Chemtrail Footage Leaves Much Less Doubt That They Are Real, merged, edited title Options

[Carl Bank]

This is from Japan. Exclusively for you, Zap.
After you whatched this short flick, there will be no
doubt anymore that chemtrails actually exist.

And, look for yourselve: They can be even really beautiful. Sigh



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8-2TAHXfU

[lunk]

This is from Japan. Exclusively for you, Zap.
After you watched this short flick, there will be no
doubt anymore that chemtrails actually exist.

And, look for yourself: They can be even really beautiful. Sigh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8-2TAHXfU

Haven't finished it, yet,
but chapter 4 and 5, are well referenced and
describe the reasons for these recent atmospheric phenomena.

Book that leaves no doubt about it:

Devilvision: The World's New Wireless Grid

http://luxefaire.com/devilvision/tableofcontents.html

So far, very interesting!

(edit) snipped Carls' post (and fixed spellings)
cheers, lunk

This post has been edited by lunk: Oct 25 2008, 07:39 AM

[p.w.rapp]

This is from Japan. Exclusively for you, Zap.
After you whatched this short flick, there will be no
doubt anymore that chemtrails actually exist.

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I watched the clip, saw some unusual clouds and YOU have no doubt that chemtrails actually exist.

Nothing new about this dead horse...

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[lunk]

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I watched the clip, saw some unusual clouds and YOU have no doubt that chemtrails actually exist.

Nothing new about this dead horse...

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Look out your window.

(IMG:http://www.owsweather.com/chemalert2.jpg)

Not sure how something that can be forecast, reliably, ahead of time,
can be said to not exist.

There are days when the sky is clear and there are virtually no planes,
but most of the time there is one flying over almost every 10 minutes,
especially on the forecast heavy spray days.
Just watch and pay attention.

Naturally occurring?
(IMG:http://weatherwars.info/images/holes/Trish1.JPG)
(IMG:http://weatherwars.info/images/holes/holecloud_knain.jpg)

Look deeply into these clouds...you are getting very sleepy...
(IMG:http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp49/HighSeaRocks/chemtrails/911amw15-10-08.jpg)

The lines in the sky, when I was young, were not anything like what is happening these days.
(IMG:http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp49/HighSeaRocks/chemtrails/955amn3-10-08.jpg)

And then there is all the official documentation,
spikes of rare poisonous metal salts turning up in surface water
after heavy spray days, and the atmospheric patents that involve these same chemicals like, Barium, Cadmium and so on.
And the hepa filter samples taken from aircraft that have flown through these jet trails and found the same high levels of the same poisons.

(IMG:http://d1027732.mydomainwebhost.com/charts/our%20charts/particulates_b.jpg)


We are being poisoned, the air we breath is being seriously messed with, intentionally,
with no regard for human health.

imo, lunk

(edit) I meant surface water

This post has been edited by lunk: Oct 26 2008, 12:01 AM

[p.w.rapp]

Look out your window.

(IMG:http://www.magair.at/forum/rapp/chemalert2.jpg)

Not sure how something that can be forecast, reliably, ahead of time,
can be said to not exist.

forecast, reliably (sic), ahead of time...

by a meteorologist who 'knows they exist'. (from a disclaimer on the website your [img] is linked to)

A meteorologist indeed, because the similarities with the current Euro-Sat picture are striking.

(IMG:http://www.magair.at/forum/rapp/sat.jpg)


I would have been impressed by a source, that bases their Chemtrail Alert-Charts on flight-plan data or at least on the information of a secret NATO mole...

I always promised to look into the chemtrail-conspiracy theory as soon as I am shown evidence other than subjective interpretations of pictures of contrails and uncommon cloud formations as well as non-pilots analysis of air-traffic patterns in combination with weird claims and false pretences.

Your post, lunk, is a good example:
No source, no links - (i.e. for "all the official documentation") - if I hadn't checked the link behind your [img] I wouldn't even have found out about 'the Meteorologist'...

If 9/11 research had been done the same negligent way, most of you would still believe in the official narrative.

[grizz]

That video has been floating around the internet for a few weeks. Personally, I see nothing that indicates that those are chemtrails. But I have some photos for you. I took these on Monday Oct 20 as I stepped out of my apartment on the way to work. I leave at 4:20 in the afternoon. That day I went back and got my camera, because the big chemtrail that was being laid had a shadow line on the trajectory preceding the abrupt start of the trail. By the time I got back the shadow line was gone.

The real airliner you see is on it's way south at that time every day.

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old005.jpg)

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old006.jpg)

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old010.jpg)

Meanwhile, in a matter of just a couple of minutes, the chemtrail got really fat.

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old016.jpg)

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old017.jpg)

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I check http://www.chemtrailalert.com every day, and it is always accurate. People in other parts of North America agree. The guy does have an inside informant, btw.

[keroseneaddict]

That video has been floating around the internet for a few weeks. Personally, I see nothing that indicates that those are chemtrails. But I have some photos for you. I took these on Monday Oct 20 as I stepped out of my apartment on the way to work. I leave at 4:20 in the afternoon. That day I went back and got my camera, because the big chemtrail that was being laid had a shadow line on the trajectory preceding the abrupt start of the trail. By the time I got back the shadow line was gone.

The real airliner you see is on it's way south at that time every day.

I check http://www.chemtrailalert.com every day, and it is always accurate. People in other parts of North America agree. The guy does have an inside informant, btw.

Good contrail photos.....contrails "spread out" and remain depending on atmospheric temperature. The different temps at different altitudes determine when, how and where contrails are made. I agree, tho, that the lead video (japanese) is pretty cool.....(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[grizz]

Why would 'airliners' fly at different altitudes? I'm in the middle of a 600 mile flight path. What few actual airliners fly over would all be at cruising altitude.

I enjoy photographing chemtrails, especially the more artistic ones. As I have time I'll share some of the better photos I've taken over the last few years.

[grizz]

I took photos for four days last week. Here are Tuesday through Thursday.


Tuesday Oct 21 ~ Chemtrails forecast.

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old022.jpg)

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old024.jpg)

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old030.jpg)

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Wednesday Oct 22 ~ No Chemtrails forecast.

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old037.jpg)

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Thursday Oct 23 ~ Chemtrails forecast.

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old047.jpg)

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old050.jpg)

(IMG:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p9/chainlighting/chemtrails/old051.jpg)

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[lunk]

Sorry Zap,
I'll make a point of linking better.

The original posted video was scalar waves,
extra low frequency radio waves,
not necessarily chemical trails left by jets,
but these regular shaped clouds are side effects of
powerful electric transmitters,
emitting low frequency radio waves into the atmosphere.

Sometimes they are circular,
sometimes they are in long swaths.

(IMG:http://weatherwars.info/images/lowclouds/05.jpg)

Nice grid imprinted right over the city! Looking SW over Pocatello the day after Thanksgiving 2003.

(IMG:http://weatherwars.info/images/lowclouds/DSCN1021z.jpg)

Just a little later in the day versus the previous image. A nice set of intersecting waves rolling across the city. This is not a possibility without the hand of man at work here.

From Scott Stevens:

http://weatherwars.info

Music video showing man made scalar waves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbVdkql-d9w

imo, lunk

[keroseneaddict]

Why would 'airliners' fly at different altitudes? I'm in the middle of a 600 mile flight path. What few actual airliners fly over would all be at cruising altitude.

I enjoy photographing chemtrails, especially the more artistic ones. As I have time I'll share some of the better photos I've taken over the last few years.

Those cruise altitudes will change based on filed altitude, clearance altitude, altitude changes enroute, etc. Filed routes will change ( JFK-SFO) based upon what the airline dispatcher sees as the optimum altitude based upon weather, winds, traffic. Actual changes upon ATC direction, refiles, weather or turbulence.

To complicate it even further, there are ground based navigational aids that certain traffic is "usually" over, but these days, most are equipped to go "point to point" ( GPS or inertial or both). Sometimes ATC allows it, sometimes they don't.

Also, contrails are formed by any high temp/high humidity engine exhaust at the right altitude. It can be airline, corporate, or military...or <entry deleted>...(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hope this helps!!

[lunk]

From 2004.

Last December, a Canadian citizen complaining to his local air authority about sky-muck over Victoria, British Columbia, was told by that authority that the chemtrail formations were the result of a joint U.S. and Canadian military exercise. His explanation was caught on audio tape and played for radio listeners all over the Western Hemisphere. Also recently, an FAA official confirmed in a taped interview with freelance radio reporter S. T. Brendt that he was told on four occasions in March to re-route commercial air traffic to accommodate a huge military aerial operation over the northeastern seaboard.

It is no secret that America's military-industrial megalith is secretly altering earth's atmosphere in frightening ways. Huge numbers of aircraft are now kept aloft to create "clouds" with ultra-tiny, ionized metallic particles. HAARP-generated microwave pulses are continually used to heat and agitate the ionosphere.

Synthetically-manufactured chem-clouds desiccate the air and very effectively block the sun. The principles of this grotesque aerosol project are spelled out in a number of U.S patents. In 1974, persons associated with National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) obtained patent US3813875 for using barium to create ion clouds in the upper atmosphere. In 1991, Hughes Aircraft Company obtained patent US5003186, a method for seeding the greenhouse gas layer with tiny particles which include "oxides of metal , e.g., aluminum oxide." The patent states that one proposed solution to global warming was "to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude....."

http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v35/...0035-000136.htm

thinking of getting a gas mask

imo, lunk

[keroseneaddict]

From 2004.



http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v35/...0035-000136.htm

thinking of getting a gas mask

imo, lunk

Lunk,

Respect your post and did not expect any sites from the USG (been there too long), but I looked at the info and don't see much evidence. Not that I do not think the <deleted> is not capable of this, but if it is aluminum particles, they would be melted. As those melted particles entered the very cold atmosphere, they would solidify and fall to earth. Could you inhale or absorbe it, no, it would be quite solid....IMO, metals are out of the possibility.....

Now, aerosal Viagra?? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

[keroseneaddict]

Forgot this:

Last December, a Canadian citizen complaining to his local air authority about sky-muck over Victoria, British Columbia, was told by that authority that the chemtrail formations were the result of a joint U.S. and Canadian military exercise. His explanation was caught on audio tape and played for radio listeners all over the Western Hemisphere. Also recently, an FAA official confirmed in a taped interview with freelance radio reporter S. T. Brendt that he was told on four occasions in March to re-route commercial air traffic to accommodate a huge military aerial operation over the northeastern seaboard.

That rerouting happens ALL OF THE TIME, usually in MOA's (Military Operating Areas), but the military ability to change routing is not uncommon.

[p.w.rapp]

Thx Keroseneaddict!
Good arguments and facts from a pilot's POV.

It's 0615 a.m. here and I have to get some work done -

[lunk]

Maybe they move commercial airplanes out of planned spray areas...

The Stratotankers were working alone in "commanded airspace" from which all other aircraft were excluded. And they were leaving chemtrails.


TELLTALE SIGNATURES

"The signature is significant" commented one radar operator, referring to trails clearly visible on his scope extending for miles behind the KC-135s. In contrast, a commercial JAL flight on the same display left no visible trail.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/soilradar.html

If there is a secret spray program,
it would be disinformationalized with scads of false information.

There are real patents that talk about putting metal salts and particles in the upper atmosphere to better control the ionosphere:

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5003186

4. The method of claim 1 wherein said material comprises thorium oxide.

(edit) got to get my elements right

There is no antidote that I am aware of.
Somehow it makes sense to spray it into the atmosphere,
to prevent global warming?!


Thorium:

lungs and other internal organs can be penetrated by alpha radiation. Exposure to aerosolized thorium can lead to increased risk of cancers of the lung, pancreas and blood. Exposure to thorium internally leads to increased risk of liver diseases. This element has no known biological role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium#Precautions

Not saying it is,
but, just this patented notion, is wrong.

imo, lunk

This post has been edited by lunk: Oct 27 2008, 06:19 AM

[p.w.rapp]

Maybe they move commercial airplanes out of planned spray areas...

out of the planned spray areas???

you mean out of THIS AREA

[img]http://www.magair.at/forum/rapp/chemalert2.jpg[/img]


Do you have an idea, how congested the European Airspace is.

An ANTHILL!!!


proceed to 0:30 in the video

The idea of large scale military operations without a brakedown of civil air trafic let alone without thousands of crew and ATC knowing is preposterous.

[Carl Bank]

Zap, please try to put my mind to rest and explain to the layman how these
parallel cloud strings from my flick above can appear without being produced/designed by humans.

I'll try to wrap my mind around it, but the simple explaination of "unusual cloud formations" is way to
sloppy formulated to work as an explainmation for me.

Thanks in advance!

Carl

[lunk]

Awesome video!
Is that just one day of traffic?

[p.w.rapp]

Awesome video!
Is that just one day of traffic?

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@Carl

Pilots are generally reluctant to offer theory (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
All I can say (and BTW every other pilot or aviation professional) is that the Chemtrail Conspiracy Theory is full of impossibilities, illogicalness and patently false in many respects from an aviation POV.

But when it comes to put a good friend's mind to rest I'll try an explanation for the strange clouds in your vid:

1. I have no doubt that those parallel 'cloud-strings' could have been caused by airliners flying on the same flightlevel and on parallel tracks on the same airway (not at the same time, with the usual separation of course).

2. I can't easily explain the reason for the 'strings' beginning and ending in almost the same area to somebody not familiar with meteorological phenomenons like non laminar flow of air layers (like in a Mountain Wave) and conditions like temperature and dew-point changing with altitude and pressure, causing thick, persistent contrails or thin, short, quickly disapearing contrails.
You have to believe me there: Pilots have seen all variations of contrails emerging from KNOWN, civil air-traffic. The "alarming" photos spread by websites of chemtrail apologists show nothing, that hasn't always been the case in aviation since the use of jet engines.

The only thing is, that air-trafic has multiplied to a dramatic level - and there is no doubt in my mind, that polution of our higher atmosphere is getting a severe problem.

Result - on clear days with blue skies: lots of contrails!!! for speculations and 'chemtrail'-photos + vids. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



moving to debate
Not sure if this is still a research topic - sorry for my lack of time to carefully chose my words.