The Physical Damage To The Cab, let's look at it in context Options

[Craig Ranke CIT]

People who try to make excuses and suggest that the physical damage to Lloyde England's cab could have been accomplished in real time with a light pole or piece of a light pole are not looking at the information in context.

Examining images of the cab either immediately after the event or preserved under a tarp on Lloyde's 30 acres of woods for almost 7 years changes the frame of reference so this article will bring it back into context.

Before I elaborate I feel it's important to always remember of course that it has been independently proven many times over that the plane was nowhere near the poles to begin with.
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But for those who for whatever illogical reasons are unable to accept the scientifically validated north side evidence, let's hypothetically place the plane on the south side and examine the physical evidence of the light pole and cab.

But I have to issue one more disclaimer. I need to stress how the following scenario is extremely hypothetical since we also now have mathematical proof that the final descent required due to the topography and obstacles physically proves the plane could not have hit the light poles as reported. This is due to the fact that the required G forces at the reported speed of 535mph have been proven impossible. The plane would have broken up over the highway.

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All relevant calculations available in this 13 minute presentation from Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

Moving along....

If it was hypothetically possible for the plane to hit light pole 1 as reported we must consider the incredible amount of kinetic energy the light pole would absorb from the approach of this 90 ton Boeing:
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But let's not forget the dynamics involved with the cab coming to an immediate skidded sideways stop traveling around 40 mph:
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(imagine the pole is in the windshield as Lloyde clearly claims and the interior damage to his cab requires)


But wait!

I'll admit I don't have the exact formulas to calculate this but here is what I would suggest from a layman's perspective: the fact that the 40 mph car and the 535 mph passenger jet would be coming TOWARDS each other would multiply the kinetic force of the pole on the car significantly.
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Correct?

Anyone disagree with this?

Now let's take a closer look at the physical damage to the cab.

It's been completely established how there is no damage to the hood and how it in fact looks freshly waxed!

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[GroundPounder]

imho, we have an apples and oranges thing going here

if the aircraft didn't hit the light pole, then the 'mechanics' of the fall might boil down to a simple rotation (pivot) about the base.
of course that would depend somewhat on how the pole connections to the base were severed.

the mechanics of a plane hit, would most definitely involve some momentum transfer from the plane to the pole and would be delivered as an impulse. then or course, there is the strength of the bolts, how high up the pole was hit, is there deformation etc.


i'm guessing the pole was carted off and 'recycled' w/o ever having been analyzed for aluminum residue, paint and what not?

[Craig Ranke CIT]

i'm guessing the pole was carted off and 'recycled' w/o ever having been analyzed for aluminum residue, paint and what not?

Quite correct.

This was confirmed with the VDOT direct.

However we also know that they were left laying around for a few weeks after the event for photo ops.
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