Heliport Air Traffic Controller Sean Boger, new 15 minute short released
Feb 4 2009, 03:16 AM
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Sean Boger's north side account is absolutely critical due to his expert witness status as an ATC as well as his unique location and perspective from the heliport tower.
We featured his account in Part 2 of "The North Side Flyover" but this new 15 minute short will help bring more attention to this obviously important account.
Watch the new short here:
Approximate vantage from heliport tower:
Our recorded phone interview with Sean was very revealing as he even goes so far as to argue with us about the accuracy of the security video!
To him the plane did NOT appear low and level like that and he even thought that the pilot was "struggling to keep control of the aircraft".
Since Sean also describes the "right" bank or tilt just like the Arlington Cemetery witnesses so we know that what he is describing matches perfectly with the relatively slow right banking flyover to the south parking where Pentagon police officer Roosevelt Roberts Jr saw it flying away immediately AFTER the explosion.
Feb 12 2009, 08:45 AM
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Now that certain individuals have "bet the farm" as it were on "Boger saw it hit the building," it is interesting to observe the "angular momentum" currently at ATS. I expect more r x p to follow.
I see 2 paragraphs from the Army Center for Military History interview NEIT299 (On Nov. 14, 2001) being proffered as "proof." Interestingly enough, this is a 27-page .PDF of that interview, very worth reading in entirety rather than selectively. Much that is in there is very close to verbatim from the 15-minute short above. I'll let CIT decide if/how to link the original, but searching for the filename "neit299.pdf" may pan out.
Some excerpts, from my transcription of the document:
p.7 [of 27]
"[W(itness):]...And that's pretty much how we do our day, you know. If it is kind of slow, and we don't have anything to do, and we are not talking to anyone, and so we just turn on the television and watch something like the news, or Maury Popovich, or something.
So that particular day, you know, we were just watching the news and we saw the first World Trade Center get hit, and when the plane flew into the first World Trade Center, and we were just looking at it and we were thinking that must be a dumb pilot. How can someone fly into a building. And as we were watching it, we see the second plane fly into the other building...."
"[W:] But when the second plane flew into the building, we were thinking that maybe that is just a reenactment of the first one, because we didn't actually see the first one. We just saw the flames coming from it. So we thought maybe they are just showing footage of that plane actually going through the building.
Then you hear the news anchor saying that we are watching history unfold, and so when they said history, and that a second plane had flown into the second World Trade Center...."
[W:]"... So we were watching the news, and we see him in Florida talking to the elementary kids, and you see one of his guys come up and whisper something into his ear, probably telling him about the attacks at the World Trade Center.
And so I am thinking to myself, okay, with this happening, he is probably going to come back in earlier. So I will just wait and take my clothes to the cleaners after he leaves.
[W:] And [REDACTED] and I were talking, and I was like, you know, I'm surprised that nobody has ever flown into the Pentagon, and I am not even talking about terrorists. I am just saying that Washington's airport is right on the other side of the Pentagon, and she said that you have been saying that for 3 years...."
"[W:] ...And I am not even saying terrorists. I am just saying about aircraft that makes a mistake and actually flies into the building, because it is so close to the Pentagon.
[W:] I mean, you can look up every day and you can actually see the landing gear on the aircraft. You can read the numbers on the aircraft and so it is that close. And she said you have been saying that for like 3 years.
And she said I will be back. I am going to the restroom. She said keep your eyes on the planes. And she was just joking, you know. And she was down there for like 5 minutes.
And I was just looking out the window and just looking out at the ground to see if everything was okay, because I knew that my boss was coming back up there that day, and I knew that because the planes had hit the World Trace Center that the DPS guys at the Pentagon were going to shut down everything. ..."
p.11 has the "debunkers' " favorite quote:
"[W:] ... And so I am looking out at the road, and I see the traffic has liked stop, and I look out the window and I just hear a -- I just see like the nose and the wing of an aircraft just like coming right at us, and he didn't veer.
And then you just heard the noise, and then he just smacked into the building, and when it hit the building, I am watching the plane go all the way into the building.
[I:] Oh, my gosh.
[W:] So once the plane went into the building, it exploded, and once it exploded, I hit the floor and just covered up my head. It was like glass shattering and ceiling tile was falling, and --"
[I:] It is amazing that you reacted that quickly.
[W:] I know, and I think that a lot of it had to do with the actual impact of that plane, because when it exploded, it kind of shook our building. So it shook our building, and from there --
[I:] And you went down anyway. ..."
"[W:] Yes, instinct, and I hit the ground, because you know we are surrounded by glass. So when something explodes like that, glass is going to be the first thing to shatter. And, you know, it was dark, and like all the lights were out. So we had like the alarm system was just blinking, and you could see the flashing light and it was blinking. And with the glass and all kinds of stuff was just like on the floor. So I tried to get out of the building and went to pull on the door, and the door was kind of shut, and so I just kept pulling on it.
And I looked down the hallway, and the hallway was like completely dark, and we just had a staircase and three levels of stairs. And the ceiling tile, and fixtures from the lights and all of that was falling like in the middle of the stairs.
The railings had collapsed, and all this stuff, and it was just like smoke, and so I am trying to get out of there. ..."
p.19 has some information that I hadn't heard before:
"[W:] ... Right. And so we get over there and then they come over there and they treat us. But we are on flight status, and we are air traffic controllers, and so we still have to be cleared by a flight surgeon.
So they gave us the stuff, and they wrapped us up, and the next day we went to the Flight Surgeon's Office. But that particular day, it was like a psychologist, and she was -- I don't know if she was part of FEMA or who she was a part of, but she was out there.
And she was pretty much just walking with us the whole time. So she asked us if we wanted her to take us to her office in Arlington, and I'm thinking, no, I've had enough for the day. I want to go home. So we ended up walking back to her car, and she took us home. Well, she tried to take us home. The traffic was so bad that we pulled over and we ent inside this hotel, and they took care of us. They fed us, and --
[I:] Oh, really?
[W:] Yes. They offered us a room.
[I:] Was it others who came to that area?
[W:] I don't really think so. I would say that I think we might have been the only ones that were actually injured, but as soon as we got there, it was like what do you guys need.
[I:] What hotel was it? Do you remember? It is not important. ..."
"[W:] ... You know, the thing that is weird about this is that we worked -- my wife is at the airport right behind us, and so every day we see these guys flying in and out of there.
But sometimes -- because at the Pentagon, we don't have any airspace. The airspace belongs to Washington Airport. So sometimes guys that aren't coming into the Pentagon won't talk to us. They are still talking to Washington, and they are just flying past.
[W:] So we would actually be sitting up there and working and hear a helicopter fly past, and we look at, and we say okay, that guy is talking to Washington.
But this particular day, we heard something. We heard a roooooooah, and so [REDACTED] was like what was that, and we both looked out the window, but we didn't see anything.
And that was the airplane, and he had flown past us, but we didn't see him, but we heard it. And so had we had seen that aircraft sooner or maybe realized how low he was, we could have probably called Washington and asked them if they were talking to him, and I don't know if we would have had enough time to do that.
[I:] You probably wouldn't have. it was probably too late after that. ..."
"[W:] But still we heard it, you know, but the things that I think about on that particular day was just that the aircraft, and the flames, and the fuel on fire. ..."
[bold empasis mine]
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