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Ins Vs. Dme Positional Data, cross posted from ATS

rob balsamo
post Oct 4 2008, 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by beachnut

The yellow dot is the NTSB reported position, and that is good to 1500 feet, from a fully working INS (FMS system on Flight 77).


How can an INS which was never aligned at the gate,



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http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...960/INS_IAD.jpg

become more accurate inflight?

Answer, it cant. This according to 757 Captain Ralph Kolstad (who flew INS equipped 757's for American) and Rusty Aimer (a United 757 Captain).

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From: Pilots For Truth [mailto:pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:16 PM
To: Ross; Ralph Kolstad
Subject: INS/IRS

Hi Guys,

Quick question...

If the INS/IRS was not aligned at the gate first flight of day, and the INS was off by more than 3000 feet at take off, can the INS/IRS realign itself inflight?

See this picture...
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myp...960/INS_IAD.jpg

The above is lat/long plot for AA77 first flight of day obviously out of IAD runway 30. Clearly the INS wasnt aligned at the gate. Can it realign itself in flight without GPS? (AA77 didnt have GPS on board).

I already know the answer speaking with a few others, but also wanted to get your take on it for a possible quote.


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RE: INS/IRS
Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:08 AM
From: "Ralph Kolstad" <rkolstadx@xxxxx>
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To: pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com

In a word, NO.... navigation functions will have huge errors in them.

Ralph






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From: Pilots For Truth [mailto:pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:56 AM
To: Ralph Kolstad
Subject: RE: INS/IRS



Morning Ralph,

The whole purpose of the video is to demonstrate that it would be impossible to record 1.5 DME if the FDR terminated recording at the last lat/long.

Govt apologists claim the FDR stopped recording all parameters at the last lat/long.... They do this to justify too high altitude.. etc...

We (P4T) contend that its impossible the FDR stopped recording at the last lat/long because it recorded 1.5 DME DCA VOR.... Not to mention the NTSB did not stop their plot at the last lat/long.

Considering the Lat/long was off by more than 3000 feet at departure and cannot realign in flight, and INS is prone to errors such as drift, etc... the DME is more accurate. Especially within 1.5 NM of the facility. Agree?

Regards,
Rob


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Monday, September 29, 2008 12:22 PM
From: "Ralph Kolstad" <rkolstadx@xxxxxx>
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To: pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com

I agree with all that you just said. Good job on the video!

Ralph


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Rob,

Fantastic job on the new video!
Keep searching for the truth brother and the truth will set this nation free.
You will be ridiculed, hunted, and persecuted.....
Those of us who still have many questions will support you.

Best,

Ross Aimer

Source


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Credentials/Experience for Capt's Rusty Aimer and Ralph Kolstad

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Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
B757/767 for 13 years mostly international captain
20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds


Captain Ross "Rusty" Aimer
UAL Ret.
CEO, Aviation Experts LLC
40 years and 30,000 hrs.
BS Aero
A&P Mech.
B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings
Command time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
www.AviationExperts.com

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Also, the INS position derived from "RO2" was based on a decode Pilots For 9/11 Truth did. It is NOT a position "reported by NTSB" as Beachnut claims above. No one else here or elsewhere have the experts to decode the 'raw file' into a rough "RO2" as did P4T. Pilots For 9/11 Truth add the disclaimer that the software used for the RO2 decode is not meant for Accident Investigation. There are many anomalies in the RO2 decode, which is why Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not write any articles on the main site based on RO2 nor do we argue points with govt agencies based on RO2. We can only use the plotted and produced csv/animation files and NTSB Flight Path Study to determine conflicts with the govt story, of which there are many.

We also created this diagram recently to offset the often spammed picture Beachnut uses based on a decode P4T did, in which P4T admits RO2 cannot be used for anything.



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The only position we can use is the position plotted and provided by the Experts at the NTSB in the form of the csv file (not a 'working copy') and the NTSB Flight Path Study (also not a 'working copy') who have the proper software to decode FDR files. The NTSB does not make any claims of positional error in their plot, "time of impact".. etc. The NTSB Flight Path Study is not a "working copy".

The animation reconstruction produced and provided by the NTSB was stated to be a "working copy". The NTSB notes in the same cover letter that they want everything as accurate as possible when providing information through the FOIA, however they note one error which was made to the clock annotation in the animation reconstruction. They do not account for any other possible errors regarding the animation in this cover letter.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Rob
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