would have only kept inside his head, so i wouldnt expect it to be present on the internets.

i admit that maybe im not correctly stating the author's views/positions, but there i have a gripe - i find the article to be confusing, thanks to the author blending in the various truth movement groups' issues in to his overall assertions about oneil. i find the mixture unnecessary and as a result i was (at times) unable to follow him. personally i'd prefer to follow one coherent narrative making its case for why oneil may still be alive, instead of diverting into 9/11 movement's having been infiltrated. i dont think the infiltration and gate-keeping issue isnt related in some ways to the author's assertion, nor do i think that that topic should it be ignored, but perhaps he could have written a seperate article that ended up where the current one is - blending various things. but where oneil's would-be complicity and death (or life) are concerned, it would be easier and more effective to follow one piece that from start to finish makes its case for oneil without inserting any peripheral side-topics.

note: the one point im outright unclear about, are the hypothetical scenarios the author puts forth where oneil was an insider and silverstein and hauer decide his death. i have to re-read that part again cuz i lost the angles of what was at stake to whom and how it played into the big picture. maybe someone could interpret and explain the author's allegations in that regard.

overall, the way i see it is that silverstein and hauer are still alive today, free to live what are probably generally boring lives - lives that they could have lived in seclusion on some secret island somewhere (as the author proposes with oneil). oneil on the other hand, if we believe all the innuendo about his multiple simultaneous love affairs, and if he was really a slave to them and his other swanky vices, oneil's life would be completely different. he couldnt pretend to be dead in our world and still be able to keep up with his would-be stable of women, at least not without a whole lot of serious inconvenience, so i dont see why he would have agreed to "disappear" and go deep cover into a new life.


i will read the piece again soon and see if any of the author's key assertions become clearer an/or more compelling, but for now thats my take on it... right or wrong oneil's death (or not) is worth digging deeper into, and in fact has paid dividends already by disspelling that mistaken notion about 9/11 being oneil's "first day at work" at the wtc's, so thanks for sharing it kp.
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O'Neill was doing his job, tracking "terrorists", and was getting too close to the people that were going to be flaunted to the world as the patsies ... so high ups at the FBI and at the State department took him off the case. And he quit in protest and they killed him (Jerry Hauer is up to his elbows in complicity - not just in O'Neill's death but in the Anthrax business). Sorry, I'm just can't wrap my head around O'Neill being in on it. He was where those people were because he was investigating them. (IMHO)
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What if no one killed John O'Neill?

The only one who saw O'Neill was Jerome Hauer. They had diner together the night before. He claims to have seen him running in the Towers to help save people before they collapsed and Hauer is the only one to have ever seen the body after it was recovered, which he wouldn't even allow O'Neill's widow to see because it was too horrible.

The perps needed people on the inside who were willing to lose their lives or disappear, in order to complete the finishing touches for the demolition of the complex. I'd look for O'Neill in a cozy witness protection program somewhere.
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Another two cents (if that lol), for the 9/11 op to succeed, I don't think all of the perps knew the "nuts and bolts" of all of the operations or what the final overall outcome/intentions would be.
The most effective form of state terrorism or the "dirty war" is to compartmentalize the whole operation into various cells (within all positions of control from military, media, govt, right through to civilian bodies) who don't know what the other cells are doing (even feeding false information).

Why? Multi factored reasons.

When the full operation is realized, instant enforced secrecy and acquiescence.
If one cell is compromised, exposure of the rest is almost negligible and/or easily controlled/eliminated.
Layer upon layer of disinfo can be inserted to the extent that nobody "in the know" has a clue what to believe.

It never needed "thousands" in on a massive diabolical scheme. Just a few well placed individuals, military "gadgetry", media propaganda, zealots, blackmail, faceless and soulless mercenaries (not in the usual sense of the word) and blanket disinfo.

The CIA/FBI have infested the internet and beyond with layer upon layer of what has become an overload of "information" and "leaks". Hijackers, whistleblowers, "clues", "dots", "connections" and innuendo.

John O'Neill was either a "hero" or a "scumbag" but Paranoia rightly pointed out that the "source" was a CIA agent. Whenever I see that, I take it with a pinch of salt. It could be a reverse psychological trick like the obvious one they are playing with the Assange weirdness. Or a double reverse psych...

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The fact that O'Neill was made head of security 3 weeks before the towers were blown up (and surely that was a step down for such a powerful FBI man) implicates him as an insider. He could still have been murdered on 9/11 of course, because maybe he wasn't inside enough as OSS says - compartmentalised treachery. Who knows. Same with people like Burlingame the pilot of 77 - sacrificed or an insider who disappeared. We will never know.

I found the article interesting just because the irony of O'Neill starting the day before and being killed by the people he was sacked from tracking is just so Hollywood and was another back story played out as part of the "incompetence caused 9/11" angle beloved of LIHOPPERs everywhere.
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I found the article interesting just because the irony of O'Neill starting the day before and being killed by the people he was sacked from tracking is just so Hollywood and was another back story played out as part of the "incompetence caused 9/11" angle beloved of LIHOPPERs everywhere.


100% mate.

Just like the "we have some planes", "let's roll" and "what should I tell the pilot to do" moments.
Puts a human perspective (Hollywood style) on what were essentially faked/manipulated blips on radar screens with bastards playing "God" in the director's seat.
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One more time on John O'Neill

#1) If 9/11 was a perp-controlled "inside job" O'Neill cant really exert any control over events. Building goes BOOM at 8:46am, then another BOOM at 9:03am, and O'neill, though undoubtedly sleep deprived and hung over, hustles downtown to rush to his JOB, which is head of Larry Silverstein's WTC Security team.

#2) O'Neill dies during that day, causes unknown, many assume he is killed in collapse of one of the Towers. Yet somehow his body is intact enough to be identified by his "friend" Jerome Hauer, a notable suspect in all things 9/11-inside-job

#3) TV ops: with "Bin Laden FBI Expert" O'Neill dead, who do the TV networks go to for "Terrorism Experts?"
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I speculate that if O'Neill were alive on the day of/evening of/weeks after 9/11/01, he would haev been all over TV and whoever would talk to him saying

"There is no way in hell that this attack could have been pulled off by Bin Laden-- we need to look elsewhere."

since 9/11 wasnt just a technical coup, it was a media coup, the whole "narrative" had to be planned ahead of time. Funny thing, Jerome Hauer himself was one of the first on-air "experts" telling Dan Rather that 1) he suspected al qaea and 2) the towers weren't blown up, it was collapse due to jet fuel and damage
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QUOTE (JackD @ Mar 7 2011, 06:11 PM) *
One more time on John O'Neill

#1) If 9/11 was a perp-controlled "inside job" O'Neill cant really exert any control over events. Building goes BOOM at 8:46am, then another BOOM at 9:03am, and O'neill, though undoubtedly sleep deprived and hung over, hustles downtown to rush to his JOB, which is head of Larry Silverstein's WTC Security team.

#2) O'Neill dies during that day, causes unknown, many assume he is killed in collapse of one of the Towers. Yet somehow his body is intact enough to be identified by his "friend" Jerome Hauer, a notable suspect in all things 9/11-inside-job

#3) TV ops: with "Bin Laden FBI Expert" O'Neill dead, who do the TV networks go to for "Terrorism Experts?"
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I speculate that if O'Neill were alive on the day of/evening of/weeks after 9/11/01, he would haev been all over TV and whoever would talk to him saying

"There is no way in hell that this attack could have been pulled off by Bin Laden-- we need to look elsewhere."

since 9/11 wasnt just a technical coup, it was a media coup, the whole "narrative" had to be planned ahead of time. Funny thing, Jerome Hauer himself was one of the first on-air "experts" telling Dan Rather that 1) he suspected al qaea and 2) the towers weren't blown up, it was collapse due to jet fuel and damage

Perfect way to get rid of the big mouth. Move him into the buildings that you know you're getting ready to destroy.

I don't think Larry Silverstein was the only one who moved employees into the complex for the attack. Some were either part of the operation and soldiers willing to die for the cause or people who might be a problem after the attack. I think that's why there were so many victims who had just started their jobs or were getting ready to retire.
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AlbertC....on your anti-Semitic comment, you are absolutely right, in some warped minds that may be , but in truth not so. I have Jewish friends, some who have become Christian (embraced Jesus Christ as Savior) the roots of the Zionist problem in the US was even sighted by former IDF officer and Israeli refugee, Roy Tov in an article that got him banned for a while from Rense.com. It was titled, "Solving America's Jewish Problem." For a real eye-opener spend some time on former Jew, Nathanael Kapner's www.realzionistnews.com. Henry Makow, Jewish also sees the Mossad's hand in 9/11. More than a few of these will attest to the truth of what is known as the "Protocols of Zion". Henry M. wrote a brilliant rebuttle to accusations of anti-Semitism against himself. Its title was, "We're All Anti-Semites Now", after listing details of a dozen or so a/s qualifications, he concluded, "basically if you are for truth and justice you are an anti-Semite. There are connections of the Jewish/Zionist with Freemasonry, the NWO and on up the latter of intrigue, but Jewry, guided by the Talmud is quite un-American in any sense of its good. They should not be allowed in government at all, unfortunatley money talks, and a lot serve the god of Mammon, instead of the Lord.
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