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The Physical Damage To The Cab, let's look at it in context

Craig Ranke CIT
post Oct 31 2008, 01:30 AM
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People who try to make excuses and suggest that the physical damage to Lloyde England's cab could have been accomplished in real time with a light pole or piece of a light pole are not looking at the information in context.

Examining images of the cab either immediately after the event or preserved under a tarp on Lloyde's 30 acres of woods for almost 7 years changes the frame of reference so this article will bring it back into context.

Before I elaborate I feel it's important to always remember of course that it has been independently proven many times over that the plane was nowhere near the poles to begin with.
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/citgogif.gif)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/ancgif.gif)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/witness%20flight%20paths/allpaths.jpg)


But for those who for whatever illogical reasons are unable to accept the scientifically validated north side evidence, let's hypothetically place the plane on the south side and examine the physical evidence of the light pole and cab.

But I have to issue one more disclaimer. I need to stress how the following scenario is extremely hypothetical since we also now have mathematical proof that the final descent required due to the topography and obstacles physically proves the plane could not have hit the light poles as reported. This is due to the fact that the required G forces at the reported speed of 535mph have been proven impossible. The plane would have broken up over the highway.

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/cgi%20povs/VDOT_Pent_Alt_a.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/cgi%20povs/VDOT_Pent_Alt_ab.jpg)
All relevant calculations available in this 13 minute presentation from Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

Moving along....

If it was hypothetically possible for the plane to hit light pole 1 as reported we must consider the incredible amount of kinetic energy the light pole would absorb from the approach of this 90 ton Boeing:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/approachgif.gif)

But let's not forget the dynamics involved with the cab coming to an immediate skidded sideways stop traveling around 40 mph:
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/sliding.gif)
(imagine the pole is in the windshield as Lloyde clearly claims and the interior damage to his cab requires)


But wait!

I'll admit I don't have the exact formulas to calculate this but here is what I would suggest from a layman's perspective: the fact that the 40 mph car and the 535 mph passenger jet would be coming TOWARDS each other would multiply the kinetic force of the pole on the car significantly.
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/driving.gif)

Correct?

Anyone disagree with this?

Now let's take a closer look at the physical damage to the cab.

It's been completely established how there is no damage to the hood and how it in fact looks freshly waxed!

(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Lloyd/DSC_0421.jpg)
(IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Lloyd/lloydshood.jpg)
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post Nov 4 2008, 12:51 AM
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It's likely that cab never had a light pole ever in it.

I still wonder if the cab could be started up after the picture was taken.
I know Lloyd said it wouldn't start.
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QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 3 2008, 09:51 PM) *
I still wonder if the cab could be started up after the picture was taken.
I know Lloyd said it wouldn't start.

Although electrical problems look to be quite common in the Lincoln, lunk:

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f117824/48

We find this at the following:

http://www.lincolnsonline.com/tech/00061.html
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http://www.lincolnsonline.com/tech/00061_1.jpg

The picture above shows the power distribution box of a '92 Town Car with the compressor relay removed and placed to one side, fuse "U" and the compressor relay pins labeled.

TESTING THE MODULE POWER FEEDS AND ON/OFF SWITCH>

Switch the air suspension off and disconnect the control module connector.

Switch testing

'90 - '94 Town Cars
Connect a voltmeter or test light to the Dark Green/Yellow wire and ground. You should get twelve volts when the air suspension switch in turned on, if not check fuse 1 or service switch/wiring to fuse 1.

'95 Town Cars
Connect a voltmeter or test light to the Dark Green/Yellow wire and ground. You should get twelve volts when the air suspension switch is turned on, if not check fuse U or service switch/wiring to fuse U. NOTE: There are two terminals with Dark Green/Yellow wires, both should test the same.

'96 - '97 Town Cars
Connect a continuity meter (ohms) between the Dark Green/Yellow wire and the Purple/Light Green wire; you should have 0 ohms with the switch closed and infinity with the switch open.

Other power feeds

'90 - '91 Town Cars
Check the Light Blue/Pink wire for battery voltage when the ignition is switched on, if no voltage check fuse 4 and wiring.

'92 - '94 Town Cars
Check the Red/Yellow wire for battery voltage when the ignition is switched on, if no voltage check fuse 8 and wiring.

'95 Town Car
Check the Light Blue/Pink wire for battery voltage when the ignition is switched on, if no voltage check fuse 7 and wiring.

'96 - '97 Town Cars
There are three Light Blue/Pink wires. The ones on pin 1 and 15 will have battery voltage all the time, if no voltage check fuse U and wiring. The one on pin 16 will have battery voltage when the ignition is switched on, if no voltage check fuse 7 and wiring.
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Ignition fuses, eh?

EDIT: Yowza, even the Lincoln mechanics are paranoid: "[browser] has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete." Hotlink removed
Reason for edit: Lincoln mechanics against 9/11 truth, I guess...
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- Craig Ranke CIT   The Physical Damage To The Cab   Oct 31 2008, 01:30 AM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   But we should not overlook the fact that the winds...   Oct 31 2008, 01:31 AM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   So could Lloyde be innocently embellishing his sto...   Oct 31 2008, 01:31 AM
- - JFK   Well, a partial skid mark can be seen in this blow...   Nov 1 2008, 12:51 PM
|- - SPreston   QUOTE (JFK @ Nov 1 2008, 12:51 PM) Well, ...   Nov 1 2008, 01:13 PM
|- - SPreston   QUOTE (JFK @ Nov 1 2008, 12:51 PM) Which ...   Nov 3 2008, 03:31 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (SPreston @ Nov 3 2008, 12:31 AM) T...   Nov 3 2008, 04:22 AM
- - JFK   Assuming Lloyde is telling the truth, That mark ...   Nov 1 2008, 01:34 PM
- - lunk   Learning to drive a car, I remember being told to ...   Nov 1 2008, 10:35 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 1 2008, 08:35 PM) Learn...   Nov 1 2008, 11:45 PM
- - lunk   If we assume that Lloyd is being less than complet...   Nov 2 2008, 08:15 AM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 2 2008, 01:15 PM) Was t...   Nov 2 2008, 05:37 PM
|- - lunk   QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 2 2008, 01:3...   Nov 2 2008, 08:54 PM
- - GroundPounder   a little camera footage could answer a lot of ques...   Nov 2 2008, 02:50 PM
- - dMole   I'll speculate that TF "hears them engine...   Nov 3 2008, 03:22 AM
- - GroundPounder   imho, we have an apples and oranges thing going he...   Nov 3 2008, 07:04 AM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 3 2008, 12:04 ...   Nov 3 2008, 10:08 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 3 2008, 07:0...   Nov 3 2008, 05:05 PM
- - dMole   IMHO these light poles smell as fishy as our Elect...   Nov 3 2008, 02:29 PM
- - GroundPounder   so, no piece of the light pole ended up remaining ...   Nov 3 2008, 05:45 PM
- - lunk   It's likely that cab never had a light pole ev...   Nov 4 2008, 12:51 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 3 2008, 09:51 PM) I sti...   Nov 4 2008, 06:56 PM
- - GroundPounder   the point i was trying to make (in an obtuse fashi...   Nov 4 2008, 09:54 AM
|- - Aldo Marquis CIT   QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 4 2008, 01:54 ...   Nov 4 2008, 12:15 PM
- - GroundPounder   oh i'm totally onboard w/ the north side appro...   Nov 4 2008, 12:48 PM
|- - Aldo Marquis CIT   QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 4 2008, 05:48 ...   Nov 4 2008, 01:45 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 2 2008, 03...   Nov 4 2008, 02:31 PM
- - dMole   And like the thousands of tons of WTC steel that w...   Nov 4 2008, 02:50 PM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   @ Omega: You are right. It looks like those were c...   Nov 4 2008, 03:48 PM
- - dMole   Aluminum can do strange things in the light, depen...   Nov 4 2008, 04:54 PM
- - lunk   Are there any aerial or satellite pictures of the ...   Nov 4 2008, 08:06 PM
- - Omega892R09   Thanks to ULTIMA1 and his #8 post in: http://pilo...   Nov 5 2008, 02:03 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Nov 5 2008, 11:03 AM...   Nov 5 2008, 05:04 PM
|- - Omega892R09   QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 3 2008, 08:04 PM) FINA...   Nov 7 2008, 08:38 AM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Nov 7 2008, 05:38 AM...   Nov 8 2008, 03:14 AM
- - Janusaur   Ok, I'd like to do some calculations relevant ...   Nov 6 2008, 07:05 PM
- - dMole   So my 0.050" alumin(i)um sprinkler pipe wasn...   Nov 7 2008, 01:08 PM
- - lunk   If a light pole was hit, by whatever, near the top...   Nov 7 2008, 04:38 PM
- - dMole   Off topic, but here's a BEEFY pair of wings. ...   Nov 8 2008, 04:54 AM
- - kawika   Seems like Lloyd would have been killed just from ...   Nov 22 2008, 03:59 PM
|- - JackD   QUOTE (kawika @ Nov 20 2008, 05:59 PM) Se...   Jan 5 2009, 09:17 PM
|- - madtruth   QUOTE (JackD @ Jan 5 2009, 08:17 PM) Seem...   Jan 5 2009, 11:24 PM
|- - madtruth   QUOTE (madtruth @ Jan 5 2009, 10:24 PM) R...   Jan 11 2009, 12:06 PM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   Seems like we have absolute proof that the plane d...   Nov 22 2008, 04:12 PM
- - WetBlanket   What could possibly have broken the passenger side...   Dec 28 2008, 11:14 PM
|- - JackD   QUOTE (WetBlanket @ Dec 27 2008, 02:14 AM...   Jan 13 2009, 06:40 PM
- - paranoia   hey madtruth, welcome to the forum and to the purs...   Jan 12 2009, 12:42 AM
|- - madtruth   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 11 2009, 11:42 PM) ...   Jan 12 2009, 12:18 PM
- - paranoia   You’re welcome madtruth, but I hope that you saw s...   Jan 12 2009, 08:35 PM
- - madtruth   Those are great points. And also, the perps would ...   Jan 13 2009, 03:54 PM


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