Do It Yourself; Solar Panels, Hho Cars, Etc, Who is testing the waters? Options

[Wingmaster05]

I have an HHO manual on the way; my ebay supplier is actually on the hot seat for the delay so far.

The HHO addition provides only better fuel efficiency now, although the inventor suggested it would be doable to run on water with some electro-additives in the future.


Has anyone attempted things such as this? You'll note the similarities between the two options of solar panels and HHO cars. There are a bloom of mini businesses springing up around independent living styles. These websites tout their experience in these very recent fields. Some provide expensive information, others are surprisingly cheap.

This could be FANTASTIC way to spread worthwhile actions to help yourself become less dependent on the crumbling system we see before us.

My family is now interested in the solar panel option. I'm willing to try it out once I am back home.

Any thoughts?


http://www.buildsolarpanels.net/home.php?i...WID=87641393513

http://www.thehhocar.com/

[GroundPounder]

solar panels can definitely be built for ~$2.00/watt (which ain't bad imho)

you still have the inverter and batteries expense, but the way the electric rates have been creeping up (in my area at least), it is/has been time to start looking for alternatives

[dMz]

My step-brother about blew his eardrums out experimenting with H₂/HHO a few months ago. The velocity of H₂ detonation is roughly 10 times that of gasoline vapor, so your ignition timing will change considerably WM05. The modifications are much easier on the old carbureted vehicles as I understand it.

The hydrogen speeds up ignition to the point where you want to fire very near Top Dead Center (TDC) instead of the typical 6-10 degrees before (which is altitude dependent), and this isn't so easy to adjust on the new computer-controlled ignitions.

Currently, getting enough HHO electrolyzed to feed an engine at more than an idle is a problem, but I have read that many of the larger trucks in China are equipped with HHO boosters for power and emissions benefits. Hydrogen cleans the exhaust very well, often better than the Federally-mandated "stock" devices on automobiles. Some of the hydrogen vehicle exhaust streams have tested "cleaner" than the incoming airflow.

Roy MacAlister is your guy on hydrogen fuels- he was a professor of engineering at ASU and has done some kind of MIIC-type work for the US Government IIRC.

http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/hydrogeninjection.html

I highly recommend Roy's book The Solar Hydrogen Civilization, and he also has a couple of DVD's out now. Roy hasn't bought gasoline or diesel in nearly 20 years (his multi-fuel Geo Metro runs on turpines produced from waste citrus fruit in his home state of AZ).

http://www.knowledgepublications.com/gw3h2...ivilization.htm

Some of the books on that page above have long ago become public domain, but it is difficult to find many of those titles anywhere else.

EDIT: I will probably move this thread to Global Perspectives in a few days when it starts dropping "off page" WM05.

EDIT2: Give this page a look WM05:

http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Fuel_E...ternative_Fuels

[GroundPounder]

you could also probably triple your gas mileage if you could manage to 'scrub' the air going into the carb of all the nitrogen

[Lasthorseman]

There are now thousands of people working on this. From the ad I see the device itself is perhaps functional but primitive. There are also special electronic drivers to lower the current draw in water electrolysis. This overheats the cells. Distilled water only. Anything less and brown sludge will foul the stainless steel electrodes. More keywords Stanley Meyer, Browns gas pulser and even something call the Joe Cell. Even if you never get the thing built you will have a science project for your kid's next fair. You will yack though once you see what is in tap water.

[bill]

Bendini motor

[Wingmaster05]

Thanks for the responses, i went AWOL for a bit there.

Great links and thoughts Dmole. I got Ray's info bookmarked for this summer; the full title of his book is more appealing (and demonstrates gravity of the issue here)... "The Solar Hydrogen Civilization: The Future of Energy Is the Future of Our Global Economy". Simple, yet profoundly true.

My uncle is a gear head, I really hope he jumps on board with the idea of getting active in creating the future.

[Wingmaster05]

Bendini motor

I like posts like thisbecause it forces people like me to actually look into it!

This rabbit hole needs more digging, by more diggers.

[lunk]

Do it yourself, solar hot water system:

http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a...r-water-heater/

Efficiency Calculation

The collector area is about 1.4 m2. Energy available from sunlight is about 1000 W/m2. Therefore the panel receives about 1400 W of incoming power when aimed directly towards the sun. The efficiency is simply the power actually extracted divided by the power available.

Efficiency = 530 Watts / 1400 Watts = 0.378 or 38%.

This is quite comparable to commercially available solar collectors. However, I’m doing this in my back yard with uninsulated hoses, a non-air tight panel, a single plastic pane that’s slightly opaque, an open topped tank and no pump. The fact that I can achieve commercial level efficiencies with this setup is a testament to the design and indicates there is plenty of room for improvement in the industry.

...sweet!

imo, lunk