Addressing Gl Arguments Regarding Noc Tech Paper
Jan 6 2009, 12:21 PM
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Looks like there is only one reply so far, out of much noise being generated at the GL site... so we'll address the first "legit" reply to our NoC paper...
Didn't 911files show that the radii PfT was using in their last video were fudged? Looks like they're still using those same radii in this paper.
ETA: Why, yes, he did...
Actually, no, he didnt.
1. It appears Farmer cherry picked one "radius" for his claim, not "radii". Yet refuses to show exactly which "radius" he feel is "fudged".
2. Based on Farmers final arithmetic for our alleged "fudged" radius, Farmer calculated his alleged G Load based on bank angle which Farmer claims is accurate -
Farmer calculates G load for given bank...
Banking angle = 62 degrees
g-force = 1.9
Its far from accurate...
First, Farmer doesnt specify speed to obtain such a bank angle.
Second, Farmer's arithmetic is wrong regarding G load for a given bank angle.
Every pilot from a student onward knows the rule of thumb that a 60 deg bank is 2.0G. How does Farmer calculate less G load for a higher bank? I'll tell you why, its because Farmer doesnt understand basic vector analysis as outlined in the paper, doesnt understand how to calculate a sag of an arc, nor is he able to determine a proper radii.
Looks like Farmer needs the chart as his "maths" is pathetic.
Or perhaps he will actually learn something from the tech paper regarding vector analysis.
n = 1/cos(62)
n = 2.13 G's
Farmer is more than 10% off with his "maths".
Jan 14 2009, 10:06 AM
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(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Although I already posted this information long ago at post #7 on this thread, apparently we need to define some science/engineering terms again for the benefit of a couple of "semantical Simons" of the illusionist cult persuasion (although they keep telling us how easy the "math" is and asking for "math").
Here's a bit on g from that post #7 again:
a symbol for the average acceleration produced by gravity at the Earth's surface (sea level). The actual acceleration of gravity varies from place to place, depending on latitude, altitude, and local geology. The symbol g is often used informally as a unit of acceleration. By agreement among physicists, the standard acceleration of gravity gn is defined to be exactly 9.806 65 meters per second per second (m/s2), or about 32.174 05 feet per second per second. At latitude p, a conventional value of the acceleration of gravity at sea level is given by the International Gravity Formula,
g(p)=9.7803267714(1+0.00193185138639sin2(p))/√(1-0.0069437999013sin2(p)). The variation, caused by the oblateness of the Earth and the accleration we experience due to the rotation of the Earth, is about half a percent, from 9.780 327 m/s2 at the Equator to 9.833 421 m/s2 at the poles.
The symbol g was used as a unit first in aeronautical and space engineering, where it is important to limit the accelerations experienced by the crew members of aircraft and spaceships: the "g forces," as they are called. This use became familiar through the space programs, and now a variety of accelerations are measured in g's. The names gee and grav is also used for this unit. Note that g is also the symbol for the gram.
"In physics or physical science, acceleration (symbol: a) is defined as the rate of change (or derivative with respect to time) of velocity. It is thus a vector quantity with dimension length/timeČ. In SI units, acceleration is measured in meters/secondČ using an accelerometer."
load [ lōd ]
noun (plural loads)
"7. electricity amount of drawn electrical power: the amount of electrical power that is drawn from a line or source
8. electrical engineering device drawing electrical power: any device to which electrical power is delivered
9. mechanical engineering force and weight on structure: the total force and weight that a structure such as a bridge is designed to withstand. For a bridge, this includes the dynamic loads of traffic, wind, snow, and ice and the static load of the bridge's own weight.
10. mechanical engineering work required of mechanical device: the work required of or placed on an engine or machine, measured in kilowatts or horsepower."
"In a general sense, the design load is the maximum amount of something a system is designed to handle or the maximum amount of something that the system can produce, which are very different meanings. For example, a crane with a design load of 20 tons is designed to be able to lift loads that weigh 20 tons or less."
Did anyone else notice that I [and common scientific/engineering industry defintions] have been discussing forces, weights, and loads fairly interchangeably so far (and these are directly proportional to accelerations by Newton's Second Law). Also, accelerations are often measured in g-units.
I don't think we want to get into pressure, stress, or strain so as not to confuse some (but it is a very small leap from here). Let's really not get into inertial reference frames...
EDIT: And like Punksawtawnnie Phil:
reply posted on 12-1-2009 @ 09:23 PM by 911files [about 2/3 of the way down, and argumentum ad fantasia or something like that...]
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