Ace Baker - Video Composite Theory Set, merged threads Options

[acebaker]

I really dont have the time to go over this, and i rarely entertain such theories when hard data is available for other issues/conflicts with the govt story... but i did want to throw in my 2 cents... for now..


Ace,

Until you have a list like this ...

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=82

eg. Breaking down all witnesses who claim to have seen the WTC hit...

...and...

.... witnesses filmed on location like this....

http://thepentacon.com

.... your theories are missing a very important piece of evidence (or rebuttal to evidence) as required in a court of law and no one will entertain your theories more than has been offered. As you have experienced, your theories are waning support, not growing in support. It appears P4T forums are your last chance to gain any type of support since we honor free speech more than any theory and everyone else has either banned you or your theories.

My thesis is that video compositing is proven. It really says nothing about the eyewitnesses, one way or the other. The video record IS hard evidence, it is the hardest we have. I do have plenty to say about the eyewitnesses, surely that belongs on another thread, but I won't dare start a thread. Maybe you will.

Suppose someone claimed bigfoot was real, and had a bigfoot sighting on multiple videos, and had multiple witnesses who said they saw a real bigfoot. Suppose they screwed up, and accidentally showed the guy taking off his gorilla costume. Suppose I collected 22 different data points, all strongly favoring the notion that it was a guy in a gorilla suit. You really going to tell me I need to sort through the wacky witnesses in order to make my case?

Besides, FYI, I have presented an open invitation to interview WTC plane witnesses. I've called out far and wide. My only stipulation is that they must present a real name and a real face. Thus far exactly zero have come forward, which is weird to me. But the opportunity is still open, for the next month or so.

P4T is not my "last chance" at anything. LOL. My last chance at "getting support" is the distribution of my DVD, "9/11 - the Great American Psy-Opera". It's fair that I should tell you that the personalities in the "truth" movement are the final subject of the film, after recapping 9/11, reviewing the best evidence for demolition, and proving video fakery and no planes. I have done a good number of original interviews. Rob, you are cordially invited.

My getting banned everywhere for no reason is great evidence. It's a lot like government behavior, don't you think?

[Quest]

Thanks Ace...

So we both agree videos can be faked based on experience...

And now what of the witness lists? Contacted any? Interviewed any with conflicting statements? Broken down every single one who claims an impact? Talked to any who claims to have seen the plane(s) along the path?

Let me know if you need a few... i know a few pilots who watched it happen from JFK and EWR. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Is it safe to assume now that you agree the videos were indeed faked? Understand I am not climing no planes hit (yet) but what is your stand on the videos themselves?

[acebaker]

Thanks Ace...

So we both agree videos can be faked based on experience...

And now what of the witness lists? Contacted any? Interviewed any with conflicting statements? Broken down every single one who claims an impact? Talked to any who claims to have seen the plane(s) along the path?

Let me know if you need a few... i know a few pilots who watched it happen from JFK and EWR. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yes, I will absolutely follow through and interview your pilot plane witnesses. Please send contact (real names only) info to

acebaker1234 [at] yahoo [dot] com

Thanks.

[acebaker]

Thanks Ace...

So we both agree videos can be faked based on experience...

No, I don't agree, that's too vague. Some things can be faked on video in real time, some things can only be faked with editing time, some things are very, very difficult to fake even with editing time, and some things are impossible to fake realistically.

An understanding of the capabilities AND the limitations of compositing is crucial to solving 9/11.

[rob balsamo]

Is it safe to assume now that you agree the videos were indeed faked? Understand I am not climing no planes hit (yet) but what is your stand on the videos themselves?

The only way to know that is to have faked the videos myself or interviewed those who were in charge of the broadcast to get a feeling of their demeanor.. (sort of like how we contacted the FBI and NTSB perhaps?)

Videos are easy to fake.. yes... ask any kid on Youtube who plays with Sony Vegas or Premier or FCP. This doesnt mean the broadcast was faked. Especially since there are so many witnesses, who arent 'wacky' as Ace tried to claim through his absurd attempt at a parallel and poor excuse for not interviewing such witnesses.

Ace.. .how many NYers report Bigfoot?

Your "wacky" excuse is weak and poor.

[rob balsamo]

Yes, I will absolutely follow through and interview your pilot plane witnesses. Please send contact (real names only) info to

acebaker1234 [at] yahoo [dot] com

Thanks.

http://ipilots.org/?s=1&offset=280&type=1

Contact Shye Gilad. (im listed there too...)

He was in position and hold on EWR runway 22 when he saw the alleged UA175 pass overhead and slam into the south tower... his First Officer was a female.. i forget who. .but she saw it too and cried.. .almost aborted the take off due to her hysterics...

We'll start there.. .then if you need more... i'll track down the guys from JFK. But im sure Shye can track down alot more.. .good luck!

edit to add: For those BTS experts out there.. look for a NxxxFJ tail number that departed EWR right around the time of the south tower impact.. .thats his flight)

[acebaker]

The only way to know that is to have faked the videos myself or interviewed those who were in charge of the broadcast to get a feeling of their demeanor.. (sort of like how we contacted the FBI and NTSB perhaps?)

Kind of like how Jeff Hill spoke with Kai Simonsen, who told a provable lie about a 2X lens extender. My gut feeling about his demanor is that he is a liar. He's also an expert in video compositing, BTW.

Or how Hill Spoke with Hezarkhani, who will not discuss the most famous amateur video in history, on advice of his lawyer. My feeling of his demeanor is that he is evasive.

Kind of like how Evan Fairbanks said the "image of that airplane" "disappeared like a bad special effect". My gut tells me Fairbanks was giving a very calculated statement, very cleverly worded.

Kind of like how WNYW will not release broadcast quality Chopper 5 footage for any price. My gut tells me this is a very, very guilty demeanor.

This post has been edited by acebaker: Nov 15 2008, 11:17 PM

[acebaker]

http://ipilots.org/?s=1&offset=280&type=1

Contact Shye Gilad. (im listed there too...)

I attempted to register at your linked site, without success. It appears to be some sort of organization for pilots anyway, not me.

Will you please provide contact information for me? Thank you.

acebaker1234 [at] yahoo [dot] com

[rob balsamo]

Ace... i agree VF is very possible... but for what reason? You feel its due to NPT... i disagree. And.. i do not have enough expertise to determine as such (VF). You claim you have the expertise (more than me at least), but i dont know you, and you have zero support. Quest.. didnt you guys ban Ace? Why?

NPT... my gut feeling based on pilots i've flown with... partied with... before i ever researched 9/11.. .who said they followed an aircraft with their own eyes impact the south tower... and the fact you call NYC witnesses "wacky" due to an absurd attempt at precedent of Bigfoot witnesses .. is just.. well.. absurd.

[rob balsamo]

I attempted to register at your linked site, without success. It appears to be some sort of organization for pilots anyway, not me.

Will you please provide contact information for me? Thank you.

acebaker1234 [at] yahoo [dot] com

The website is composed of Former Independence Air pilots which the airline went out of business. Try google regarding the airline. Only former I-Air can register with their former Employee ID.

I can not provide you his contact info as i dont even have it myself. Havent spoken to the guy in years. But i dont think he is lying about his story either as we knew each other well "flying the line".

If you want my support, or the support of P4T for your hypothesis, you must go through Shye first. You have an uphill battle here.... and im certainly not going to jump through hoops for you more than i already have. I apologize for being short.

Good luck!

[acebaker]

Ace... i agree VF is very possible... but for what reason?

1. Too difficult to target a real plane, requires accuracy <1 foot, otherwise "collapse" begins at wrong place.
2. Cannot guarantee penetration of a real plane, might explode on contact with much stronger tower.
3. Real planes leave real evidence, like serial number parts. Could be found by wrong person.

a. Real suicide hijackers? Please be serious.
b. Electronically hijacked passenger jets? Pilots will call and report as such.
c. Plane swap, remote control plane? Wrong serial number parts.

Etc.


Video planes can be rehearsed, and involve the media directly, thus assuring their long term cooperation.

[rob balsamo]

a. Real suicide hijackers? Please be serious.

Which core member of P4T claimed as such?

b. Electronically hijacked passenger jets? Pilots will call and report as such.

Which core member of P4T claimed as such? (edit to add: being a pilot and knowing a sealed pressure vessel, o2 and bleed air, and automated flight systems, its not out of the realm of possibility)

c. Plane swap, remote control plane? Wrong serial number parts.

Please provide serial numbers and mx logs which do not match. Last i checked (and i check often), no serial numbered parts were offered through FOIA.

Except for one piece found on top of a cop car... which does match a 767. Need the link?

Whenever you want to interview witnesses, let us know.. all else is BS in my opnion and will be as such in the case of any court who will interview witnesses and is why you have zero support.

You may be right Ace (i say that cause i wasnt there and i have an open mind).. .but you are going about it in a very wrong way. There are too many witnesses and i know many personally. Convice us by contacting witnesses as done by CIT. You making your "Bigfoot" excuse in order to not examine witness lists is absurd.

[acebaker]

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This post has been edited by acebaker: Nov 16 2008, 12:23 AM

[acebaker]

Which core member of P4T claimed as such?




Which core member of P4T claimed as such? (edit to add: being a pilot and knowing a sealed pressure vessel, o2 and bleed air, and automated flight systems, its not out of the realm of possibility)



Please provide serial numbers and mx logs which do not match. Last i checked (and i check often), no serial numbered parts were offered through FOIA.

Except for one piece found on top of a cop car... which does match a 767. Need the link?

Whenever you want to interview witnesses, let us know.. all else is BS in my opnion and will be as such in the case of any court who will interview witnesses and is why you have zero support.

You may be right Ace (i say that cause i wasnt there and i have an open mind).. .but you are going about it in a very wrong way. There are too many witnesses and i know many personally. Convice us by contacting witnesses as done by CIT. You making your "Bigfoot" excuse in order to not examine witness lists is absurd.

Rob, the lack of serial number parts makes my point. A real plane would leave plane wreckage, with serial number parts. This is part of the answer to your question, "Why fake video?". That's why. No evidence is much better than the wrong evidence.

Yes, I am ready willing and able to interview plane witnesses, especially pilots. As I said, I'm not able to log onto that site you gave. Feel free to give out my email. I can provide my phone number if you like. My only requirement is that witnesses must be willing to give their real names.

[acebaker]

And now what of the witness lists? Contacted any? Interviewed any with conflicting statements? Broken down every single one who claims an impact? Talked to any who claims to have seen the plane(s) along the path?

Let me know if you need a few... i know a few pilots who watched it happen from JFK and EWR. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yes, I need a few. I'm letting you know.

Thank you in advance for connecting me with alleged airplane witnesses willing to be interviewed.

acebaker1234 [at] yahoo [dot] com

[acebaker]

Quest.. didnt you guys ban Ace? Why?

Yes, Quest, why exactly was I banned from Movement, allegedly a no-planers hangout? Could it be that I was demolishing Simon Shack's disinfo campaign? You know, the one Fred and Webfairy got going? About the totally animated videos? That hoax?

Could that be the reason?

[acebaker]

I've just learned that this entire forum is not publicly visible. How clever!

Hmmmmm. Why would P4T force me to post in a section that nobody can actually see? Why would they delete my posts in other sections? And threaten that if I posted in other sections, they'd "show me the door?"

[rob balsamo]

I've just learned that this entire forum is not publicly visible. How clever!

Clever? Not really.. all you have to do is sign out to realize. But then again we are talking to a guy who asked in the Welcome forum if NPT was banned here... while not realizing he replied to a NPT thread months before...

You're not too bright Ace.. .are ya...

[acebaker]

i gess not,

i think your write. I am dum, and this wuz my last chanze. i gess they're whirr plain crash after awl.

i m so sorry. i hope u four give me for awl my bad.

piece and luv

[Quest]

Ace, I'm not exactly sure why you were banned. I should check into this more but I had no part in the decision and never had any problem with you. I would like to say this however - I have know Rob, Painter, Sanders, Cary and many others on PFT for a long time and despite any differences there has always been a willingness to get along for the greater good. I recognize that and promote it. Rob has been more than fair regarding the discussion of this topic here. It seems the majority of times there are problems is when people who are not regular members here make the mistake of suspecting that PFT has an "agenda". It doesn't. What some mistake as an agaenda is just a difference in forum culture. Many, if not most here are greybeards (like myself) and tend to be a little more conservative and stringent (that's a good thing) when making claims. Ace, I saw the thing with Ground Pounder earlier and I didn't take what he said as out of line. It was nothing and I would have given it back to him or make a joke about it. It was NBD and I would have shrugged it off.

There are far too many accusations in the truth movement and we need to be patient, especially when posting on other sites. We may agree or disagree on a given topic but that doesn't make someone one of "them".

Rob, I would love it if the CIT crew would collaborate with a few TV fakery guys (like Ace) to look into the WTC videos more and do a similar witness list like Aldo/CIT put together.

Ace, give these gus a break and you'll see they are more than fair. You've been able to spout off here and yet you haven't been suspended or banned. That should tell you something. Personally, I thing you have a lot of valuable information and if you instead put your focus on the data as opposed to those that don't agree, we'll get that much closer to the truth. Just be patient and take the criticism as constructive.