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Oct 19 2008, 05:10 PM
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This is from Japan. Exclusively for you, Zap.
After you whatched this short flick, there will be no doubt anymore that chemtrails actually exist. And, look for yourselve: They can be even really beautiful. Sigh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8-2TAHXfU |
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Nov 8 2008, 09:07 PM
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Here's the math and science on vapor condensation from Cliff Carnicom, again:
http://www.carnicom.com/model1.htm http://www.carnicom.com/model2.htm Distance formation model http://www.carnicom.com/distance1.htm |
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Nov 8 2008, 09:59 PM
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Here's the math and science on vapor condensation from Cliff Carnicom, again: http://www.carnicom.com/model1.htm http://www.carnicom.com/model2.htm Distance formation model http://www.carnicom.com/distance1.htm Good science, but, we must remember that water vapor is not the only particulant in a kero burning engine. As I remember, when kero is burned, the carbon particulant size is larger than normal.........But, then again, I am getting old and have spent too much time in airplanes...frys the brain...(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Nov 9 2008, 12:10 AM
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Group: Global Mod Posts: 5,019 Joined: 2-October 07 From: USA, a Federal corporation Member No.: 2,294 |
Good science, but, we must remember that water vapor is not the only particulant in a kero burning engine. As I remember, when kero is burned, the carbon particulant size is larger than normal... According to Figure 3.3 of the following (p. 21/96 in the PDF): http://www.chevronglobalaviation.com/docs/...tech_review.pdf Jet A per ASTM D 1655 is: 0.10 mg KOH/g Acidity 25% Vol, max, Aromatics 0.30% Sulfur, mass 0.003 Sulfur, mercaptan, mass 3.0% Naphthalenes, vol%, max. 7 mg/100 ml, existent gum, max. -------------- According to the Jet-A MSDS sheet at: http://www.spragueenergy.com/documents/MSD...20Fuel%2006.pdf We have 99% kerosene, and <1% polycyclic hydrocarbons ---------------- According to: http://www.intox.org/databank/documents/ch...fuel/cie768.htm "There is no standard formula for Jet A. The straight-run kerosene stream is used for aviation fuel production. Jet A and Jet A-1 are mixtures of aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons with carbon numbers predominantly in the range of C9-C16 and which meet the requirements of ASTM specification D 1655.(24) Jet A and Jet A-1 only differ in freezing point. According to the specification, the maximum allowed level of aromatic hydrocarbons is 25% (by volume) and 3% naphthalenes (by volume). Total sulfur (0.3% by weight) and mercaptan sulfur (0.003% by weight) are present as impurities. Jet A has a distillation range of less than 205 to 300 deg C (401 to 572 deg F). The physical properties given in this review are either for specific products, from the specification or for straight-run kerosene (CAS 8008-20-6). The specification lists a number of additives that may be used in jet fuels. Typical additives include an antioxidant (e.g. 2,6-di-tert-butylphenol and tert- and tri-tert-butylphenols), a metal deactivator (e.g., N,N- disalicylidene-1,2-propanediamine), an electrical conductivity additive (e.g. Stadis 450), a static inhibitor, a fuel system icing inhibitor (e.g. diethylene glycol monomethyl ether), a corrosion of steel inhibitor, a lubrication improver, a biocide, a fuel lubricity additive, and a thermal stability improver. The presence of additives can contribute significantly to the overall hazards of a particular jet fuel product. Consult the manufacturer/supplier of your specific product for additional information." --------------------- So we've got 99%-ish of 9-to-16-carbon hydrocarbon "kerosene." According to page 4 of the following for samples collected at Miramar Naval Air Station in San Diego, CA: http://www.areco.org/pdf/ParticulateEmissi...Engines1996.pdf "Chemical analyses of jet engine exhaust samples indicate that the samples contain heavy metals." (Zinc, copper, and beryllium all at levels 100% above the control, with lead at 50% above, cobalt at 25% above, and vanadium at 28.6% above) ------------------------ I realize that some erosion of the metallic jet engine surfaces should occur at high heat and airflow, but I would expect mere traces from this with well-maintained and well-designed engines. See that HEPA link provided above: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13334 If one will allow me to paraphrase that thread though, barium and aluminum (and aluminum oxides) are the most-prevalent alarming pollutants observed in samples. Here's a little about barium and other metal vapors at my post # 8: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10742874 ------------------ Now if we look at some of the engines alleged to have been in the 9/11 planes, we see that HC, CO, and NOx are the only "emissions" monitored: RB211-535E4B http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/702/3RR034_01102004.pdf PW2037 http://www.qinetiq.com/docs/aed/1PW039-20020702.pdf ------------------- More on jet engine emissions: http://www.wired.com/cars/futuretransport/...6/ecoaviation23 ASME Subscription-only paper (that I don't currently have): http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/Ge...ps&gifs=yes Kinetics of Jet Fuel Combustion Over Extended Conditions: Experimental and Modeling J. Eng. Gas Turbines Power -- April 2007 -- Volume 129, Issue 2, 394 (10 pages) DOI:10.1115/1.2364196 "The oxidation of kerosene (Jet-A1) has been studied experimentally in a jet-stirred reactor at 1 to 40 atm and constant residence time, over the high temperature range 800–1300 K, and for variable equivalence ratio 0.5<phi<2. Concentration profiles of reactants, stable intermediates, and final products have been obtained by probe sampling followed by on-line and off-line GC analyses. The oxidation of kerosene in these conditions was modeled using a detailed kinetic reaction mechanism (209 species and 1673 reactions, most of them reversible). In the kinetic modeling, kerosene was represented by four surrogate model fuels: 100% n-decane, n-decane-n-propylbenzene (74%/26% mole), n-decane-n-propylcyclohexane (74%/26% mole), and n-decane-n-propylbenzene-n-propylcyclohexane (74%/15%/11% mole). The three-component model fuel was the most appropriate for simulating the JSR experiments. It was also successfully used to simulate the structure of a fuel-rich premixed kerosene-oxygen-nitrogen flame and ignition delays taken from the literature. " |
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Carl Bank Chemtrail Footage Leaves Much Less Doubt That They Are Real Oct 19 2008, 05:10 PM
lunk QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Oct 19 2008, 02:10 PM)... Oct 25 2008, 07:32 AM
Zapzarap QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Oct 19 2008, 10:10 PM)... Oct 25 2008, 10:11 PM
lunk QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Oct 25 2008, 07:11 PM) ... Oct 25 2008, 11:36 PM
Zapzarap QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 26 2008, 04:36 AM) Look... Oct 26 2008, 03:41 PM
Oceans Flow That video has been floating around the internet f... Oct 26 2008, 04:57 PM
keroseneaddict QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Oct 26 2008, 04:57 P... Oct 26 2008, 05:04 PM
Oceans Flow Why would 'airliners' fly at different alt... Oct 26 2008, 05:12 PM
keroseneaddict QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Oct 26 2008, 05:12 P... Oct 26 2008, 08:20 PM
Oceans Flow I took photos for four days last week. Here are Tu... Oct 26 2008, 05:44 PM
lunk Sorry Zap,
I'll make a point of linking bette... Oct 26 2008, 06:43 PM
lunk From 2004.
QUOTE Last December, a Canadian citize... Oct 26 2008, 08:39 PM
keroseneaddict QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 26 2008, 08:39 PM) From... Oct 26 2008, 08:53 PM
keroseneaddict Forgot this:
Last December, a Canadian citizen co... Oct 26 2008, 08:56 PM
Zapzarap Thx Keroseneaddict!
Good arguments and facts f... Oct 27 2008, 01:18 AM
lunk Maybe they move commercial airplanes out of planne... Oct 27 2008, 06:05 AM
Zapzarap QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 27 2008, 11:05 AM) Mayb... Oct 27 2008, 06:59 AM
Carl Bank Zap, please try to put my mind to rest and explain... Oct 27 2008, 07:10 AM
lunk Awesome video!
Is that just one day of traffi... Oct 27 2008, 07:12 AM
Zapzarap QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 27 2008, 12:12 PM) Awes... Oct 27 2008, 08:35 AM
keroseneaddict QUOTE (Zapzarap @ Oct 27 2008, 08:35 AM) ... Oct 27 2008, 04:39 PM
Lasthorseman Just my two cents worth on this subject.
For thr... Nov 22 2008, 03:11 PM
amazed! I could not read the Japanese subtitles, but pictu... Oct 27 2008, 10:39 AM
lunk There are existing patents for atmospheric dispers... Oct 27 2008, 12:42 PM
lunk I can really only go by observation about this top... Oct 27 2008, 07:19 PM
keroseneaddict QUOTE (lunk @ Oct 27 2008, 07:19 PM) I ca... Oct 27 2008, 08:03 PM
lunk It's the symmetry of the clouds.
Square clou... Oct 27 2008, 08:54 PM
dMole I've posted these several places here before (... Nov 8 2008, 08:58 PM
p.w.rapp QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 9 2008, 01:58 AM) I've... Nov 9 2008, 05:36 AM
dMole QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 8 2008, 05:58 PM) ----... Nov 10 2008, 10:36 AM
GroundPounder so if his equations are accurate (they didn't ... Nov 8 2008, 09:40 PM
dMole I'm not certain that Clifford's was intend... Nov 8 2008, 10:04 PM
lunk We only want to study nuclear explosions
to help... Nov 9 2008, 06:25 AM
dMole Well, I mostly have moved those threads p.w., exce... Nov 9 2008, 06:48 AM
lunk QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 9 2008, 02:48 AM) One ... Nov 9 2008, 07:25 AM
dMole To recap, we've got photographic evidence at p... Nov 9 2008, 07:31 AM
p.w.rapp QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 9 2008, 12:31 PM) To r... Nov 10 2008, 03:54 AM
bill "You have to believe me there: Pilots have se... Nov 9 2008, 08:09 AM
bill dMol
you have nailed it
the science has proved... Nov 9 2008, 08:56 AM
dMole QUOTE (bill @ Nov 9 2008, 05:56 AM) There... Nov 9 2008, 03:12 PM
lunk I'm planning on getting,
yet, another air fil... Nov 9 2008, 09:15 AM
amazed! Bill, what kind of aircraft did you observe dispen... Nov 9 2008, 12:27 PM
bill QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 9 2008, 10:27 AM... Nov 9 2008, 04:24 PM
Oceans Flow QUOTE (bill @ Nov 9 2008, 12:24 PM) I nev... Nov 9 2008, 09:30 PM
dMole QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Nov 9 2008, 06:30 PM... Nov 10 2008, 12:26 AM
dMole On the flight crew(s) (or not, esp. in the 24/7, t... Nov 9 2008, 01:07 PM
dMole Since the "fallout" has been mainly meta... Nov 9 2008, 04:30 PM
lunk The human eye only notices things that move.
Thes... Nov 10 2008, 01:27 AM
dMole Well Zap re-iterating, the full text of US Patent ... Nov 10 2008, 08:49 AM
lunk QUOTE Current jet fuel can include up to six addit... Nov 10 2008, 09:39 AM
lunk A little more on this population reduction idea be... Nov 10 2008, 10:08 AM
amazed! Well some interesting stuff here. Kay Simmons... Nov 10 2008, 10:55 AM
dMole "Condensation" of exhaust vapor?
http... Nov 10 2008, 11:34 AM
bill http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/govbas/c...chemu... Nov 10 2008, 11:52 AM
dMole QUOTE (bill @ Nov 10 2008, 08:52 AM) I ha... Nov 22 2008, 01:25 AM
bill I hereby make a offer of $1000 to go towards ... Nov 10 2008, 12:03 PM
lunk QUOTE (bill @ Nov 10 2008, 08:03 AM) I he... Nov 11 2008, 09:37 AM
bill QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 11 2008, 07:37 AM) I wo... Nov 11 2008, 12:11 PM
dMole Looking again at US patent 5,003,186:
http://patf... Nov 10 2008, 05:17 PM
dMole On the 40s, 50s, etc "contrail" thing,
... Nov 11 2008, 02:49 AM
amazed! dMole #55
That photo reminds me very much of some... Nov 11 2008, 09:39 AM
lunk Is it possible to do soil samples too? Nov 11 2008, 12:31 PM
bill soil samples are a big application for this techni... Nov 11 2008, 12:35 PM
lunk QUOTE Some light reading
Ha Ha Nov 11 2008, 01:32 PM
lunk It would be interesting to see if what is coming d... Nov 16 2008, 09:35 PM
amazed! Well the notion of "acid rain" has been ... Nov 16 2008, 10:23 PM
lunk QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 16 2008, 06:23 P... Nov 17 2008, 07:20 AM
beatles64 I have heard this before as well, several times I ... Nov 17 2008, 03:26 PM
lunk Ever notice that there are fewer planes flying on ... Nov 17 2008, 04:13 PM
Oceans Flow These are supposedly gravity waves, but this looks... Nov 17 2008, 04:23 PM
lunk QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Nov 17 2008, 12:23 P... Nov 17 2008, 08:24 PM
lunk Another example of what I'm talking about:
... Nov 17 2008, 08:44 PM
paranoia the following were all taken about 3 weeks ago in ... Nov 18 2008, 01:00 AM
paranoia there was much more activity in the sky and it con... Nov 18 2008, 01:02 AM
lunk Great pictures!
It was a beautiful day here, ... Nov 19 2008, 10:45 AM
amazed! Beatles
You are exactly right--the moisture conte... Nov 19 2008, 06:20 PM
dMole QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 19 2008, 03:20 P... Nov 22 2008, 02:47 AM
lunk How about checkerboard patterns in clouds?
Is thi... Nov 19 2008, 07:28 PM
beatles64 Lunk
I clicked on those picture, and received an ... Nov 19 2008, 08:26 PM
lunk That's strange. I can see them fine.
You m... Nov 19 2008, 09:51 PM
lunk Another thing I have recently noticed is the stran... Nov 20 2008, 09:01 AM
dMole QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 20 2008, 06:01 AM) Anot... Nov 20 2008, 09:13 AM
dMole Hey [alternately inhaling and exhaling "fresh... Nov 20 2008, 09:24 AM
beatles64 This is very Tesla-like in a way.....
I believe... Nov 20 2008, 12:27 PM
dMole QUOTE (beatles64 @ Nov 20 2008, 09:27 AM)... Nov 21 2008, 02:12 AM
lunk We have all been dumbed down equally.
Canadians ... Nov 20 2008, 12:51 PM
lunk Do you see what I see?
It's sort of like Fi... Nov 20 2008, 11:54 PM
dMole Lunk is likely already aware of the work of Dr. Ni... Nov 21 2008, 12:43 AM
lunk The ionosphere is being used like a transistor,
it... Nov 21 2008, 01:36 AM
amazed! Good Grief! I hope we won't be seeing pic... Nov 21 2008, 11:20 AM
lunk QUOTE (amazed! @ Nov 21 2008, 07:20 A... Nov 21 2008, 01:22 PM
dMole NASA on aerosols (guess which part is accurate):
... Nov 21 2008, 09:43 PM
dMole Move along, nothing to see here kids- NWS says it... Nov 22 2008, 03:00 AM
lunk Here is a classic,
Jet flying above haze.
...I won... Nov 22 2008, 05:36 AM
amazed! dMole
I quickly and happily defer to your technic... Nov 22 2008, 12:06 PM
lunk Chemtrail or Contrail...
What about these "cl... Nov 22 2008, 03:29 PM
Omega892R09 Did you happen to see this 'meteor' lunk:
... Nov 23 2008, 08:36 AM
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