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[alanj]

G'day everybody,
I currently live in New Zealand although am moving to Tropical North Queensland, Australia at the beginning of the new year.

I'm a newbie, recently made aware of the arguments for a reinvestigation of the events surrounding 9/11 after by chance seeing what I later worked out was "Loose Change" on an independent TV station here in Christchurch, NZ late one night.

After a little study, and discovering such resources as the Pilots for 9/11 Truth and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (I am an Electrical Engineer) I of course launched into the task of "debating" arguments with anyone I could find who posted anything on the internet for and against - going at it with the zealousness of the newly converted.

I can sense the smirks of the more seasoned members of this forum as they read this, because I of course realised very quickly that it isn't that simple and was shocked by the vitriolic attacks directed towards me (mainly by duh-bunkers - funny that) and the completely black and white nature of their mindset.

I recently contacted the researchers on a particular show that airs on our National Radio station to enquire about whether they were aware of the 9/11 debate. They directed me to a recording made earlier in the year, of a segment of the show interviewing David Ray Griffin. Needless to say, the questions were put in a most sarcastic and incredulous tone, he was introduced in a way that set him up as a crank and the focus of the interview detracted IMO from the core facts that have most interested me (the fact that the flight data recorder data does not match with the proposed trajectory of Flight 77 in the official story is one of many glaring inconsistencies).

It is frustrating, fascinating and frightening all at the same time and I can't help wondering if there will ever be a time when we will hear anything from those people who should know the answers. It seems like we are all on a hiding to nothing.

Cheers

[KP50]

Hi Alan,

Welcome to the forum from another Kiwi located person. I am 2 years ahead of you on the learning curve and I experienced the zealousness and the vitriol and after a while decided that it is futile to argue with those with their minds set - there are however lots of open minded people out there who quickly realise that 9/11 is a crock and what's more always knew it deep inside, they just need to be given a gentle shove in the right direction. They also see other events like the assassination of JFK in another light (one person specifically was struck by my argument that it wasn't "who killed JFK?" that is the issue but "how many people had to cover it up and accept the patsy LHO as the sole killer?" which is the real question - he stated that he had never looked at it from that point of view.)

There is a huge chasm between knowing the truth and then deciding on what to do about it - there lies the descent into the rabbit hole of how deeps this all runs and how politicians are the just the ever changing face of the monster.

By the way, do you find the affable John Key slightly sinister? He is the new PM of NZ and his ties to the Federal Reserve mark him out as a man hand-picked to look after NZ in the coming globalisation ....

Cheers,
Nick in Tauranga

[grizz]

Hi alanj. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/welcome.gif)

Many of us here have spent endless hours arguing online about 9/11 with people who simply can't/won't see it. It's really frustrating for those of us who see it so clearly. I don't do it much anymore. I mainly stick to the like minded. Anybody who's online much has been exposed by now, and it's up to them, not me, what they wish to believe or deny.

As far as the true perpetrators ever facing justice, that's unlikely. All we really have is our ability to wake up those around us, using whatever wedge we can. 9/11 is certainly the main entry point to the rabbit hole, but there are others. I feel that once somewhat gets to the point that they know for a fact that there is an elite of puppetmasters in the shadows, the purpose of 9/11 will eventually dawn on them.

Again, welcome. I look forward to more comments from you sir.

[dMz]

Hi again and welcome alanj! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/welcome.gif)

You might want to avoid Amerikan Politics for a while yet- it's a shithole-clusterfuck IMHO! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Sanders]

I can sense the smirks of the more seasoned members of this forum as they read this...

No smirking here. Welcome to the forum!

[rob balsamo]

Welcome to the forum alanj!

[alanj]

Hello everybody, thanks for the warm welcome - it's quite refreshing finding a forum where you can relax, express your views and you don't feel that you are going to be immediately put on the defensive.

I believe open and honest debate and discussion is the only way to come to truth - and I guess that is where the frustration comes into it, none of the duh-bunkers want to engage in that. And the frightening aspect for me comes from the fact that all these people are so opposed to examining the aspects of their case that just don't seem to add up - and they are the same people derisively demanding you prove every aspect of your argument. It's so dogmatic it's untrue.

And Nick, Kia Ora - I'm not sure I'd use the word sinister for the grinning fool John Key (have you ever seen a picture of him when he wasn't grinning like a loon?) or maybe it's just such a change from Auntie Helen's permanent frown that it's difficult to get used to. But I must say that the bunch of cronies he has got lined up behind him make me more nervous - and as for that other clown Rodney Hide - God help us all if he has got his hands on the reins in any shape or form.

Tauranga, eh? I expect you voted for Winston in that case did you? You don't have to answer that - LOL (Poor old Winston, his particular brand of honest dishonesty is going to be missed I'm sure, they are now all looking very much the same now in Parliament)

Cheers everybody

[KP50]

And Nick, Kia Ora - I'm not sure I'd use the word sinister for the grinning fool John Key (have you ever seen a picture of him when he wasn't grinning like a loon?) or maybe it's just such a change from Auntie Helen's permanent frown that it's difficult to get used to. But I must say that the bunch of cronies he has got lined up behind him make me more nervous - and as for that other clown Rodney Hide - God help us all if he has got his hands on the reins in any shape or form.

Tauranga, eh? I expect you voted for Winston in that case did you? You don't have to answer that - LOL (Poor old Winston, his particular brand of honest dishonesty is going to be missed I'm sure, they are now all looking very much the same now in Parliament)

Yeah I agree, Key isn't personally sinister but I have an unproven belief that part of his job will be to make NZ tow the "War on Terror" line as the Australians have been for a while. And I did vote for Winston to try to keep the actually sinister young Bridges out Parliament - even though it was to no avail as any bugger could have stood for National and been elected here. Love him or hate him, Winston is a real character and I suspect he will be back again one day although he is 63 now and surely could make a comfortable life as a celebrity speaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Peters).

[dMz]

Are NZ and Oz in the G20 bunch (up from G7 and G8 as I recall) nowadays?

[KP50]

Are NZ and Oz in the G20 bunch (up from G7 and G8 as I recall) nowadays?

Oz is in it but NZ is too damn small (fortunately).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-20_major_economies

[alanj]

Love him or hate him, Winston is a real character and I suspect he will be back again one day although he is 63 now and surely could make a comfortable life as a celebrity speaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Peters).

I didn't like to admit it but I too voted for NZ First with my Party vote (no electorate vote possible in my neck of the woods) just for the sheer "stick it to 'em!" philosophy. I hoped that if enough votes from the disillusioned voters like myself went his way he might just have sneaked it.

He is a great character and Parliament will be the worse without him. Although for the life of me I still have a hard time getting it in my head how that little mole Rodney Hide (with only a 3.5% total party vote was it and one electorate win was it?) can have 5 MPs with so much swing and poor old NZ First who only just fell short of the 5% get nothing at all.

[Leslie Landry]

Nice to see a knew face. glad to have you here!