WTC1 Victim, Jim Gartenberg, "Core blown out"- calls ABC7 from floor 86 before Collapse |

Sep 16 2008, 11:46 PM
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Feb 11 2010, 02:44 AM
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yes, i understand that sentiment. and, of course, i continue what might be considered quixotic efforts to uncover the truths of the past.
getting at the truths for me is like the painful molar that cannot be ignored, that i continue to massage with my tongue. but, over the years, i have learned that very few want to go where i care to go. the loss of a constitutional republic concerns them not in the least. and this is the perspective of the majority of the citizenry, i find. oh, there are exceptions to be sure[individuals on this board, for instance], but in the main, we have been marginalized as "conspiracy theorists". one thing that i have encountered that intrigues me is how this "marginalization" is imposed by individuals who have no specific statist agenda. it reminds me of a brother of a friend who teaches social sciences at a very hoity-toity country day school in the suburbs of sfo. and has taught there for almost 30 years. some years ago, my friend wrote his brother about my questioning of the "official conspiracy theory". which elicited a response that used a high school history teacher's characterization of any individual questioning fdr's knowledge of the attack on pearl harbor as being somehow demented. i must confess, i unloaded on this "teacher". i won't go into the details of my "unloading", but it was tantamount to saying that if i had a child at marin country day school, based on his understanding of the history of the advent of the pacific war, i would be withdrawing my child from that school, and the historical ignorance that it seemed to be promoting. lamentably, this level of historical ignorance reigns in the usa. and as i have learned, anyone who contests the agitprop is ostracized. not only by the amerikan right. but also by the amerikan left. both flanks of amerikan politics foist illusions on the populace. as i may have said some years ago, there was this precept from the greeks: "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king". in this era, in this culture, "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is ignored. perhaps even gitmoed". |
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Feb 11 2010, 02:57 AM
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Leslie Landry WTC1 Victim, Jim Gartenberg Sep 16 2008, 11:46 PM
dMole Thanks Leslie.
I hadn't heard this one before... Sep 26 2008, 11:19 AM
Leslie Landry QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 26 2008, 10:19 AM) Tha... Sep 26 2008, 11:51 AM
SPreston Trapped on the 86th floor of WTC1 by blocked fire ... Sep 26 2008, 05:40 PM
amazed! Fascinating story guys, thanks so much.
Such a ro... Sep 26 2008, 06:02 PM
Leslie Landry Thanks Spreston. By hearing this mans voice on the... Sep 27 2008, 10:13 AM
SPreston QUOTE (Leslie Landry @ Sep 27 2008, 10:13... Sep 27 2008, 09:33 PM
painter I think you're right SPreston. Interesting the... Sep 27 2008, 12:18 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (painter @ Sep 25 2008, 02:18 PM) M... Sep 28 2008, 08:14 AM
dMole Thanks again SP,
The "tradecenter.gif" ... Sep 27 2008, 06:17 PM
amazed! I'm with ya Painter. It must be rotten to the... Sep 28 2008, 05:14 PM
Ayla Very moving to read this story, makes me sad and a... Sep 29 2008, 05:28 PM
SPreston Taking another look at the Jim Gartenberg video
T... Sep 29 2008, 10:14 PM
ogrady Watch this video and see how the news anchors blow... Nov 1 2008, 08:52 PM
ogrady That's a go for a move. I thought about the l... Nov 2 2008, 02:25 PM
dMole Bump, because this is such a sad story, and SO KEY... Dec 6 2008, 05:49 AM
onesliceshort QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 6 2008, 11:49 AM) Bump... Apr 1 2009, 11:33 AM
dMole QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Apr 1 2009, 09:33 ... Apr 1 2009, 06:49 PM
Sanders Thanx for the bump, dMole ... I hadn't seen th... Dec 6 2008, 06:16 AM
dMole (0:28) "...a fire door has trapped us...... Dec 7 2008, 05:19 AM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 5 2008, 08:19 AM) (0:2... Dec 12 2008, 12:35 PM
dMole QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Dec 12 2008, 09:35 A... Dec 12 2008, 04:00 PM
SPreston Trapped on the 86th floor of WTC1 by blocked fire ... Dec 8 2008, 09:15 AM
dMole (0:49) "...things are under control at the m... Dec 8 2008, 03:41 PM
DoYouEverWonder QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 8 2008, 03:41 PM) (0:4... Apr 1 2009, 07:30 PM

achimspok Some might miss that Gartenberg describes the plan... Sep 18 2009, 06:21 PM
van D QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 6 2008, 05:41 PM) (0:4... Dec 29 2009, 09:52 PM
bill After listening to this several times I think pain... Dec 12 2008, 11:06 AM
dMole I believe here is where one needs to look, paying ... Dec 12 2008, 04:22 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE This doesn't make any sense. Why remove ... Dec 13 2008, 01:18 PM
SPreston QUOTE Patricia Puma, 33, mom of 3 called home 4 ti... Dec 13 2008, 12:17 PM
SPreston Here is an ABC person who talked to Jim Gartenberg... Dec 13 2008, 12:33 PM
SwingDangler Fear on the 86th Floor; James Gartenberg Called Fr... Dec 15 2008, 02:27 PM
Paul Right at the moment i am having a little debate wi... Jan 5 2010, 04:50 AM
albertchampion never waste your time arguing with the ignorati.
... Jan 5 2010, 09:56 PM
nitatutt albertchampion:
in a certain sense, this board is ... Feb 11 2010, 02:05 AM
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