Learning How To Be Free: An Invitation, from a painter |

Oct 17 2008, 09:51 PM
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∞* M E R C U R I A L *∞ Group: Valued Member Posts: 5,870 Joined: 25-August 06 From: SFO Member No.: 16 |
NOTE: The original Topic Title of this thread was "Learning How To Read . . ." but I've changed it in hopes that we can begin to escape the literal associations of the word "read". If "free" suffers the same fate, I may change the Title yet again. I've been thinking about this for a long time. Months. Over the course of being a member of this forum, especially in the context of "Alternative Theories," I've occasionally mentioned the necessity of "knowing how to read." Of course what I mean by this isn't directly related to knowing how to read the words you see before you here. All of us know how to do that more or less. If you're not familiar with my having said anything about this, I point you specifically to this post on my pinned and closed 'esoteric' thread here: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....t&p=7894218 A few members of this forum have asked me to say more about what I mean by this "learning how to read" business and it is this that I've been contemplating for a long time now. Having given it some serious consideration I've decided to post and pin this thread here as an open "invitation." First I am inviting you to engage with me and one another in some discussion here about this topic. However, I am very aware that discussion of this topic is by necessity limited so long as it remains nothing more than discussion. To go further requires something more of us: Specifically a willingness to engage in exercises and experiments which can begin to move us beyond mere discussion into the realm of actual experience and knowledge based upon that experience. This invitation, therefore, is offered as a starting point in the hope that some of you may wish to go further and take all this to another level. All I will say about that at this point is that the possibility exists, although necessarily limited by this forum/text medium within which we correspond. For this purpose I'm in the process of establishing another forum, participation in which will be by invitation only and will require that users not be anonymous and have a genuine interest in coming to a more direct understanding through observation. So, I will leave this as it is. Feel free to ask whatever questions you wish and we'll see how this goes. |
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Feb 8 2009, 12:56 PM
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Group: Student Forum Pilot Posts: 86 Joined: 7-February 09 Member No.: 4,112 |
Finding this very interesting, having been asking myself the same question for several years now. Who, or what, am I?
I feel that I’m not my name… that’s just a label others use to refer to me. I feel that I’m not my job, or my interests… they’re just things that whatever I am is doing. I feel that I’m not my thoughts (though I am aware that Descartes would not agree!)… because I am having them. The closest I’ve come so far in answering this question is that whatever I am, I am the observer of all these other things. Maybe it’s enough simply to say, I am? (reminds me of that ol' line: 'I'm a human being, not a human doing') I’ve been trying similar things to some mentioned here… such as simply observing what is going on around me without judgement (not easy); observing my thoughts without following them or allowing myself (whatever that is!) to get drawn into them, and gradually learning to sometimes suspend thought altogether in an attempt to be aware of what remains. Can’t say I’ve particularly found any answers… but I have found I seem to be much less reactive to problems and issues… a lot calmer… a more peaceful what-ever-I-am. I’ve also found ‘myself’ feeling as if I am beginning to understand things more deeply… but in ways that cannot really be put into words… Perhaps this relates to Painter’s idea of ‘learning to read / be free’? Or maybe not! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) If it’s any consolation, Painter, the question of ‘Who am I?’ is one explored in depth in at least one classroom every year… with some very interesting things experienced and hypotheses suggested. A popular response is "I am life"... but my next question is... and what does that mean?! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by Willow: Feb 8 2009, 03:56 PM |
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painter Learning How To Be Free: An Invitation Oct 17 2008, 09:51 PM
bill There are quite a few of us here that are of the v... Oct 18 2008, 12:11 AM
painter Thanks, bill. That's correct, I'm not talk... Oct 18 2008, 01:47 PM
Christophera QUOTE (painter @ Oct 16 2008, 04:47 PM) T... Oct 27 2008, 09:55 PM

lunk QUOTE (Christophera @ Oct 27 2008, 06:55 ... Oct 27 2008, 11:05 PM
gugu2dede2 QUOTE (painter @ Oct 18 2008, 05:47 PM) T... Aug 6 2010, 04:25 PM
Sanders Thanks painter, I'm finally starting to unders... Oct 18 2008, 02:25 PM
painter Welcome to the discussion, Sanders. I was hoping y... Oct 18 2008, 02:34 PM
Rickysa I've been working my way through "A Sense... Oct 27 2008, 09:49 AM
painter QUOTE (Rickysa @ Oct 27 2008, 06:49 AM) I... Oct 27 2008, 01:51 PM
Sanders I'm truly an amateur at this, and I only have ... Oct 27 2008, 01:09 PM
painter QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 27 2008, 10:09 AM) I... Oct 27 2008, 02:26 PM

dMole QUOTE (painter @ Oct 27 2008, 12:26 PM) (... Oct 29 2008, 08:03 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 25 2008, 04:09 PM) I... Oct 28 2008, 12:25 PM
lunk I think it's more learning to discern the trut... Oct 27 2008, 03:08 PM
bill Learning
learning implies that an organism can in... Oct 28 2008, 01:05 AM
Christophera QUOTE (bill @ Oct 26 2008, 04:05 AM) Lear... Oct 28 2008, 06:09 PM
painter Whoa whoa whoa!
Let's slow down a bit.
Ea... Oct 28 2008, 08:44 PM
Christophera QUOTE (painter @ Oct 26 2008, 11:44 PM) W... Oct 28 2008, 11:17 PM
painter QUOTE (Christophera @ Oct 28 2008, 08:17 ... Oct 29 2008, 01:29 PM
Christophera QUOTE (painter @ Oct 27 2008, 04:29 PM) T... Oct 29 2008, 03:03 PM
KP50 I am a product of my background and random events ... Oct 29 2008, 03:04 PM
lunk Personality can exist without conscious memory.
... Oct 29 2008, 03:58 PM
Christophera QUOTE (dMole @ Oct 27 2008, 11:03 PM) Yup... Oct 30 2008, 01:21 PM
Sanders QUOTE (Christophera @ Nov 3 2008, 12:21 P... Oct 30 2008, 04:17 PM
Christophera QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 28 2008, 07:17 PM) I... Oct 31 2008, 04:31 AM
lunk It's interesting that information between comp... Oct 31 2008, 08:25 AM
dMole Not to completely derail painter's thread, but... Oct 31 2008, 03:14 PM
Christophera QUOTE (painter @ Oct 16 2008, 12:51 AM) F... Nov 2 2008, 11:38 PM
dMole I suppose that time, linearity, and a definition o... Nov 2 2008, 11:56 PM
GroundPounder alright painter, you piqued my curiousity.
what d... Nov 9 2008, 07:38 PM
painter QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 9 2008, 03:38 ... Nov 10 2008, 04:18 AM
lunk Ooh, hey,
my hand's up, I got the answer,
can... Nov 10 2008, 01:40 AM
The artful dodger Fantastic thread... many thanks for posting.
Isn... Nov 10 2008, 10:27 AM
dMole TAD just reminded me of an excellent book that was... Nov 10 2008, 10:57 AM
painter You probably noticed that I changed this topic... Nov 11 2008, 03:52 AM
dMole I wouldn't say I'm "caught up" i... Nov 11 2008, 06:20 AM
painter QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 11 2008, 02:20 AM) I... Nov 11 2008, 02:48 PM
GroundPounder saw the new title, thought it was a new topic...ex... Nov 11 2008, 07:28 AM
painter QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 11 2008, 03:28... Nov 11 2008, 01:45 PM
Sanders I don't care which title ...
But the action... Nov 11 2008, 12:59 PM
painter QUOTE (Sanders @ Nov 11 2008, 08:59 AM) .... Nov 11 2008, 02:02 PM
Wingmaster05 To answer the question, "tell me who you are... Nov 11 2008, 02:52 PM
painter QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Nov 11 2008, 10:52 ... Nov 11 2008, 03:16 PM
lunk The answers are everywhere.
It's formulating t... Nov 11 2008, 08:38 PM
painter QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 11 2008, 04:38 PM) The ... Nov 12 2008, 02:01 PM
Rickysa I am the same person I was as a small child
I sti... Nov 12 2008, 11:57 AM
painter QUOTE (Rickysa @ Nov 12 2008, 07:57 AM) I... Nov 12 2008, 02:30 PM
painter I've written several posts on other threads, most ... Nov 14 2008, 12:13 PM
painter Source: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.... Nov 14 2008, 12:15 PM
painter Source: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.... Nov 14 2008, 12:16 PM
painter Source: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.... Nov 14 2008, 12:17 PM
sb5walker Painter, great series of posts - offers me an oppo... Nov 14 2008, 11:07 PM
painter QUOTE (sb5walker @ Nov 14 2008, 07:07 PM)... Nov 15 2008, 02:28 AM
painter Source: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.... Nov 14 2008, 12:18 PM
GroundPounder has any body read 'disappearance of the univer... Nov 14 2008, 01:59 PM
lunk Intuition, vs, subliminally planted predictive pro... Nov 16 2008, 06:40 AM
painter QUOTE (Willow @ Feb 8 2009, 08:56 AM) ...... Feb 9 2009, 03:12 AM
Willow Why, thank you
Would be more than happy to enga... Feb 10 2009, 03:54 PM
Willow Been thinking about your ‘go find your question’ s... Feb 15 2009, 02:10 PM
painter QUOTE (Willow @ Feb 15 2009, 11:10 AM) Af... Mar 9 2009, 12:23 AM
Sanders You know, for any Kubrick fans out there there is ... Mar 11 2009, 01:42 PM
painter "Attention" is the key to everything.
W... Mar 11 2009, 02:08 PM
Willow Pardon my technical ineptitude (haven't clue h... Mar 11 2009, 03:12 PM
The artful dodger Willow, although I could turn around 180 degrees a... Mar 11 2009, 03:22 PM
Willow QUOTE (The artful dodger @ Mar 11 2009, 07... Mar 11 2009, 03:29 PM
The artful dodger Sorry Painter - you've already been there... Mar 11 2009, 03:29 PM
greenrayriver QUOTE First I am inviting you to engage with me an... Aug 7 2010, 11:49 AM
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