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Chemtrail Footage Leaves Much Less Doubt That They Are Real, merged, edited title

Carl Bank
post Oct 19 2008, 05:10 PM
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This is from Japan. Exclusively for you, Zap.
After you whatched this short flick, there will be no
doubt anymore that chemtrails actually exist.

And, look for yourselve: They can be even really beautiful. Sigh



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8-2TAHXfU
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post Oct 27 2008, 07:12 AM
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Awesome video!
Is that just one day of traffic?
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post Oct 27 2008, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 27 2008, 12:12 PM) *
Awesome video!
Is that just one day of traffic?


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@Carl

Pilots are generally reluctant to offer theory (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
All I can say (and BTW every other pilot or aviation professional) is that the Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory is full of impossibilities, illogicalness and patently false in many respects from an aviation POV.

But when it comes to put a good friend's mind to rest I'll try an explanation for the strange clouds in your vid:

1. I have no doubt that those parallel 'cloud-strings' could have been caused by airliners flying on the same flightlevel and on parallel tracks on the same airway (not at the same time, with the usual separation of course).

2. I can't easily explain the reason for the 'strings' beginning and ending in almost the same area to somebody not familiar with meteorological phenomenons like non laminar flow of air layers (like in a Mountain Wave) and conditions like temperature and dew-point changing with altitude and pressure, causing thick, persistent contrails or thin, short, quickly disapearing contrails.
You have to believe me there: Pilots have seen all variations of contrails emerging from KNOWN, civil air-traffic. The "alarming" photos spread by websites of chemtrail apologists show nothing, that hasn't always been the case in aviation since the use of jet engines.

The only thing is, that air-trafic has multiplied to a dramatic level - and there is no doubt in my mind, that polution of our higher atmosphere is getting a severe problem.

Result - on clear days with blue skies: lots of contrails!!! for speculations and 'chemtrail'-photos + vids. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



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Not sure if this is still a research topic - sorry for my lack of time to carefully chose my words.
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post Oct 27 2008, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Oct 27 2008, 08:35 AM) *
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@Carl

Pilots are generally reluctant to offer theory (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
All I can say (and BTW every other pilot or aviation professional) is that the Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory is full of impossibilities, illogicalness and patently false in many respects from an aviation POV.

But when it comes to put a good friend's mind to rest I'll try an explanation for the strange clouds in your vid:

1. I have no doubt that those parallel 'cloud-strings' could have been caused by airliners flying on the same flightlevel and on parallel tracks on the same airway (not at the same time, with the usual separation of course).

2. I can't easily explain the reason for the 'strings' beginning and ending in almost the same area to somebody not familiar with meteorological phenomenons like non laminar flow of air layers (like in a Mountain Wave) and conditions like temperature and dew-point changing with altitude and pressure, causing thick, persistent contrails or thin, short, quickly disapearing contrails.
You have to believe me there: Pilots have seen all variations of contrails emerging from KNOWN, civil air-traffic. The "alarming" photos spread by websites of chemtrail apologists show nothing, that hasn't always been the case in aviation since the use of jet engines.

The only thing is, that air-trafic has multiplied to a dramatic level - and there is no doubt in my mind, that polution of our higher atmosphere is getting a severe problem.

Result - on clear days with blue skies: lots of contrails!!! for speculations and 'chemtrail'-photos + vids. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



moving to debate
Not sure if this is still a research topic - sorry for my lack of time to carefully chose my words.



Zap hit the nail on the head.....contrails are rarely the same, disperse differently, and look different from the ground because they are at different altitudes and dispersion rates. With all the airlines scheduling their city pair flights around the same times, i.e. LGA-SFO all leaving so as to arrive before 5 p.m., air traffic control will ground hold all the 5:00 LGA-SFO so that their departures are "spaced". Oftentimes, the clearances will either by slightly different routing, or with today's flight management systems, they fly "offset tracks". Therefore, if you are on the ground underneath today's popular route, you can see parallel contrails or parallel contrails that follow "in trail". I've seen some strange S**T around the world, particularly over the NOPAC (northern pacific), but never anything that would make me think it was a chemtrail. IMO (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)
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- Carl Bank   Chemtrail Footage Leaves Much Less Doubt That They Are Real   Oct 19 2008, 05:10 PM
- - lunk   QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Oct 19 2008, 02:10 PM)...   Oct 25 2008, 07:32 AM
- - Zapzarap   QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Oct 19 2008, 10:10 PM)...   Oct 25 2008, 10:11 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Oct 25 2008, 07:11 PM) ...   Oct 25 2008, 11:36 PM
|- - Zapzarap   QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 26 2008, 04:36 AM) Look...   Oct 26 2008, 03:41 PM
- - Oceans Flow   That video has been floating around the internet f...   Oct 26 2008, 04:57 PM
|- - keroseneaddict   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Oct 26 2008, 04:57 P...   Oct 26 2008, 05:04 PM
- - Oceans Flow   Why would 'airliners' fly at different alt...   Oct 26 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - keroseneaddict   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Oct 26 2008, 05:12 P...   Oct 26 2008, 08:20 PM
- - Oceans Flow   I took photos for four days last week. Here are Tu...   Oct 26 2008, 05:44 PM
- - lunk   Sorry Zap, I'll make a point of linking bette...   Oct 26 2008, 06:43 PM
- - lunk   From 2004. QUOTE Last December, a Canadian citize...   Oct 26 2008, 08:39 PM
|- - keroseneaddict   QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 26 2008, 08:39 PM) From...   Oct 26 2008, 08:53 PM
- - keroseneaddict   Forgot this: Last December, a Canadian citizen co...   Oct 26 2008, 08:56 PM
- - Zapzarap   Thx Keroseneaddict! Good arguments and facts f...   Oct 27 2008, 01:18 AM
- - lunk   Maybe they move commercial airplanes out of planne...   Oct 27 2008, 06:05 AM
|- - Zapzarap   QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 27 2008, 11:05 AM) Mayb...   Oct 27 2008, 06:59 AM
- - Carl Bank   Zap, please try to put my mind to rest and explain...   Oct 27 2008, 07:10 AM
- - lunk   Awesome video! Is that just one day of traffi...   Oct 27 2008, 07:12 AM
|- - Zapzarap   QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 27 2008, 12:12 PM) Awes...   Oct 27 2008, 08:35 AM
|- - keroseneaddict   QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Oct 27 2008, 08:35 AM) ...   Oct 27 2008, 04:39 PM
|- - Lasthorseman   Just my two cents worth on this subject. For thr...   Nov 22 2008, 03:11 PM
- - amazed!   I could not read the Japanese subtitles, but pictu...   Oct 27 2008, 10:39 AM
- - lunk   There are existing patents for atmospheric dispers...   Oct 27 2008, 12:42 PM
- - lunk   I can really only go by observation about this top...   Oct 27 2008, 07:19 PM
|- - keroseneaddict   QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 27 2008, 07:19 PM) I ca...   Oct 27 2008, 08:03 PM
- - lunk   It's the symmetry of the clouds. Square clou...   Oct 27 2008, 08:54 PM
- - dMole   I've posted these several places here before (...   Nov 8 2008, 08:58 PM
|- - p.w.rapp   QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 9 2008, 01:58 AM) I've...   Nov 9 2008, 05:36 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 8 2008, 05:58 PM) ----...   Nov 10 2008, 10:36 AM
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|- - keroseneaddict   QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 8 2008, 08:07 PM) Here...   Nov 8 2008, 09:59 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (keroseneaddict @ Nov 8 2008, 06:59...   Nov 9 2008, 12:10 AM
- - GroundPounder   so if his equations are accurate (they didn't ...   Nov 8 2008, 09:40 PM
- - dMole   I'm not certain that Clifford's was intend...   Nov 8 2008, 10:04 PM
- - lunk   We only want to study nuclear explosions to help...   Nov 9 2008, 06:25 AM
- - dMole   Well, I mostly have moved those threads p.w., exce...   Nov 9 2008, 06:48 AM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 9 2008, 02:48 AM) One ...   Nov 9 2008, 07:25 AM
- - dMole   To recap, we've got photographic evidence at p...   Nov 9 2008, 07:31 AM
|- - p.w.rapp   QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 9 2008, 12:31 PM) To r...   Nov 10 2008, 03:54 AM
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- - bill   dMol you have nailed it the science has proved...   Nov 9 2008, 08:56 AM
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- - lunk   I'm planning on getting, yet, another air fil...   Nov 9 2008, 09:15 AM
- - amazed!   Bill, what kind of aircraft did you observe dispen...   Nov 9 2008, 12:27 PM
|- - bill   QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 9 2008, 10:27 AM...   Nov 9 2008, 04:24 PM
|- - Oceans Flow   QUOTE (bill @ Nov 9 2008, 12:24 PM) I nev...   Nov 9 2008, 09:30 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Nov 9 2008, 06:30 PM...   Nov 10 2008, 12:26 AM
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- - dMole   Well Zap re-iterating, the full text of US Patent ...   Nov 10 2008, 08:49 AM
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|- - bill   QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 11 2008, 07:37 AM) I wo...   Nov 11 2008, 12:11 PM
- - dMole   Looking again at US patent 5,003,186: http://patf...   Nov 10 2008, 05:17 PM
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- - amazed!   dMole #55 That photo reminds me very much of some...   Nov 11 2008, 09:39 AM
- - lunk   Is it possible to do soil samples too?   Nov 11 2008, 12:31 PM
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