Jan 6 2009, 04:54 PM
Joined: 13-September 06
Member No.: 49
Israel is engaged in, what I consider, genocide in slow motion in the Gaza Strip. They just want to be rid of the Palestinians - however.
The US government has been practically overtaken by Zionists or politicians sympathetic to the Zionist cause. Many of our "leaders" hold dual-citizenship. It appears that support of the Israeli-Zionist cause is a pre-condition for electablity. After a couple of decades of hard work, that's how much influence Israel now wields.
The US media is, at the top, for the most part, run by Zionists. The illusion of a "free-press" is barely sustained - don't expect any fair or balanced news from the media.
The banking cartel that runs the world is not Jewish - it is half Jewish. The Jewish part, the Rothschilds and the Warburgs, are based in England and Europe. The American half of the equation is far more convoluted ... the Rothschilds and the Warburgs have held on to their stock privately - the Rockefeller and Morgan (gentile) banks in the US though (JP MorganChase, Citibank) are publicly owned, so without a torturous exploration into the stockholding companies of those banks, it is impossible to say how "Jewish" they are or aren't.
I continue to hold that it is more about money and less about religion ... and that Israel's influence over the US government is Israeli-driven. It may be partially banker-driven as well, I don't know, but, since I doubt that the banking families involved give a flying-hoot about the Jewish "cause", I assume their motivations are more material. If those motivations are deeper (more religious) in nature, then they are interested in the WHOLE REGION - from Gaza to Basra - for that is the ancient home of (as they perceive?) themselves and civilization itself.
I'm going to jump around - don't expect any rhyme or reason - there is none.
The Rothschilds resisted backing the Zionist movement at it's inception. As the first world war was raging Baron Rothschild suggested to Theodor Hertzel (founder of the Zionist movement) that he (Herzel) found his proposed Jewish state in Uganda. (!) They (the Rothschild family) were initially not very interested, Hertzel's ideas sounded "too jewish" to the Rothshilds - that's a quote. ... but they finally came around.
Edmund Rothschild was the first to create settlements in Palestine, they were wine-making settlements, he was from the French House - winemakers. He (Edmund) fought to keep Hertzl's power in Palestine in check until his death. There were a couple of other motivating factors at work that drew the Rothschilds into Palestine, one was the mineral riches present in the Dead Sea - 3 TRILLION worth of magnesium and other metals.
The Balfour Declaration did in fact promise a chunk of land to the Zionist movement THROUGH Lionel Rothschild, via a letter from Author Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, in 1917. There is a good reason why this letter was addressed to Lionel Rothshild, the Turks (Ottoman Empire) who lost WWI, were heavily indebted to the Rothschilds.
The Rothschilds, like most European Jews, are descended from Khazars - which was a huge empire which peaked a thousand years ago in the steppes north of the Caspian and Black seas. Many will tell you that these Jews have no blood-connection to Palestine.
However, the northern tribes were allegedly carted off into northern Mesopotamia (now Syria), and most likely, given the strife that was going on at the time in that area, probably migrated north, through the Caucasus into the lands which would become Khazaria - which would help explain why the Empire of Khazaria converted en-mass to Judaeism.
So, the argument that European Jews have no connection to Israel because they are Khazars, doesn't really hold water if you dig into the history.
Then again, the Bible tended to exaggerate - there were never that many Jews in Palestine. And furthermore, the Palestinians (Philistines) were/are Semites - descended from Shem ... the Khazar Jews are mostly (by blood percentage) descended from Japeth, being of the Black Sea - Caspian Sea region - there had to be some mixing of blood over those hundreds of years ... so, anti-Jewish speech should really be labeled 'anti-Japethism' - no? But all of us European-American rooted people are, as per the Bible, Japithites too, so aren't we all the same?
When you hear the word "anti-semite" spewed, know that the Palestinians are more correctly "Semites" than European based Jews. With the above moderating factors.
So to summarize, up is down, Bush's grandfather helped finance Hitler, practically everything we have been told is "spin", the Palestinians are correctly Semites, the Jews are more correctly Japethites, the Rothschilds resisted supporting Hertzel and his Zionist movement, half of the banking families who "rule the world" are not Jewish, hence, the argument that it's all a "Jewish plot" leaves much to be desired.
It's so funny to me. (Funny, but tragically serious.) People seem to have a hard time separating Judaeism from Zionism. I'm trying to look behind Zionism - to the root of where the line between Judaeism and Zionism is intentionally blurred.
Do you not see how complicated this all is, and how many interpretations are possible?
Only one thing is for certain - Israel wields undue and excessive influence in the US government. But we deserve it - as Jefferson said, the price of libery is eternal vigilance. America has not been vigilant.
So, we have have a government and a media beside it bought and paid for by Israel, who receives all that cash back in foreign aid.
"Good work if you can get it".
Behold the fruits of your unwakefulness, America, children with their arms blown off in Gaza, a million civilians dead in Iraq - and who knows what horrors the use of depleted uranium in Iraq, or DIME weapons in Gaza, will result in.
I just don't know what to say anymore.
Jan 10 2009, 11:23 PM
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Joined: 1-March 07
Member No.: 710
i don't know as much about freemasonry as i would like to know.
i recognize that george washington was a freemason. as was benjamin franklin[i think].
and i have read arguments propounded that the failures of the imperial forces of george 3 to successfully prosecute the war against the colonial insurrection was the result of fellow freemasons in the general staffs of the imperial forces. often cited is the battle of saratoga, where burgoyne[not a freemason] was denied his victory over the colonials by general william howe[a freemason].
the implication is that the extrication of the colonies from the hanoverian monarchy was a freemasonic conspiracy.
in my experience, i have found that there is a freemason greasing of the rails to success. in the state of ohio, if you had political/legal ambitions, you were well-advised to become a freemason.
in my younger days, trying to sell in certain oilfield territories[west texas, oklahoma, northern louisiana, california] i encountered a lot of discouraging responses to my efforts. i couldn't figure it out. and then one afternoon, i was calling on a superintendent of a gas plant in crane, texas. who had taken a liking to me. he asked me how i was doing. not very well i replied. i told him that i seemed to be unable to convert the success of my products at his plant to other entities of his company. and this was his response....
you know, i am not a member of the lodge. but almost every other superintendent is. you would change your luck by becoming a mason.
this left me speechless. though i had belonged to exclusive clubs[a status i eventually repudiated], i had never been a member of a semi-secret society. and philosophically, i had no desire to do that to make a buck.
but, i recalled that my grandfather, very connected in ohio politics, had been a grand pajandrum in that lodge. and had bequeathed me his grand pajandrum ring.
so, i decided to see if that evidence of freemasonry made any difference in my selling capabilities. i took to wearing that ring. ka-ching. it was too crazy. it also was the worst thing that could have happened to me as it confirmed the everyday operation of conspiracies.
i eventually stopped wearing the ring. i had learned what i did not really want to learn.
but, my observations of secret societies was not suspended.
for the sake of brevity, i observed that 20th century freemasonry appeared to have adopted totalitarian/gangster objectives.
the most startling illustration of that was[is] the italian freemasonic lodge known as propaganda due[P2]. whose grandmaster was licio gelli.
this lodge was the tear in the fabric of operation gladio. the nato program of false flag ops throughout europe [perhaps elsewhere]. nato's creation/nurturing of "terrorists".
it was also the tear in the fabric of the vatican's investment in global narcotics trafficking/international gangsterism.
is that the NWO involvement you were interested in?
but, let's go deeper into freemasonry. i think that there are virtually undiscussed TEMPLAR lodges. and personally, i think that the skull & bones at yale is such a lodge.
this is a crusaders lodge. in an odd sense, its relationship to zionism revolves upon its creation of a central banking system. which was eventually adopted by the preeminent advocates of perpetual warfare, zionism, the rothschild family.
i think that the revealing portrait of the usg[congress and executive branch] is who are the jews. who are the freemasons.
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