On Zionism Options

[Sanders]

Israel is engaged in, what I consider, genocide in slow motion in the Gaza Strip. They just want to be rid of the Palestinians - however.

The US government has been practically overtaken by Zionists or politicians sympathetic to the Zionist cause. Many of our "leaders" hold dual-citizenship. It appears that support of the Israeli-Zionist cause is a pre-condition for electablity. After a couple of decades of hard work, that's how much influence Israel now wields.

The US media is, at the top, for the most part, run by Zionists. The illusion of a "free-press" is barely sustained - don't expect any fair or balanced news from the media.

The banking cartel that runs the world is not Jewish - it is half Jewish. The Jewish part, the Rothschilds and the Warburgs, are based in England and Europe. The American half of the equation is far more convoluted ... the Rothschilds and the Warburgs have held on to their stock privately - the Rockefeller and Morgan (gentile) banks in the US though (JP MorganChase, Citibank) are publicly owned, so without a torturous exploration into the stockholding companies of those banks, it is impossible to say how "Jewish" they are or aren't.

I continue to hold that it is more about money and less about religion ... and that Israel's influence over the US government is Israeli-driven. It may be partially banker-driven as well, I don't know, but, since I doubt that the banking families involved give a flying-hoot about the Jewish "cause", I assume their motivations are more material. If those motivations are deeper (more religious) in nature, then they are interested in the WHOLE REGION - from Gaza to Basra - for that is the ancient home of (as they perceive?) themselves and civilization itself.

I'm going to jump around - don't expect any rhyme or reason - there is none.

The Rothschilds resisted backing the Zionist movement at it's inception. As the first world war was raging Baron Rothschild suggested to Theodor Hertzel (founder of the Zionist movement) that he (Herzel) found his proposed Jewish state in Uganda. (!) They (the Rothschild family) were initially not very interested, Hertzel's ideas sounded "too jewish" to the Rothshilds - that's a quote. ... but they finally came around.

Edmund Rothschild was the first to create settlements in Palestine, they were wine-making settlements, he was from the French House - winemakers. He (Edmund) fought to keep Hertzl's power in Palestine in check until his death. There were a couple of other motivating factors at work that drew the Rothschilds into Palestine, one was the mineral riches present in the Dead Sea - 3 TRILLION worth of magnesium and other metals.

The Balfour Declaration did in fact promise a chunk of land to the Zionist movement THROUGH Lionel Rothschild, via a letter from Author Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, in 1917. There is a good reason why this letter was addressed to Lionel Rothshild, the Turks (Ottoman Empire) who lost WWI, were heavily indebted to the Rothschilds.

The Rothschilds, like most European Jews, are descended from Khazars - which was a huge empire which peaked a thousand years ago in the steppes north of the Caspian and Black seas. Many will tell you that these Jews have no blood-connection to Palestine.

However, the northern tribes were allegedly carted off into northern Mesopotamia (now Syria), and most likely, given the strife that was going on at the time in that area, probably migrated north, through the Caucasus into the lands which would become Khazaria - which would help explain why the Empire of Khazaria converted en-mass to Judaeism.

So, the argument that European Jews have no connection to Israel because they are Khazars, doesn't really hold water if you dig into the history.

Then again, the Bible tended to exaggerate - there were never that many Jews in Palestine. And furthermore, the Palestinians (Philistines) were/are Semites - descended from Shem ... the Khazar Jews are mostly (by blood percentage) descended from Japeth, being of the Black Sea - Caspian Sea region - there had to be some mixing of blood over those hundreds of years ... so, anti-Jewish speech should really be labeled 'anti-Japethism' - no? But all of us European-American rooted people are, as per the Bible, Japithites too, so aren't we all the same?

When you hear the word "anti-semite" spewed, know that the Palestinians are more correctly "Semites" than European based Jews. With the above moderating factors.

So to summarize, up is down, Bush's grandfather helped finance Hitler, practically everything we have been told is "spin", the Palestinians are correctly Semites, the Jews are more correctly Japethites, the Rothschilds resisted supporting Hertzel and his Zionist movement, half of the banking families who "rule the world" are not Jewish, hence, the argument that it's all a "Jewish plot" leaves much to be desired.

It's so funny to me. (Funny, but tragically serious.) People seem to have a hard time separating Judaeism from Zionism. I'm trying to look behind Zionism - to the root of where the line between Judaeism and Zionism is intentionally blurred.

Do you not see how complicated this all is, and how many interpretations are possible?

Only one thing is for certain - Israel wields undue and excessive influence in the US government. But we deserve it - as Jefferson said, the price of libery is eternal vigilance. America has not been vigilant.

So, we have have a government and a media beside it bought and paid for by Israel, who receives all that cash back in foreign aid.

"Good work if you can get it".

Behold the fruits of your unwakefulness, America, children with their arms blown off in Gaza, a million civilians dead in Iraq - and who knows what horrors the use of depleted uranium in Iraq, or DIME weapons in Gaza, will result in.

I just don't know what to say anymore.

[dMz]

Sweet DNA image lunk! I've seen that poster before, I think at university.

More links on DNA and chemical modeling:

http://personal.cscs.ch/~mvalle/ChemViz/re...ions/index.html

http://personal.cscs.ch/~mvalle/ChemViz/re...ions/color.html

http://www.freebase.com/view/en/dna

DNA Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=7955

EDIT: I've been going to suggest that Sanders do an outline for all this "Dragon Thread" business for some time now, but much like "folded," intertwined strands of DNA, how would one organize it? Where to start, or end? I concluded that these shadowy "strands" don't lend themselves to linear or modular outlines FWIW... What is this Sanders, going on 2 years of research into this now?

[Sanders]

<DNA images> Notice any similarity? ... I don't think this can be a coincidence...

After all, a scion is a graft (or clone) from a tree.
(sounds like sion, a variant of Zion)

Wow. It's freakier than that, because I think it's really the other way around, Zion is a variant of Sion (!). Mt. Sion is another name for Mt. Hermon - same derivative as Hermes - and the Caduceus is of course the Staff of Hermes. I don't know - to imagine that the ancient rulers of Greece understood the structure the DNA is ... hard to fathom.

Where to start, or end? I concluded that these shadowy "strands" don't lend themselves to linear or modular outlines FWIW... What is this Sanders, going on 2 years of research into this now?

Off and on. Where to start is easy - you start with the myth of Cadmus, and his wife Harmonia, and the dragon he slew in Greece, and the Spartans which grew from the teeth he planted in the ground, and then link Harmonia's name to Hermes and Armenia, and why, and go from there, backwards and forwards. I'll bet if someone really understood all this and understood all of the Greek Myths, the story has already been told. Unfotunately it's been locked up in that "coded" form from general humanity.

There's a whole can of worms regarding the Hohens of Flanders and Germany, Margraves of Brandenburg, the Wettins & Wittelsbachs, Dukes of Babenberg (who, according to Wikipedia were descended from Byzantine emperors and all took Greek wives!!!), basically the way various houses fought and married in and around Bavaria (roughly during the crusading era), which, apparently someone in "the know" thought would be fun to base a children's cartoon on. 'The Flinstones' was born - Fred Flinstone represents Frederick it seems, Fred and Wilma the Hohens of Flanders (hence Flinstone?), Betty and Barney the houses of Witten and Brunswick, Bambam the Dukes of Babenberg (of Bamberg)???.... I think I got all that right. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif) The family crests and the colors of the costumes in the cartoon all seem to match. This is another 'Ladon-Gog' discovery, not mine. (He talks about it in little bits in various chapters of his book, some of it is discussed at the end of part I here - http://www.tribwatch.com/SingleFile.htm .)

The problem is, I don't feel like I really understand all this stuff. It's too complicated, and I'm too weak on the fine points of Greek and medieval history - not to mention that the important parts seem to have been intentionally concealed. BUT, the discovery I mentioned above, that members of two very well connected elite families - the Russells and the Drummonds - were both involved in the formulation of the Rapture doctrine, tells me what I've long suspected, that the real reason for the founding of Israel was never the creation of a homeland for the Jews. Heaven knows, if the Crusading Knights felt common cause with the Jews of Palestine, they wouldn't have slaughtered them all when they took Jerusalem. The unfortunate Jews there didn't just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, survivors retreated to their synagogues where they were burned alive. Yet I can see how a Gnostic/pagan-oriented elite, evolved from ancient roots which struggled for power with the Church of Rome, is connected at the hip to (vaguely defined) Hebrew peoples who's influence from Egypt to Scythia in ancient times cannot be denied (I forgot to mention earlier that Iberia - both the Caucasus kingdom and the Spanish peninsula, Habiru - of Egypt, some other "Eber" derived names, and 'Hebrew' are likely all of shared origin) ... and, I can see all the connections between the people who run the United States (and especially the architects of the SYSTEM by which it is ruled) and pirates, drug-runners, Freemasons and Templar bankers ... but I really don't know the real reason why dominance of the Holy Land is so important to these people. Is it so obvious that I can't see it??

If someone out there knows, blurt it out! I'd love to know!

[dMz]

The problem is, I don't feel like I really understand all this stuff. It's too complicated, and I'm too weak on the fine points of Greek and medieval history - not to mention that the important parts seem

... and, I can see all the connections between the people who run the United States (and especially the architects of the SYSTEM by which it is ruled) and pirates, drug-runners, Freemasons and Templar bankers ... but I really don't know the real reason why dominance of the Holy Land is so important to these people. Is it so obvious that I can't see it??

If someone out there knows, blurt it out! I'd love to know!

I think that much of the confusion comes from the Roman habit of "assimilating" the local religions and customs as conquered regions fell to the Roman Empire. Of course much of the pagan belief systems was eventually co-mingled in with the "Holy Roman" church, leading to the inconsistent, confusing "occulted" mess we have today. Very little "history" remains about the Essenes (and opinions vary considerably on who or what "Jesus" was), but I think this would be an important piece of the puzzle that has been missing for centuries/millenia. We have already mentioned that fire at Alexandria somewhere (and that library could have held much missing "history" IMHO).

http://www.bede.org.uk/library.htm

There has clearly been much "romanticized" history regarding the Crusaders, various Knights, etc. (I have since learned that many of the "Knights" were actually strongarm thugs used by the various nobles to keep the serfs in line and to extort taxes/fealty, and the Samurai were essentially the same thing in Japan, leading up to Yakuza today). I expect that the Chinese Dynasties were "enforced" in a similar manner, leading to the Tongs, Triads, and other gangs that we see today.

I don't think we have been told much or very accurate information of the true nature of the Crusades (and I think we may have another one occuring today in the Middle East). Then of course, the Middle East was controlled by Salahudin/the Caliphate and then the Ottoman Turk and Byzantine Empires for centuries. It would appear that the Inquisition wiped out a considerable chunk of "history" (in Europe at least, at about this time frame).

On the "Holy Land" thing, I have read that certain groups believe that the Dome of the Rock Mosque must be destroyed in order to rebuild "the temple" for whatever motivations they have for all that business, and the old Babylon (Iraq) seems to hold unknown significance to the neo-Anglo-American empire... I wonder exactly what was recently looted from Saddam's palaces and museums... This certainly seems consistent with the Bushite behavior of the last 18 years or so. Those oil pipelines and contracts are a "convenient" Hallibortion bonus, too.

Again, Jim Marrs' Rule by Secrecy is an excellent book on this intertwined "early" religion business. I recall Picknett & Prince's The Stargate Conspiracy having some relevant chapters (I believe that O892 has read it since I have, but it was an interesting "pre-millenium" book on how Egypt relates to all this).

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/stargate/stargate07.htm

One of the most interesting things to me is how many sizable portions of human history are just "missing" now from various times and various cultures, going back through all of "known" history.