Coordinates of Key Locations, Google Earth, etc., Split from RADES M2 TBI Aircraft |
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Coordinates of Key Locations, Google Earth, etc., Split from RADES M2 TBI Aircraft |
 Jun 3 2008, 07:41 PM
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 Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294  |
OK, let's get some lat/lon coordinates for some "key" locations in all the threads, all in decimal degrees unless indicated otherwise.
White House- N 38.897702 W 77.036552 [approx. center, per Google Earth] Pentagon Impact- N 38.871162 W 77.058239 [per Google Earth, handycapt] Pentagon Impact- N 38.870950 W 77.058270 [per Google Earth, Wikipedia] WTC7- N 40.713300 W 74.012005 [approx. center per Google Earth, Wikipedia] Now from TopoUSA, the approximate locations of WTC1N, WTC2So, and the "World Trade Center block" corners [at centers of intersection and yes, there's a typo that should read "AA11"-- DWI]: Map with lat/lon coordinates http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id2906473722.html ~WTC1N- N 40.712445 W 74.013237 ~WTC2So- N 40.711254 W 74.013704 ~WTC7- N 40.713754 W 74.012388 [slightly west of center] NW Corner [Vesey & West Sts.] N 40.713979 W 74.103881 NE Corner [Vesey & Church Sts.] N 40.712402 W 74.010413 SE Corner [Liberty & Church Sts.] N 40.710053 W 74.011956 SW Corner [Liberty & West Sts.] N 40.711195 W 74.014539 A distance calculator is at: http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm EDIT: Using Google Earth and a "NOAA" overlay that is marked up with the approximate prior WTC Plaza locations, I got the following: "AA11" Impact at WTC1N: N40.7124d W-74.0131d "UA175" Impact at WTC2So: N40.7107d W-74.0133d More on the impacts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_t...ts_of_airliners http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...cations.svg.png [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/World_Trade_Center_9-11_Attacks_Illustration_with_Bird[/img]
Reason for edit: Added locations
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Sep 24 2008, 02:59 AM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
QUOTE (dMole @ Jun 3 2008, 05:41 PM)  A distance calculator is at: http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm I've been meaning to link my exported Google Earth locations here. Just double-click on the downloaded .KMZ file, and it should automatically take you there in Google Earth. These are reasonably accurate, and should already be labeled. You will need to right-click and "Save to My Places" if you want them to stay in your Google Earth after closing. You can also turn them off with the check box in the left "places" frames. Some map files/PDF's are mixed in below for convenience with the new forum format. BOS runway #9, where UA175 was officially reported to have taken off: http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3062169916.html A map of where NTSB and RADES data first tracked UA175 on radar: http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3103274185.html CAD analysis of above: http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3103279830.html ----- Light Pole #1 "Impact" http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3062168179.html VDOT Tower [N 38.866565° W-77.069046°] http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3295377432.html ----- Citgo Station (in 2001) [N 38.869572° W-77.063847°] http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3295388825.html ----- NOAA WTC overlay with pre-9/11 building locations http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3062162746.html WTC GPS map http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3103277288.html ------------------------------- EDIT: Here are some of the "early" Google Earth locations from an older version for comparison: "Orange" Pentagon "Impact" location http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299698904.html "Purple" Wikipedia "Impact" location http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299699982.html VDOT Tower #1016111 http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299700129.html FCC-claimed VDOT tower location http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299697890.html I've also estimated one of the Repetitive Randiites' favorite RO2 pushpin locations "RADAR DCA 13:37:47" in GE at: N 38.864840°, -77.072340° This is 0.75 nm from the "purple" Wikipedia "Pentagon impact" location (or 4561.60 feet according to GE), on the SW side of the VDOT tower and south of the smaller turnpike, strangely enough. I'll edit the turnpike? number in here shortly. [EDIT: The "pike" is apparently S. Washington Blvd, or #27 by my Topo map. The "RADAR DCA" pushpin location looked in Google Earth to be an apartment complex parking stall, just north of 10th Street S by my Topo map.] My calculator puts 0.75 "nm" at 4557.0866141732 feet though. Is 4.5 feet in ~4560 really worth quibbling over? |
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Sep 30 2008, 02:18 PM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
About the Reagan Airport DCA beacon:
From post #7: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10693640 ""For the DCA beacon, my Google Earth version 4.2.0205.5730 gave a location of N38.8594556 W77.0364500 (or N38deg 51' 34.04" W77deg 02' 11.22"). I think these were very close to UnderTow's numbers in the DCA DME thread, and I got the same results when setting Google Earth for deg/min/sec or fractional degrees when I verified the arcmin (1/60th degree) & arcsecond (1/3600th degree) conversions." EDIT: Here's the Google Earth file, hot off the press: http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3325762861.html |
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Dec 14 2008, 04:32 PM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
In Google Earth, I get the very contentious, very northernmost corner of the Citgo station canopy at:
N 38.869741°, -77.063928° [W] This is 1682.17 feet from the "purple" Wikipedia "impact" location, and 1712.93 feet from the "orange" "impact" location above. This is also 1870.47 feet from the location that my Google Earth has the VDOT tower at. I get the northernmost corner of the Navy Annex complex at: N 38.869108°, -77.067104° [W] This is 941.46 feet from the "N_Citgo" coordinate at the top of this post, 2634.03 feet from the "orange impact" location above, and 2604.72 feet from the "purple Wiki impact" location. The "orange impact" location is roughly 79.86 feet North of the "purple impact" location. |
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Dec 16 2008, 12:54 AM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
QUOTE (dMole @ Jun 3 2008, 04:41 PM) Pentagon Impact- N 38.871162 W 77.058239 [per Google Earth, handycapt "orange"] Pentagon Impact- N 38.870950 W 77.058270 [per Google Earth, Wikipedia, "purple"] QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 14 2008, 01:32 PM) The "orange impact" location is roughly 79.86 feet North of the "purple impact" location. My version of Google Earth places the Pentagon corners at: Clockwise, from northernmost Northmost N38.872918 W77.054720 East N38.870635 W77.053276 Southmost N38.868862 W77.055598 Southwesterly N38.870060 W77.058490 Northwesterly N38.872573 W77.057911 Odd, huh? |
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Dec 16 2008, 01:12 AM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 14 2008, 01:32 PM) In Google Earth, I get the very contentious, very northernmost corner of the Citgo station canopy at: N 38.869741°, -77.063928° [W] Well tonight, it looks like Google Earth wants to put that northernmost corner a little differently at: Northernmost N 38.869735°, W 77.063912° Clockwise from there: Easternmost N 38.869431°, W77.063588° Southernmost N 38.869336°, W77.063745° Westernmost (or NNW) at N 38.869676°, W77.064088° |
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Dec 20 2008, 01:53 AM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 23 2008, 11:59 PM) Light Pole #1 "Impact" http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3062168179.html VDOT Tower [N 38.866565° W-77.069046°] http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3295377432.html ----- "Orange" Pentagon "Impact" location http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299698904.html "Purple" Wikipedia "Impact" location http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299699982.html VDOT Tower #1016111 http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299700129.html FCC-claimed VDOT tower location http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3299697890.html Working from Craig's post #66 on the Light Pole thread: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10759961 in Google Earth, I find Pole 1 "Impact" : N 38.869528°, -77.061425° [W] Pole 2 "Impact" : N 38.869934°, -77.061123° [W] Pole 3 "Impact" : N 38.869957°, -77.060393° [W] Pole 4 "Impact" : N 38.870284°, -77.060234° [W] Pole 5 "Impact" : N 38.870463°, -77.059824° [W] Again, I've got that VDOT Tower in Google Earth at: VDOT Tower : N 38.866565°, -77.069046° [W] OGCT "61.2" [NTSB True heading 59.8 at 09:37:44 EDT, Mag Hdg (Capt) 070 ] |
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Dec 20 2008, 02:27 AM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 14 2008, 01:32 PM) I get the northernmost corner of the Navy Annex complex at: N 38.869108°, -77.067104° [W], elev=113 feet aMSL This is 941.46 feet from the "N_Citgo" coordinate at the top of this post, 2634.03 feet from the "orange impact" location above, and 2604.72 feet from the "purple Wiki impact" location. Working clockwise from above location, Google Earth places the following: SE Annex corner: N 38.868040°, -77.066669° [W], elev = 124 ft aMSL SW Annex corner: N 38.867237°, -77.069819° [W], elev = 148 ft aMSL NW Annex corner: N 38.868345°, -77.070264° [W], elev = 144 ft aMSL ----------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT: Although I believe this may be an older Beta version of Google Earth, it is less hassle to download it here than from Google from what I saw. Google Earth 4.3.7204.3916 Beta: Free Download http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Goog...load-23512.html http://dl.google.com/earth/GE4/GoogleEarthWin.exe http://dl.google.com/earth/client/branded/GoogleEarthWin.exe The main Google \"Earth 2009\" login page is at: http://official-new.com/earth/ or http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html [includes new-ish and older versions for PC, Mac, and LINUX] |
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Dec 20 2008, 02:33 PM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
I'm reasonably certain that Google Earth uses the WGS84 datum, and I currently have my Topo software also set for the WGS84 datum, but there are some discrepancies that I have found (as will usually be the case in goedesic navigation).
More on datums, geodesy, distance(s), etc can be found by reading these threads: Fdr Data And Aa77 Positioning http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13952 Aa77 Reported Coords? http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=10698 What About The Claim Of Impossible Speed? http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=12029 EDIT: Let's add: Primary Vs. Secondary Radar? http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=8803 Pentagon Maps And Dimensions- Reference http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13365 EDIT: source on WGS84 & Google Earth: http://groups.google.com/group/kml-support...5c82dc112dd9aa9 http://earth.google.com/userguide/v4/ug_importdata.html EDIT2: More goedesy posts: RADES #8 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10534255 FDR Data and AA77 Positioning http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13952 Geodesy #21 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10751776
Reason for edit: Added source link
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Dec 20 2008, 04:28 PM
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Group: Active Forum Pilot Posts: 744 Joined: 25-April 08 From: Canada Member No.: 3,225 |
I found this interesting. dMole have a read.
QUOTE Go:al: An Accurate, Real-Time Global Database of Structures • Use orbital assets to collect and maintain a database of all man..made structures' • Record absolute position, wireframe shape, details as needed • Recognition of. Inter~stlng structures requires 1 meter resolution • Targeting use require.s location accuracy of order 1 meter • AbilitY to get « 1 meter resolution on limited areas desirable • Map the earth: database will be large, collection and processing m'ust ,be fUlly automated • Data rates, processing rates and·storage requirements are of EOSDIS scale • System has obvious civil I economic applications JASON Global Grid Study http://www.governmentattic.org/2docs/ADB16...-Study_1992.pdf Just released, Dec. 11. Also in the study there is a heading "Regional Storm 2010". Things that make you go hhhmmm. |
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Dec 23 2008, 03:14 PM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
Thanks for the above Rico, and thanks to paranoia and others, I find this on the VDOT tower:
The NTSB Flight Path, The Descent Angle, & The VDOT Radio Tower, How'd "Hani" miss it & level off 6 ft over the lawn Post #7: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10733886 http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/...p?regKey=118956 Registration number 1016111 Constructed 07/01/1993 NAD83 coordinates [also WGS84] 38-52-00.0 N 077-04-08.0 W [N 38.8666666666667 W 77.0688888888889] Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM): Zone: 18 Easting: 320507 Northing: 4304015 Elevation of Site Above Mean Sea Level 41.1m [134.842519685 ft] Overall Height Above Mean Sea Level 92.6m [303.8057742782 ft] Overall Height Above Ground (AGL) 51.5m [168.9632545932 ft] Overall Height Above Ground w/o Appurtenances 49.4m [162.0734908136 ft] Google Maps of "FCC" location http://www.rcn.montana.edu/resources/maps/...7.0688888888889 Lat/lon converter http://www.rcn.montana.edu/resources/tools/coordinates.aspx NOTE: Google Earth appears to have a different location of the VDOT tower than the FCC listed lat/lon coordinates. ==================================== Excellent calculators page: http://www.martindalecenter.com/Calculators1B_7_Nav.html |
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Feb 5 2009, 02:57 PM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
According to the NTSB provided "AA77_tabular.csv" file, the last known recorded position of AA77 was N38°52' W077°25' [N38.86667 W77.41667 deg] at 09:37:44 EDT. See post #6 on "Final NTSB SSFDR Parameters" thread:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10763025 Map image http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/18925 ----- 17.82 nautical miles westerly of DCA distance beacon http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/18929 EDIT: This lat/lon > distance calculator: http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm gave brg= 91.27095066025824 deg, distance = 17.82406995027844 nm [108301.1074406682 US feet, or 33.01017754791567 km] ------ The NTSB True Heading (Capt) showed 59.8 degrees at that time- see post #3 on the same thread: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10762908 True Heading chart http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/18835 Pressure altitude is disussed on posts #2 and #12 on that same thread. |
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Feb 8 2009, 04:52 PM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
QUOTE (dMole @ Dec 23 2008, 12:14 PM) Here are likely 99+% of the conversion factors that most people will ever need: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/unit-converter-d_185.html ------------------- Here is that latitude/longitude distance calculator that I use quite frequently: http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm A less useful NOAA implementation of above: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gccalc.shtml There is also an excellent lat/lon distance calculator with slant/altitude correction on the "main" RADES RS3 CD under a /UTILS directory (on my old installation anyway). |
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Feb 11 2009, 03:03 AM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
Here is a tool for probably just the pilots out there:
E6B Emulator http://www.csgnetwork.com/e6bcalc.html |
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Feb 11 2009, 11:06 PM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
It appears that the final 2 RADES radar returns attributed to UA93 were:
Time(EDT), ModeC (feet), Lat(deg), Long (deg) 10:02:20, 7800, N 40.0944, W 78.9215 10:02:32, 6100, N 40.0678, W 78.9172 RADES lists the Mode3/A as "squawking 1527" at the end of the data. |
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