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Video Shows Concrete Core Wall Falling Into Core., No steel core columns ever seen in the core area.

Christophera
post Dec 25 2008, 03:05 PM
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More an more evidence keeps showing up that substanciates the steel reinforced cast concrete, rectangular, tubular core of the Twin Towers. This means the entire truth movement is completely mislead and the post 9-11 psyops is running the truth movement.

Static Annotation of Triangular Concrete pic falling into the core of WTC 1
(IMG:http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww168/S_N_A_F_U/wtc1corefall2.jpg)

Slower animation sequence of the same piece of the WTC1 core wall destruction.
(IMG:http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww168/S_N_A_F_U/core_animation_75.gif)

That is absolutely a huge piece of concrete. The vertical steel seen are either elevator guide rail supports or box columns outside the core.

Here's the original video link so those who want the whole thing can get to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI[/quote]


The psyops has the truth movement using plans from silverstein who made $6 billion from insurance and it is easily shown the plans have been digitally altered to appear as final drawings and also remnants of ground zero prove the plans do not represent the design of the core.

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1993 bombings...
If the van filled with explosives was parked closer to the central core,
would this have caused that tower to collapse back then?
(this seems to be the excuse, for why, that a tower did not collapse, in 1993.)
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post Jan 19 2009, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Jan 17 2009, 08:16 PM) *
1993 bombings...
If the van filled with explosives was parked closer to the central core,
would this have caused that tower to collapse back then?
(this seems to be the excuse, for why, that a tower did not collapse, in 1993.)


Much more than collapse. Boom, the whole tower, foundation to top, the core, goes off all at once.

Because of that issue, and the molten steel in the basement, I researched the 1983 bombing and found that the FBI had supervised it as a sort of sting on the terrorists. Originally, fake explosives were planned, a dry run thing, not real clear about that. Eventually the FBI had said "park the van next to the core wall", in the depositions of the FBI it confirmed the final directions to the bombers were to move away from the core and depend on the damage to the floor diaphrams to cause maximum destruction.

Right after the complex was leased to silverstein there were news stories about long lines at the towers because of insurance comapny required elevator inspections. People working on lower floors had to travel over their floor and come back down because of elevator shafts being shut down. I theorize this was needed to put the appropriate delays in the rebar circuit of the core which just was slightly faster than free fall in descent.
From the 1990 documentary, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" I learned that that there were inspection ports created no the inside of the core by the inner breakdown steel form used to form the concrete core walls. The DOC noted that the fixtures of that form projecting outwards to make the inspection ports, had to be adjusted as the core went upwards. Only 40 vertical can be cast at one time because of hydrostatic presue on outer form wood. Then as the core walls went up, the depth to the rebar, which was the target for inspections, reduced. WTC 1 core had a taper to the outside and the inside wall was plumb, top to bottom.

Below the taper can be seen by the wider space of light between the core wall and the interior box column, which must be plumb, located just outside the core, as the tower goes up. Compare that to WTC 2 which had a redesigned concrete core configuration that was stronger while also allowing the hallways crossing the core to double and created a lobby with elevators that opened outwards whereas above the lobby the only access to elevators was from inside the core.

WTC 2 has parallel core walls above the 43rd where massive HVAC and elevator equipment was located. WTC 1 was similarly heavy below he 43rd but only had 1 hallway per floor in perpendicularly opposing directions. That changed to 2 in opposing directions somewhere above the 43rd, not sure.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtccoreshilouette.jpg)

The The sunrise silhouette image is very interesting for me because I work in construction and notice concrete surfaces or how they were cast, along with the evolving techniques that are most rapidly developed in highway projects. I noticed that steel forms can make a concrete surface so smooth it can act as a effective mirror for sunlight and blind motorists. The The sunrise silhouette shows WTC 1, not photographed from due west of the towers hallways, so the light is reflected off of the inside of the core wall in the lower parts, then above, because it changed perhaps at the top sky lobby section, to having 1 hallway in each direction per floor rather than only 1 perpendicularly opposed with each floor.
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Because of that issue, and the molten steel in the basement, I researched the 1983 bombing and found that the FBI had supervised it as a sort of sting on the terrorists. Originally, fake explosives were planned, a dry run thing, not real clear about that. Eventually the FBI had said "park the van next to the core wall", in the depositions of the FBI it confirmed the final directions to the bombers were to move away from the core and depend on the damage to the floor diaphrams to cause maximum destruction.


The 1993 bomb was set under WTC3, not either tower. No core columns were threatened. This fantasy must be destroyed once and for all.

The bomb shattered a glass wall in the lobby of WTC3, allowing smoke to rise into the elevator shafts of WTC1. More smoke found its way through the garages and into WTC2, creating a huge illusion that the towers were on fire.

The after action report on the 1993 bombing can be found here:

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-076.pdf

You'll note demolition consistencies with 2001 evidence of basement explosions, IE marble blown off lobby walls and elevator doors ajar.

The 1993 bombing provided the opportunity to rework and retrofit the towers for the 2001 demolition. All done at taxpayer expense. Just like the urban removal scam accomplished on 911.
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QUOTE (kawika @ Feb 23 2009, 12:12 PM) *
The 1993 bomb was set under WTC3, not either tower. No core columns were threatened. This fantasy must be destroyed once and for all.

The bomb shattered a glass wall in the lobby of WTC3, allowing smoke to rise into the elevator shafts of WTC1. More smoke found its way through the garages and into WTC2, creating a huge illusion that the towers were on fire.

The after action report on the 1993 bombing can be found here:

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-076.pdf

You'll note demolition consistencies with 2001 evidence of basement explosions, IE marble blown off lobby walls and elevator doors ajar.

The 1993 bombing provided the opportunity to rework and retrofit the towers for the 2001 demolition. All done at taxpayer expense. Just like the urban removal scam accomplished on 911.


I believe the 1993 Bombing was a test run for 9/11. One of the things they needed to know was how much damage, x amount of explosives could do to the sublevels.

The bomb was placed under the Vista Hotel, directly over the chiller system and electrical system for the entire Complex.

(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/DoYouEverWonder/Misc/WTC1993bombingmap.jpg)

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The blast just so happened to be located at the point where it could do the most damage. It knocked out the power plant for the entire complex. This plunged into darkness over 50,000 people in the Twin Towers. No lights, no elevators, no heat, and lots of soot filled smoke. Most New York City television stations have their transmitters atop tower 1.This left only 1 TV station on the air (Channel 2 WCBS). Cable reception was not interrupted as the cable head end is fed directly from the studio and not the transmitter site. Many of the trapped occupants were listening to their radios for information. In some of the offices where televisions were located, they were watching channel 2.

http://www.fdnewyork.com/wtc.asp


This gave them an excuse to shut down the Towers for over a month and to launch a major renovation project to upgrade the mechanical systems in all of the buildings. The perps had 8 years to do whatever they wanted to prep the complex for demolition. Those 'terrorists' sure got lucky, again.

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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 21 2009, 10:47 PM) *
I believe the 1993 Bombing was a test run for 9/11. One of the things they needed to know was how much damage, x amount of explosives could do to the sublevels.

The bomb was placed under the Vista Hotel, directly over the chiller system and electrical system for the entire Complex.

(IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/DoYouEverWonder/Misc/WTC1993bombingmap.jpg)



This gave them an excuse to shut down the Towers for over a month and to launch a major renovation project to upgrade the mechanical systems in all of the buildings. The perps had 8 years to do whatever they wanted to prep the complex for demolition. Those 'terrorists' sure got lucky, again.


I would have to agree generally, with everything. My viewng that 1990 documentary, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" really sets a standard of explanatory, feasible, engineerable technology, along with the expose I read provided by Navy Seal divers building sub bases off San Diego in the early 1960's who invented the Explosive coated rebar grid explosive distribution/concrete containment idea. It was by accident and unauthorized as a reaction to being forced to go the the bottom in 160 foot waters and jackhammer a secret opening that all the plans intentionally left out. The divers had already hammerded 3 in same place and one was too pissed off about it and the needed decompression time and was prepared to kill who delivered the next order to go brek the secret hole in the sub base wall in exactly the same place they had already done it three times. He had an inspiration and used a solvent on issue C4 ordinance, made a thick goo depositing a reasonable mass of C4 on the rebar, spun them, tipped them distributed the C4 as the solvent evaporated making a thin layer, hung them to dry, took them to the bottom and went inside the opening size he had broken into finished sub base walls by a parallel dimension and tied them into the reinforcing grid here a candle wired to it sticking outwards to the forms as they are installed, carefully located, relocated when stripping the forms.
It paid off, a few days after the pour, just as the forms were to be stripped, the orders to break the opening showed up placing it at the same place, again.
After a 20 minute dive and almost no compression, a timer, a detonator inserted down the hole where the wax had been drilled out, next to the C4 coated rebar, with no orders to do so, somethign required, they detonated the rebar, took turns an short dives of 20 minutes apiece, and the jack hammer work was cut down to 4 hours from 16.
They were stoked until an officer showed with a seismometer recording showed with the unauthorized detonation spiking it.

He pressed them, the guilty inventor confessed angrily, there was no problem, the officer sent a team of DOD explosives and structural engineers, the diver was debriefed, some tests were done, 6 month laters all sub bases were completely constructed with the same coated rebar, soon missile silos were built that way.
Since 1999, 4,000 silos have been demoed, all built after 1965.

The cold war was created in order to justify secrecy, both side cooperating towards a common goal shared by the simualtaneous infiltration.

The 1993 bombing tested the "terror networks" cultivated for that purpose and also took care of a demolition oversight. The heavy bases of the perimeter columns and interior box columns surrounding the concrete core would make the demo very expensive and time consuming, so thermite liners under drywall were installed. It was important within the psyops decieiving and manipulating the public to get the site cleaned up and start planning a new WTC, so on that matter, a reason for an extensive remodel was needed.

If you look deep in the transcripts of interogetores and depositions on the FBI, by the bombers defense,

http://www.takeoverworld.info/

and I really wish I had more detail for you, you will find where the bombers were originally told to park it against the core, but then were instructed to move it out under the facilities you mention and floors.
However, the intial parking location indicates that someone knew the core was a continuous explosive circuit all the way to the top, and that, plus perhaps common sense of demolition, was the reason the van was moved in the plan. If the van had been next to the concrete core and it's blast had reached the C3 the entire would pop like a firecracker. Now, ......... that would be hard to explain.

Logically the deep secret of built to demolish would be very highly kept and street walking FBI agents might not know. So, saudi knowledge in overview by FBI handlers changed the plan perhaps.

Paul Laffoley,

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=50655

states he heard a saudi concrete contractor ask "Where they should put the explosives?"

The notion was also put forth to a guy working on the elevator motor certifications.

http://www.rense.com/general48/chargesplacedinWTC.htm

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QUOTE (Christophera @ Feb 23 2009, 08:58 PM) *
states he heard a saudi concrete contractor ask "Where they should put the explosives?"

The notion was also put forth to a guy working on the elevator motor certifications.

http://www.rense.com/general48/chargesplacedinWTC.htm


May I ask what's the shelf life of the material these explosives were made out of? Especially in a salt air environment.

Hi Rise Construction is very dangerous. I seriously doubt you'll find many hardhats in NYC who would be willing to work on a construction site with explosives, unless they were still doing excavation. They certainly wouldn't be too keen to handle this stuff during construction.

However, it is possible that the Towers were designed in a modular way, with the idea that at some time in the future, they might want to take the buildings apart for some reason. This would be a 60ish concept and might explain why they didn't bother to weld the joins, in the perimeter curtain walls.
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QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Feb 23 2009, 08:06 PM) *
May I ask what's the shelf life of the material these explosives were made out of? Especially in a salt air environment.

I know that salvage divers are quite leery of WW2 era wrecks, mines, and submarines due to the torpedoes and other munitions. Composition C4/P4 lasts for years, is waterproof, and you can shoot it with a rifle and not get detonation. It is extremely stable until properly detonated. Think of it as "silly putty with a bad attitude."
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