For Whats Its Worth, about witnesses N of citgo(navy exchange) Options

[Conqueri]

My 2nd post, besides me saying hi (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well, Im not sure if this will be of any value whatsoever but I thought I should at least share it, at least it might be some fun reading(I hope)
Its actually from another forum, a gaming forum.....yes I do play video games old as I am (41)
Game is called ww2online and its a multiplayer game with lots of people playing.

Many of those people are either in the military, retired or stationed in somewhere in the world.
Some of those work/have worked at the pentagon .

Needless to say im in a minority when it comes to discussing 911 and all that comes with it....and thats a lot.
Im gonna try to make a long story short, but since the forum where the thread is posted is in a secure forum,u need to register for the game to be able to read or post.
So im just gonna post the things i find interesting.

So , please bear with me.
what happened was that one guy said that he was so tired of all conspiracy nuts, and that he knew what had happened since he was there and saw the plane.
That got me really interested
So I asked him two questions
first being what direction the plane came from, and the second thing was if he had seen the lightpoles being struck by the plane.
Heres his reply

I was walking from the Pentagon to the Navy Annex - I had a dental appointment at the Navy Annex that morning and missed the DOD shuttle bus that takes you from the Pentagon to the Annex - I first saw the plan just as starting walking west up Southgate Road. My first three reactions were that it was way outside it's landing pattern, it was going way too fast and that the gear was not down. The plane flew over Arlington Cemetary so it would have been flying west to east.

I recall looking up at the plane wondering what the hell he was doing. Next thing I recall there was a loud thump, car alarms going off all over the place, and a lot of black smoke. So much that I couldn't see the Pentagon.

I don't believe I actually saw the plane make contact with the Pentagon nor did I see it take down any light poles. I do recall standing on the sidewalk for what seemed like a long time before I started running back to the Pentagon.

Now, heres a person who dont subscribe to any "crazy theories", so I flatly (after some thinking) pointed out that his version conflicted with the official one.
So I posted some pics of the area to try to get his location on Southgate road.
Now , of course the other guys started to question his account that day.....he must be mistake, human error , conspiracy crap etc etc...which if you ask me was kinda funny to watch (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
But then another guy posted who work at the pentagon.

I was there that day also.

My office was on the Pentagon reservation in the CCSP compound on the N side.

Although I know of no dental facilities in the annex (pretty much know every room/floor), I have no reason to doubt what TOPD writes. It sounds consistent with other reports. (Save for the whacko's who wanted to get on TV).

However......

Being intimately familiar with the reservation, the annex and the adjoining cemetery, There is no way that aircraft came directly over the annex. It had to come over just N of it, which is consistent with the numerous reports from my cow-workers.

What struck me was numerous co-workers.
and when when the anti911 crowd started questioning the guy who saw the plane passing over Arlington
he continued to write:

From the crossover to the E building of the annex is only like 200yds at most. Walked it many times. Regardless of "where" he was in that stretch, it would not alter his understanding of N-S-E-W

Pent is E, all of E. huge reservation. Cemetery is N, all of N, Huge land plot, takes over all of N side SG road. Annex is W, all of W, bigass series of buildings. S would either be obscured by the hill or if he was a bit E of center on SG, S would be pentagon city - All of S, big buildings all over skyline.

He would not confuse dir or location at all.

So I asked some stuff and bout his co workers, but he wouldnt answer that.

Yes, to your first question. However, I will not convey their accounts or opinions, nor my own. (I wasn't there for the crash, was later in the day). I do not share opinion on any of the accounts or theories as it could conflict with my career. I'm happy to provide factual input, but will stop there. Sorry.

I said I respected that, but got the impression that he wanted to share more .
He posted more stuff and fact about the pentagon, not anything special but I believe he was trying to give me hints of some sorts(I might be wrong tho).

The Pentagon is only a few feet higher than the river. As a matter of fact, the cooling plant under the facility is below river level and uses river water. So 10-15 ft higher than river at most.

The annex foundation (bigass hill)is 5-6 stories higher than the pentagon parking lot. The annex buildings are 5 stories each. This is the new air force memorial built on the E lawn of the annex. Note the hill. The pic seems to be taken about 1/2 way up.

The pic hes referring to is the air force memorial.

The big myth here is prior to 9/11 it (and many other) DOD admin facilities were not very secure. Prior to 9/11 the security people at the reservation were mall guards.. You didn't even need a badge to get in until the mid 90's. We used to go in and eat lunch all the time. Obviously there were internal secure areas, but the mall(food court-ish) and the internal center were wide open to the public. Post 9/11, they federalized PFPA and gave all the mall guards swat gear and machine guns. You wwant to talk about power trips, OMG, these folks have it bad.

During the renovation period around when 9/11 occurred, wedge one was being renovated and wedges 3-4-5 were being prepped to. Meaning effectively 1/3 of the place was a big construction site.

Post 9/11 security there got extremely tight. Not necessarily laser beams on sharks and ray guns on the roof, but physical access and internal access got super tight. Never happened to me, but a few of my buddies got the "thrown down with a Glock in your neck" treatment for walking through a hall without their badge being displayed. one guy had his coat covering it. "BAM-On the ground".

Finally the guy who saw the plane post again and this is what he had to say:

Okay. You see that little parking island just north of building 8? The one with sidewalks on either side? I was walking west on the north side of that island. It appeared to me that the plane came in from the south-west and passed slighly north of were I was standing and appeared to be over the cemetary. My dental appointment was in building 3 so I had to enter the Annex through the north entrance which is WNW of the Henderson Hall vehicle entrance.

[Conqueri]

then he posts again:

Regardless of the official version, which I have never read, I stand by my accout of what I heard and saw.

I think he felt somewhat at unease when the other guys suddenly started to question his testimony.
He follows up with

I do remember seeing some local news interviews of people who were stuck in traffice on 395 near exit 8 stating the the plane flew up 395 or over 395.

I recall wondering what they saw because it didn't match what I saw from where I was standing.

It's been a long time since I've recounted the events that morning to anyone but I know about where I was and what I saw. I can't speak for anyone else's accounts of what they saw but I can account for what I saw.

Then of course some remarks about me from some people (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You're an idiot.

This is thinly veiled conspiracy theorizing, and akin to sedition.

quite amusing..hehe

I got some good post too, even though you probably know about this one already:

I recall reading the official report quoted before that the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon was on a course of 70 degrees magnetic. Not sure what the fooferaww is all about, but this may help.
Pentagon, Washington, DC: Dept. of Defense zip code 20001

Magnetic declination, sometimes called magnetic variation, is the angle between magnetic north and true north. Declination is considered positive east of true north and negative when west.Latitude: N S Longitude: E W Enter Date (1900-2010): Year: Month (1-12): Day (1-31):
Declination = 10° 44' W changing by 0° 0' W/year
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodel...alcDeclination

Subtracting 10 degrees 44 minutes from compass heading 70 degrees magnetic yields a course of 59 degrees 16 minutes true.

How does this jibe with observations of witnesses?

and another one:

Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel - I and anyone with some knowledge of combustion and metallurgy knew that the day the towers burned... and were also astounded to see them subsequently fall. I've been trying to reconcile what I know with what I saw ever since.

Perhaps the temperature was sufficient to weaken the steel to the point of local failure without melting. Perhaps the updraft/inflow of air brought in sufficient oxygen to raise the temperature of combustion.

Perhaps there is another explanation.

Well that pretty much sums it up.
Now just wait til I post a long story (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Aldo Marquis CIT]

Conqueri,

We would love it if would coule arrange to speak with them. Let them know that we have interviewed tons of witnesses, victims, rescue/recovery, etc.

Let them know we just want them to draw on an overhead satellite shot what they saw or the flight path of the plane rather.

[Craig Ranke CIT]

Very interesting Conqueri.

Thanks for sharing.

If there is a way to ask that witness to contact us please do because obviously as you know there are many others who corroborate his account.

Send him our email: cit@thepentacon.com

[Conqueri]

Very interesting Conqueri.

Thanks for sharing.

If there is a way to ask that witness to contact us please do because obviously as you know there are many others who corroborate his account.

Send him our email: cit@thepentacon.com

Hi guys,

Ill tell you what I can do, since I dont personally know them.
I will send them a note about this and see if they will reply.
If that fail Ill try to see if I can get hold of a phone number to the place where the guy who saw the plane works now(down in texas somewhere...need to check)

This post has been edited by Conqueri: Dec 9 2008, 08:54 PM

[Conqueri]

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