The Physical Damage To The Cab, let's look at it in context |

Oct 31 2008, 01:30 AM
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People who try to make excuses and suggest that the physical damage to Lloyde England's cab could have been accomplished in real time with a light pole or piece of a light pole are not looking at the information in context.
Examining images of the cab either immediately after the event or preserved under a tarp on Lloyde's 30 acres of woods for almost 7 years changes the frame of reference so this article will bring it back into context. Before I elaborate I feel it's important to always remember of course that it has been independently proven many times over that the plane was nowhere near the poles to begin with. (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/citgogif.gif) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/ancgif.gif) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/witness%20flight%20paths/allpaths.jpg) But for those who for whatever illogical reasons are unable to accept the scientifically validated north side evidence, let's hypothetically place the plane on the south side and examine the physical evidence of the light pole and cab. But I have to issue one more disclaimer. I need to stress how the following scenario is extremely hypothetical since we also now have mathematical proof that the final descent required due to the topography and obstacles physically proves the plane could not have hit the light poles as reported. This is due to the fact that the required G forces at the reported speed of 535mph have been proven impossible. The plane would have broken up over the highway. (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/cgi%20povs/VDOT_Pent_Alt_a.jpg) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/cgi%20povs/VDOT_Pent_Alt_ab.jpg) All relevant calculations available in this 13 minute presentation from Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Moving along.... If it was hypothetically possible for the plane to hit light pole 1 as reported we must consider the incredible amount of kinetic energy the light pole would absorb from the approach of this 90 ton Boeing: (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/approachgif.gif) But let's not forget the dynamics involved with the cab coming to an immediate skidded sideways stop traveling around 40 mph: (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/sliding.gif) (imagine the pole is in the windshield as Lloyde clearly claims and the interior damage to his cab requires) But wait! I'll admit I don't have the exact formulas to calculate this but here is what I would suggest from a layman's perspective: the fact that the 40 mph car and the 535 mph passenger jet would be coming TOWARDS each other would multiply the kinetic force of the pole on the car significantly. (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/driving.gif) Correct? Anyone disagree with this? Now let's take a closer look at the physical damage to the cab. It's been completely established how there is no damage to the hood and how it in fact looks freshly waxed! (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Lloyd/DSC_0421.jpg) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Lloyd/lloydshood.jpg) |
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Nov 4 2008, 12:48 PM
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Group: Extreme Forum Pilot Posts: 1,687 Joined: 13-December 06 From: maryland Member No.: 315 |
oh i'm totally onboard w/ the north side approach. the pentacon site was an eye opener. the photographs do show light poles down and the cab has a hole in it's windshield. somehow, those things were accomplished.
w/o the plane hitting the poles, some other means were obviously employed. even if an explosive charge dislodged a pole from it's base and managed to fall down and hit the cab, some piece of that pole would have been stuck inside the cab...or the cab would have dragged the pole down the road with it. |
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Nov 4 2008, 01:45 PM
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Citizen Investigator Group: Contributor Posts: 1,168 Joined: 16-August 06 Member No.: 10 |
oh i'm totally onboard w/ the north side approach. the pentacon site was an eye opener. the photographs do show light poles down and the cab has a hole in it's windshield. somehow, those things were accomplished. w/o the plane hitting the poles, some other means were obviously employed. even if an explosive charge dislodged a pole from it's base and managed to fall down and hit the cab, some piece of that pole would have been stuck inside the cab...or the cab would have dragged the pole down the road with it. Groundpounder, We have covered all of this before. The cab and light poles were staged. That is why his hood was pristine. They more than likely drove the cab up there with the interior damaged and the windshield intact. When the plane went by they/he damaged the windshield. The light poles were staged. Again, we cover this in the very feature this thread is about. Four of the five were in inconspicuous areas on the lawn/grass hidden by bushes, guardrail, and the human mind that is preoccupied with driving down the highway. Pole 1 (Lloyd's highway pole) was more than likely on the side on the shoulder there. It is the only one that needs to be staged live real time and we have pictures that show what would appear it and the cab being staged or at least the men that more than likely staged the scene. The perps more than likely accomplished the pre-staging on 9/10 in the wee hours of the night. The poles were removed months in advance I am sure and on 9/10 Bush left from that heliport where the plane allegedly hit and was sheduled back on 9/11 at noon, at the same heliport. This allowed them the excuse to put men, "SS" or "Security detail", on the lawn and highway area with vans or trucks. This would allow them to plant the broken pieces. Bush's arrival at noon would make a good excuse to not allow anyone onto the lawn or sidewalk in front of the heliport. Explosives cannot bend, twist, and pinch the "broken" light pole ends. They cannot cut near perfect symmetrical 'breaks' in the bases. (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/light%20poles/203a.jpg) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/light%20poles/P9290029.jpg) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/light%20poles/polepinched4.jpg) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/light%20poles/pole5.jpg) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/light%20poles/polepinched22.jpg) (IMG:http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/light%20poles/polepinched33.jpg) |
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Craig Ranke CIT The Physical Damage To The Cab Oct 31 2008, 01:30 AM
Craig Ranke CIT But we should not overlook the fact that the winds... Oct 31 2008, 01:31 AM
Craig Ranke CIT So could Lloyde be innocently embellishing his sto... Oct 31 2008, 01:31 AM
JFK Well, a partial skid mark can be seen in this blow... Nov 1 2008, 12:51 PM
SPreston QUOTE (JFK @ Nov 1 2008, 12:51 PM) Well, ... Nov 1 2008, 01:13 PM
SPreston QUOTE (JFK @ Nov 1 2008, 12:51 PM) Which ... Nov 3 2008, 03:31 AM
dMole QUOTE (SPreston @ Nov 3 2008, 12:31 AM) T... Nov 3 2008, 04:22 AM
JFK Assuming Lloyde is telling the truth,
That mark ... Nov 1 2008, 01:34 PM
lunk Learning to drive a car, I remember being told to ... Nov 1 2008, 10:35 PM
dMole QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 1 2008, 08:35 PM) Learn... Nov 1 2008, 11:45 PM
lunk If we assume that Lloyd is being less than complet... Nov 2 2008, 08:15 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 2 2008, 01:15 PM) Was t... Nov 2 2008, 05:37 PM
lunk QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 2 2008, 01:3... Nov 2 2008, 08:54 PM
GroundPounder a little camera footage could answer a lot of ques... Nov 2 2008, 02:50 PM
dMole I'll speculate that TF "hears them engine... Nov 3 2008, 03:22 AM
GroundPounder imho, we have an apples and oranges thing going he... Nov 3 2008, 07:04 AM
Craig Ranke CIT QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 3 2008, 12:04 ... Nov 3 2008, 10:08 AM
dMole QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 3 2008, 07:0... Nov 3 2008, 05:05 PM
dMole IMHO these light poles smell as fishy as our Elect... Nov 3 2008, 02:29 PM
GroundPounder so, no piece of the light pole ended up remaining ... Nov 3 2008, 05:45 PM
lunk It's likely that cab never had a light pole ev... Nov 4 2008, 12:51 AM
dMole QUOTE (lunk @ Nov 3 2008, 09:51 PM) I sti... Nov 4 2008, 06:56 PM
GroundPounder the point i was trying to make (in an obtuse fashi... Nov 4 2008, 09:54 AM
Aldo Marquis CIT QUOTE (GroundPounder @ Nov 4 2008, 01:54 ... Nov 4 2008, 12:15 PM
Omega892R09 QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Nov 2 2008, 03... Nov 4 2008, 02:31 PM
dMole And like the thousands of tons of WTC steel that w... Nov 4 2008, 02:50 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT @ Omega: You are right. It looks like those were c... Nov 4 2008, 03:48 PM
dMole Aluminum can do strange things in the light, depen... Nov 4 2008, 04:54 PM
lunk Are there any aerial or satellite pictures of the ... Nov 4 2008, 08:06 PM
Omega892R09 Thanks to ULTIMA1 and his #8 post in:
http://pilo... Nov 5 2008, 02:03 PM
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Janusaur Ok, I'd like to do some calculations relevant ... Nov 6 2008, 07:05 PM
dMole So my 0.050" alumin(i)um sprinkler pipe wasn... Nov 7 2008, 01:08 PM
lunk If a light pole was hit, by whatever, near the top... Nov 7 2008, 04:38 PM
dMole Off topic, but here's a BEEFY pair of wings. ... Nov 8 2008, 04:54 AM
kawika Seems like Lloyd would have been killed just from ... Nov 22 2008, 03:59 PM
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madtruth QUOTE (JackD @ Jan 5 2009, 08:17 PM) Seem... Jan 5 2009, 11:24 PM
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Craig Ranke CIT Seems like we have absolute proof that the plane d... Nov 22 2008, 04:12 PM
WetBlanket What could possibly have broken the passenger side... Dec 28 2008, 11:14 PM
JackD QUOTE (WetBlanket @ Dec 27 2008, 02:14 AM... Jan 13 2009, 06:40 PM
paranoia hey madtruth, welcome to the forum and to the purs... Jan 12 2009, 12:42 AM
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madtruth Those are great points. And also, the perps would ... Jan 13 2009, 03:54 PM
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