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Addressing Gl Arguments Regarding Noc Tech Paper

rob balsamo
post Jan 6 2009, 12:21 PM
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Looks like there is only one reply so far, out of much noise being generated at the GL site... so we'll address the first "legit" reply to our NoC paper...

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Didn't 911files show that the radii PfT was using in their last video were fudged? Looks like they're still using those same radii in this paper.

ETA: Why, yes, he did...


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http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4324901&postcount=8


Actually, no, he didnt.

1. It appears Farmer cherry picked one "radius" for his claim, not "radii". Yet refuses to show exactly which "radius" he feel is "fudged".

2. Based on Farmers final arithmetic for our alleged "fudged" radius, Farmer calculated his alleged G Load based on bank angle which Farmer claims is accurate -

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Farmer calculates G load for given bank...

Banking angle = 62 degrees
g-force = 1.9


Its far from accurate...

First, Farmer doesnt specify speed to obtain such a bank angle.

Second, Farmer's arithmetic is wrong regarding G load for a given bank angle.

Every pilot from a student onward knows the rule of thumb that a 60 deg bank is 2.0G. How does Farmer calculate less G load for a higher bank? I'll tell you why, its because Farmer doesnt understand basic vector analysis as outlined in the paper, doesnt understand how to calculate a sag of an arc, nor is he able to determine a proper radii.

Looks like Farmer needs the chart as his "maths" is pathetic.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10761451

Or perhaps he will actually learn something from the tech paper regarding vector analysis.

n = 1/cos(62)

n = 2.13 G's

Farmer is more than 10% off with his "maths".
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rob balsamo
post Jan 6 2009, 03:27 PM
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JayDuh once again lives up to the "Duh" in his name...

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quick question; the scale listed in the diagrams, this would be dependant upon the size of my 'puter screen so can we assume that each square on the graph paper is 1cm per side?


1cm Box = 100 feet

....as explained in all our video presentations.

Not to mention the first picture in our tech paper shows "R=253.497cm".

Does he really think the "cm" is based on distance along his computer screen? Really?

Another "Senior moment" for JayDuh i guess... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Think he will understand the "units" this time around? I doubt it... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

Here JayDuh.. i'll help you a bit. "cm" doesnt necessarily have to mean "centimeter". It can be a variable. Although, it does mean centimeter in terms of the CAD program used, but its not based on distance across your "computer screen".. i suppose JayDuh also thinks an Architect has to have a monitor with a surface area of several hundred feet because he shows a side of a building at x number of feet in his CAD program on his monitor? too funny...lol... aww, the poor ol' timers.. cant even determine scale...
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- rob balsamo   Addressing Gl Arguments Regarding Noc Tech Paper   Jan 6 2009, 12:21 PM
- - rob balsamo   Initial thoughts from Farmer: bolding excerpts fro...   Jan 6 2009, 02:56 PM
- - rob balsamo   JayDuh once again lives up to the "Duh" ...   Jan 6 2009, 03:27 PM
- - rob balsamo   Farmer rant regarding debate... QUOTE For the ben...   Jan 6 2009, 04:10 PM
- - dMole   Hi 7 guests!   Jan 6 2009, 04:37 PM
- - rob balsamo   Just want to quickly address this (even though off...   Jan 6 2009, 04:44 PM
- - dMole   Back on topic, I've got a minor gripe with the...   Jan 6 2009, 04:50 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 6 2009, 03:50 PM) Back...   Jan 6 2009, 05:03 PM
- - rob balsamo   Beachnut is imploding.... again. "but.. .but...   Jan 6 2009, 05:15 PM
- - rob balsamo   I see the infamous "Gravy" - NYC Tour Gu...   Jan 6 2009, 05:40 PM
- - rob balsamo   ok.. wont spend too much time on this... but Curt...   Jan 6 2009, 06:25 PM
- - rob balsamo   JayDuh says... QUOTE As I said before.... it seem...   Jan 6 2009, 07:58 PM
- - Craig Ranke CIT   So apparently the all agree that your math is accu...   Jan 6 2009, 09:59 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Jan 6 2009, 08:5...   Jan 6 2009, 10:11 PM
|- - Craig Ranke CIT   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2009, 02:11 AM...   Jan 6 2009, 11:11 PM
- - rob balsamo   Beachnut claims - QUOTE You posted an idiotic pap...   Jan 6 2009, 11:07 PM
- - rob balsamo   The NYC Tour Guide Mark "Gravy" Roberts ...   Jan 6 2009, 11:14 PM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   Mod Edit: The following twwo posts were split from...   Jan 7 2009, 02:11 PM
- - rob balsamo   Thanks Aldo. Good to see you back posting... guess...   Jan 7 2009, 02:40 PM
- - rob balsamo   JayDuh continuing to live up to his Duh... QUOTE ...   Jan 7 2009, 04:47 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 7 2009, 01:47 PM...   Jan 7 2009, 06:12 PM
|- - dMole   QUOTE (dMole @ Jan 7 2009, 03:12 PM) Here...   Jan 22 2009, 07:06 PM
- - dMole   You know, there is a good reason that one of the f...   Jan 7 2009, 05:03 PM
- - rob balsamo   Also, JayDuh is wrong with his claims of Farmer ca...   Jan 7 2009, 05:25 PM
- - rob balsamo   I didnt really cross check JayDuh's actual ari...   Jan 7 2009, 07:04 PM
- - rob balsamo   Farmer rants... "I can't help it if P4T ...   Jan 7 2009, 08:32 PM
- - dMole   HINT for J. Farmer: The US Navy and "old tim...   Jan 7 2009, 09:02 PM
- - rob balsamo   JayDuh still living up to his name.... QUOTE I be...   Jan 8 2009, 09:02 PM
- - dMole   Although I already posted this information long ag...   Jan 14 2009, 10:06 AM
- - dMole   Well, it looks like ol' "nicepants" ...   Jan 15 2009, 02:35 AM
- - rob balsamo   I see now the idiots over there think we get our r...   Jan 18 2009, 01:06 AM
|- - tnemelckram   QUOTE I see now the idiots over there think we get...   Jan 18 2009, 03:32 AM
- - dMole   On things technical, the Farmer recently claimed (...   Jan 18 2009, 02:18 AM
- - rob balsamo   Dont waste your time dMole. It is clear Farmer is ...   Jan 18 2009, 03:34 AM


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