WTC - Towers 1 & 2: General, buildings, fires, investigation... |

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Oct 16 2006, 09:43 AM
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Oct 20 2006, 01:41 PM
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This graphic courtesy of the BBC: (IMG:http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1760/1540044worldtradestructdj4.gif) From the same article: QUOTE "It was the fire that killed the buildings. There's nothing on earth that could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning," said structural engineer Chris Wise. "The columns would have melted, the floors would have melted and eventually they would have collapsed one on top of each other." The buildings' construction manager, Hyman Brown, agreed that nothing could have saved them from the inferno. "The buildings would have stood had a plane or a force caused by a plane smashed into it," he said. "But steel melts, and 24,000 gallons (91,000 litres) of aviation fluid melted the steel. Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire." Now, there is so much disinformation in this BBC article it's not even funny, the least of which being that steel melts at 800 degrees C (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) . The true number is about twice that. Of course no one in their right mind these days would assert that there was any melting of steel going on that day, but the fact remains that this major news organization published these untruths. What else is misleading in this article? First, the graphic grossly mis-represents the buildings' cores. They were massive, containing 47 box-columns each that stretched from the top of the towers to bedrock. The idea that jet-fuel is some kind of mysterious, super-inflamatory substance is highly misleading - in fact it is essentially kerosene, much like lighter fluid. Great for starting charcoal fires, burns off quick. Indeed, there are so many holes in the official account, so much evidence that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition, that I won't even try to enumerate them all - Check it out... |
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Oct 20 2006, 03:42 PM
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(For articles about the controlled demolition aspects of the WTC collapses, see the following topic, WTC:Controlled Demolition) Seffen's Folly: Attempted 9/11 Hoax By Cambridge And The BBC Was A Failure winterpatriot.blogspot, November 05, 2007 http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/11/...11-hoax-by.html QUOTE On September 11, 2007, the BBC ran a piece based on a press release from the University of Cambridge, "9/11 demolition theory challenged", which described research purportedly done by senior lecturer Keith Seffen. Nearly two months later, the world has seen no sign of any such research. ...Most of the other coverage accorded to Dr. Seffen and his paper was favorable to his conclusions, and most of it avoided mentioning that his paper hadn't actually been published Fires, Collapse times, Pyroclastic flow & General Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth ae911truth.org Mission Statement:: To research and disseminate the truth regarding the unlikely “collapses” of the World Trade Center buildings #1, #2 and #7 http://www.brightpathweb.net/ae911/index.html# Can Physics Rewrite History? A compilation of physical impossibilities & overlooked evidence in the official explanations for the destruction of the World Trade Center Complex by C. Thurston, updated 11/06 http://www.truememes.com/911_physics.html Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse? by Steven E. Jones Seminal paper by former BYU Professor of Physics (pdf) http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/...elyCollapse.pdf The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True Authorized Version (with references & notes) by David Ray Griffin 911Review http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html The 9/11 WTC Fires: Where's the Inferno? whatreallyhappened.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm very good http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm Free-Falling Bodies Simple Physics Reveals The Big Lie Collapse Theory Fails Reality Check from 9/11 Blimp QUOTE The scientists who've concocted this "pancake theory" made a fatal error: they forgot to check their work! ...And that's what we're about to do here. We're going to check the work -- courtesy of Sun Zoohttp://911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml Edna Cintron's Last Stand Article & Photos of Edna Cintron, who was photographed waving from the gash in WTC 1 prior to its collapse @ the Web Fairy http://thewebfairy.com/911/edna/index.htm Footage of Ms. Cintron waving courtesy the Web Fairy http://thewebfairy.com/911/humanwaving/ Enlarged photo @ indymedia http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/still-alive.jpg Insuring and Financing of the WTC 9/11 and the Greenberg Familia By Jerry Mazza, Online Journal http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1261.shtml American International Group More information on the parent of the Greenberg group of companies which handled the insuring of the WTC. (cache) http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=steven+...&icp=1&.intl=us Institute for International Economics Renamed in Honor of Founding Chairman Peter G. Peterson Peter Peterson, the co-founder of Blackstone, is the Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, was once the CEO of Lehman Brothers and a US Secretary of Commerce. His role as founder of the Peterson Institute for International Economics, who's members include is even more significant. Members include: David Rockefeller David O'Reilly, Chairman of Chevron Maurice R. Greenberg Paul Volcker, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Stanley Fischer, Governor of the Bank of Israel C. Fred Bergsten, director of the IIE since its founding, previously the assistant secretary for international affairs at the U.S. Treasury Department. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories....04457641&EDATE= Investigation and Cleanup New 9/11 Study Has Direct Links To Government, Pentagon Black Ops by Steve Watson Prison Planet, June 22 2007 QUOTE A newly released Purdue University animation showing how fire caused the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11 claims to be independent but in reality has been federally funded and was conducted by individuals with direct links to the Pentagon and the White House. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2...220607study.htm"Burning Questions...Need Answers": FE's Bill Manning Calls for Comprehensive Investigation of WTC Collapse Fair Lawn, NJ, January 4 2002 @ pennnet.com Comments regarding Fire Engineering Magazine's Editor Bill Manning's call for a proper investigation and the full text of his bold editorial http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Dis...TICLE_ID=131225 WTC Steel Removal The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero Short article about the removal of evidence and the shielding of investigators from getting ahold of it. http://911research.com/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html The Buildings World Trade Center Commentary Facts about the World Trade Center, and World Trade Center - History Commentary Casting Giant Shadows: The Politics of Building the World Trade Center Article by Roger Cohen Portfolio, Winter 1990/1991 issue Post by Michael MR http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6667378 Margie Burns: 'The best unregulated families' By Margie Burns Progressive Populist QUOTE Marvin Bush, the brother of president Bush, was head of WTC security until his contract expired on September 10th, 2001, 1 day before 9/11. Barbara Bush states this fact in her book. http://www.911omissionreport.com/marvin_wirt.htmlAlso principal in the company, was Wirt D. Walker III, President Bush's cousin. 9/11 Planes Flew Directly into Secure Computer Rooms in Both Towers by Christopher Bollyn 11 January 2007 Posted @ 911 blogger interesting http://www.911blogger.com/node/5536 NIST, ASCE and other Official Reports Building a Better Mirage NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up of the Crime of the Century by Jim Hoffman Version 1.0, Dec 8, 2005 Critical Analysis of the NIST report from 9/11 Research QUOTE NIST simply avoids these troublesome issues by placing them outside the scope of its investigation, claiming that "global collapse" was "inevitable" after the "initiation of collapse." courtesy of Sun Zoohttp://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/ NIST in violation of the Data Quality Act by Ed Haas Muckraker Report, May 31 2006 http://www.teamliberty.net/id265.html Purdue Simulation: Full of Hot Air Purdue University did their own computer model of the towers' collapse. Guess who funded it? http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070623103622368 |
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Oct 20 2006, 03:42 PM
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Debunking Brent Blanchard's Wtc Analysis LC Transfer Post by Beached, Mar 1 2007 QUOTE In August 2006, a report was written by Brent Blanchard, Senior Editor for Implosionworld.com ... entitled "A Critical Analysis of the collapse of the WTC 1,2 and 7 from an Explosives and Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint", the report was written in an attempt to "debunk" the claim that explosives and/or similar catalysts contributed to the collapse of the World Trade Center... Beached has outdone himself - this is both brilliant and well-sourced.However, there are many problems with this report which I have detailed below: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=5126 Fires, Burn temps Post by Sanders reconstituted from "Loose Change Debunked., Your production is false" thread @ LC forum http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=5040061 Jet Fuel Burn rates thread started by JDX discussion of the jet fuel & fires http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...hp?showtopic=28 World Trade Center Facts World Trade Center Facts Courtesy of reader Carl Taylor Post by Michael MR http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6667527 |
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Oct 22 2006, 03:09 PM
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Videos NIST engineer, John Gross, denies the existance of Molten Steel "John Gross, one of the lead engineers of the NIST report is quesitoned about the existance of molten steel at the WTC building..." 4 min 25 sec explosive http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...325092501&hl=en 9/11 Revisited An important documentary http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939 ReOpen 911 - JeffKing Talk by an MIT engineer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Son0BWduQx4...related&search= 9/11 Mysteries @ 911weknow.com one of the best documentaries dealing with 9/11 - focus on the World Trade Center collapses http://911weknow.com/ Improbable Collapse: The Demolition of Our Republic From MichaelBerger another good film focusing on the WTC http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782 Websites WTC - 9/11 Independent Analysis of Scientific Evidence Relating to 9/11 Very comprehensive, great resourse from gieis.uni.cc courtesy, solgrabber http://www.gieis.uni.cc/ Truth 9/11 Comprehensive, all the evidence is neatly organized - Excellent. http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth911/truth911/towers.htm Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics! Parts I and II VINTAGE - this was one of the first sites to spring up after 9/11 - saying, huh?? site created by J. McMichael http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html 9/11 Research.com comprehensive site with sections dealing with all aspects of the trade towers collapse http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/welcome.html Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice: Section on WTC Destruction Website founded by retired BYU professor Steven Jones Ph.D. http://stj911.com/ |
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