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http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Wiki_Disinformation

Wikipedia Displays Blatant Disinformation Once Again
Flight Data Recorder Analysis

03/19/09 - Wikipedia, a primary on-line resource for diverse information, allows anyone to edit their 'wiki' pages. Many are aware through articles published by Reuters and other news organizations[1] that Wiki is a haven for intelligence agencies who also use it as a means of distributing false and misleading information. Recently it has come to our attention that an edit was made to the "9/11 Conspiracies" page containing factual errors and disinformation regarding Flight Data Recorder (FDR) analysis.

The original entry is as follows:

A June 2007 video, attributed to researcher Calum Douglas of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, presents an analysis of alleged Flight 77 black box data,[141] said to have been obtained from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) under a Freedom of Information Act petition. It states that the approach path and altitude on the Flight Path Animation differs from the mainstream account of the path of Flight 77.
The updated edit and disinformation is as follows:

However, this is likely due to the fact that the NTSB animation which has been released is a working copy, in which the post-added animation is incorrectly calibrated to end the animation at the moment the plane hits the Pentagon. Similarly, the last piece of data from the FDR for United Airlines Flight 93 ends 4 seconds before the plane crashed into the ground, when it was still at an altitude of 2,182 feet.[142] A paper written by NASA scientist Ryan Mackey on Flight 77's FDR data suggests that the last piece of data from the FDR was likely from approximately 4 seconds before the aircraft struck the Pentagon, explaining why the last piece of data on the FDR shows the plane at an altitude of 180 feet, even though the NTSB concluded that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon about 6 feet above the ground at a descent rate of about 39 feet per second.[143] In June 2007, the National Transportation Safety Board stated regarding the inconsistency between the FDR data and the reconstructed working animation that, "This working copy was never used for an official purpose; instead, the Safety Board is notifying all recipients of this animation that the record includes an erroneous annotation."[144]
The editor begins the wiki entry with pure speculation as defined by the words, "...this is likely due to...". The editor also fails to acknowledge that the NTSB has released more than an animation. The NTSB have also released CSV files of data and a NTSB Flight Path Study. Neither of which the NTSB contends are "working copies" and both show the aircraft at an altitude too high to hit the light poles and Pentagon. The Wiki editor also conveniently omits pertinent facts when quoting "an erroneous annotation". The reason the NTSB added the disclaimer of "working copy" to their animation is not due to "missing seconds" as deceptively intended by the Wiki editor, the disclaimer is due to an error in their clock annotation which was erroneously labeled as "EDT" instead of "UTC". The NTSB also states their goal is to send the "most complete, accurate information possible" when distributing data through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA). The NTSB does not account for, nor claim, any "missing seconds" from their data provided through the FOIA. Positional Data and plot as provided by the NTSB confirms the fact that there aren't any seconds missing from the NTSB plotted and provided data west of the Pentagon wall. Further inquiry with the Flight Data Recorder manufacturer as explained and recorded in Calum Douglas' presentation referenced above, is further confirmation that such FDR's cannot be missing more than 0.5 seconds. Also, in a poor attempt to set precedent, the anonymous Wiki editor references United 93 Flight Data Recorder for comparison to American 77 FDR explaining that UA93 data stops at 2,182 feet and therefore is also missing 4 seconds of data. However, according to the UA93 data provided by the NTSB, the vertical descent rate is exceeding 1,000 feet per second for the last second of data. If the data were missing 4 seconds as claimed by the anonymous Wiki editor, the data would have stopped near 6,000 feet, not 2,182. The wiki editor fails to understand that, when corrected for local barometric pressure, 2,182 is the ground elevation of the field in Shanksville where UA93 was alleged to have crashed. Anyone with Google Earth can cross check this for themselves. Although there are many other issues with UA93 events as provided by the NTSB FDR data, neither AA77 or UA93 data are "missing [any] seconds".

The editor goes on to source a third party internet forum post as a "paper" and attributes this to the NTSB by stating, "..even though the NTSB concluded that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon about 6 feet above the ground at a descent rate of about 39 feet per second...". The NTSB makes no such conclusion and is further proof the anonymous wiki editor prefers blatant disinformation over actual source. The third party forum post was written based on a hypothetical scenario in response to Pilots For 9/11 Truth Arlington Topography and Obstacles article, it is not consistent with any flight data whatsoever, and is certainly not from the NTSB as claimed by the anonymous wiki disinformation editor.

For further references on debunking the disinformation regarding FDR analysis and other topics, please visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=7163.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/join to join.

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post Mar 19 2009, 06:52 PM
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WOW. F------ sickening. It is that skank Aude. She is a DoJ employee and Kryptos/debunk911myths(from the govt loyalist site) of the same site name.

Forget about writing to them...

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?s...ic=263&st=0

Call them...

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post Mar 19 2009, 07:33 PM
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Digg it...

http://digg.com/politics/9_11_Flight_Recor...Disinformation#
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Article hits RawStory..

http://www.rawstory.com/


Hits are going through the roof! Yeah baby!
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The above article also sent to ALPA, NTSB and L3 Communications.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/wikipedia-disp...once-again.html
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wiki has been doing that kind of thing for years...they need to be taken w/ a grain of salt, and on matters of controversy, not to be trusted at all.
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Excellent work and great news on this info getting out there pilotfly.gif thumbsup.gif cheers.gif
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QUOTE (Aldo Marquis CIT @ Mar 19 2009, 04:52 PM) *
It is that skank Aude. She is a DoJ employee and Kryptos/debunk911myths(from the govt loyalist site) of the same site name.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dojorg.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/jmd/mps/manual/orgcharts/dojorg.jpg


http://www.usdoj.gov/02organizations/02_2.html
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Not sure who "Aude" is, but i think it was "RKOwens" who made the edit on wiki. Looks like he is a 23 year old kid who doesnt have many friends.



Someone may want to inform little Ryan that 2,182 feet is almost 300 feet under ground at the "crash site" in Shanksville.. laughing1.gif
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Great article!

I don't think RKOwens is Aude though.

facilitatetruth started putting some pressure on them about us a while back and 22205 dug up some info on Aude:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=263
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this is the edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=208006435





this is the guy who changed it:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SheffieldSteel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SheffieldSteel
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...=SheffieldSteel
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...;action=history


random quote (by him):
http://unauthorized link.com/db84r7

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After reading the media and ciriticism sections, one could be forgiven for concluding that the US government is the greatest beneficiary of the popularity of 9/11 conspiracy theories. The willingness to entertain fanciful notions and to question anything, no matter how trivial, serve to distract from the more sober questions of incompetence and responsibility that might otherwise be levelled at the administration. Does anyone know of any sources that make such claims? Sheffield Steeltalkstalk 19:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...piracy_theories

QUOTE (jerfer & dept. of justice employee & wiki Admin/Editor)
Statement by Aude:

This is not just a content dispute, but behavior from some editors on 9/11 pages has been disruptive with edit warring against consensus and tendentious editing. For example, edit warring by User:Xiutwel in the latest round led to full protection of the September 11, 2001 attacks article: [1] [2] (here he recognizes "no consensus" but edits anyway) [3] [4] [5]. This was a WP:3RR violation, but he was not blocked or reported at the time. He reverted one more time after he saw a warning left on the article talk page. User:Wowest has also been involved, with tendentious editing behavior. [6] [7] It would help if ArbCom could look at behavior of individual editors. Not all have been disruptive, but with Xiutwel, this has been going on for 2+ years (starting out with Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy theories). It gets very tiresome to stay involved on the 9/11 talk pages and wears people out. I like to do other things on Wikipedia with what time I have, and the 9/11 talk pages take away from that. Some of these other editors are here for a single purpose on 9/11 pages. Also, where does Wikipedia stand when it comes to tendentious editing and WP:FRINGE? --Aude (talk) 12:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


please check out the link (above) for more information/context.

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ok.. thanks Paranoia...

I got my source from dMole here...

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10768090

Try to hash it out guys... i dont know much about editing at wiki (last thing i need is another page to monitor)... all i know is someone edited the page with blatant disinfo.

If it wasnt rkowens.. i suppose i owe him an apology for posting the above information.

Let me know.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=229124633

"Revision as of 23:47, 31 July 2008 RKOwens4 "
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...target=RKOwens4

Also they aren't "cockpit recorders"- it would be a Solid State Flight Data Recorder (SSFDR) in the "AA77" case, and it is actually located in the airplane's tail section.
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/9-11-Flig...090319-427.html
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thanks dmole, i stand corrected. i searched/compared all the edits leading up to the rkowens edit you linked to, and you are right - he was the first to post that passage about mackey (and dismiss douglas/p4t's research).

in the case of what i posted about SheffieldSteel's edit, i was correct that he had indeed put the mackey section back into the page (after someone had removed it), but SS was NOT the first guy to post it, rk was.

sorry about the mix up.
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rob i dont know if you clicked the link aldo/craig posted, but if you check it out you will find that this wiki admin "aude" has (almost) single-handedly choked all possible truth from the wiki flight 77 page by repeatedly purging any information non-GL's have tried to post on it. aside from being a wiki admin and devout jerfer, she is also under the employ of the US DOJ, which (added to her other obvious biases) should bring in to question her neutrality (which is something wiki pretends to pride itself in).

regarding the wiki controversy, that arbitration link i posted shows how truth was labled as conspiracy theory and over-ruled by a GL wiki majority, which in turn means they will continue to keep truth, like that uncovered and analyzed by P4T or CIT, from seeing mass-scale public eyes on wiki's pages.


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since "Sheffield Steel" took it upon himself to re-enter that RK's lies back into the wiki page, and because he is part of a tyrannical group of admins wielding their GL bias over the wiki 9/11 pages, i would like to include a bit more background info about him:


GL'ist "Kryptos" (aka kmf164/Aude at Wiki, aka K.M.F. in real life and at the Dept. of Justice) was 81st to support Sheffield's nomination for ADMIN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req.../SheffieldSteel
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81. Support - I have full confidence that SheffieldSteel will be a good admin. --Aude (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)




about him (according to someone else):
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...ost&p=28378
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Just in case this is possible, the article says "all of the primary proponents" of the ID movement are associated with the Discovery Institute, and Mr. Chahax tried to change that to "some," and this was contested by User:SheffieldSteel on the basis of prior talk-page negotiations. (SheffieldSteel's user page currently displays and "ID Sandbox" section whose first sentence reads, "Intelligent design is a concept put forward by the Discovery Institute as a challenge to the scientific theory of evolution," so you know where he's coming from...)



a wiki user with a gripe against him:
http://unauthorized link.com/cs278d
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I thought that you should know that your name is included on what appears to be a personal "hit list" of admin SheffieldSteel's. My name is also included on this inappropriate list. As far as I'm concerned, that list has got to go and the admin in question forced to resign. Caden S (talk) 06:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)



who is "Sheffield Steel"?

on his wiki user page he shares that he is into fish and lives in durham nc.
using that info i did some looking and here is what i found:


http://wetwebfotos.com/Home?actionRequest=...mp;userID=14177



(note that above he states he is a "game programmer")


more of his posts at that (fish-related) site:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=s...mp;aq=f&oq=



there 2 tim randalls in durham nc, both in the computer field, but this one is a game programmer:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/a/50b/81

Senior Programmer at Vicious Cycle Software Inc ( http://www.viciouscycleinc.com/ )
Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina Area
Senior Programmer
Vicious Cycle Software Inc
(Computer Games industry)
Currently holds this position

Programmer
Gremlin Interactive ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlin_Interactive )
(Computer Games industry)
1992 2002 (10 years)

*note about Gremlin Interactive: they were based out of Sheffield England.


mr.randall was one of the creators of the Marvel Trading Card Game:
http://unauthorized link.com/cq3szf


other games to his credit:
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/v...veloperId,5211/



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about rk:

hey - im curious, was rkowens ever registered here? was his ip from the USA? i had always suspected that rk was a european, most likely posting from england (pm me if you are curious as to why). now obviously im not asking you to divulge his actual ip, but i would doublecheck and compare that before officially alluding to that kid (from the myspace page) as the RKowens of duhbunker fame. i maybe wrong, but the duhbunker rk's syntax and overall context seems to be more mature and educated (tho still full of GL bullshhit) than some young kid's, so im not sure if the myspace kid is the right guy. plus rk the dubunker must know that he isnt very well liked and that he is sought after by those looking to expose him, so i doubt he would register his face and info anywhere under that name.

dunno.gif



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Thanks for hashing this out guys. Its good to make sure. I guess there wont be an apology after all.


QUOTE (paranoia @ Mar 23 2009, 06:57 PM) *
about rk:

hey - im curious, was rkowens ever registered here? was his ip from the USA? i had always suspected that rk was a european, most likely posting from england (pm me if you are curious as to why). now obviously im not asking you to divulge his actual ip, but i would doublecheck and compare that before officially alluding to that kid (from the myspace page) as the RKowens of duhbunker fame. i maybe wrong, but the duhbunker rk's syntax and overall context seems to be more mature and educated (tho still full of GL bullshhit) than some young kid's, so im not sure if the myspace kid is the right guy. plus rk the dubunker must know that he isnt very well liked and that he is sought after by those looking to expose him, so i doubt he would register his face and info anywhere under that name.


rkowens YT channel states he is a 23 yr old from Louisiana, same on his myspace page. The only difference is that one says "Baton Rouge", the other "New Orleans". The one with "Baton Rouge" could be due to an edit during Katrina?

What are the odds of two 23 yr old rkowens living in the same state, let alone the next city over...?

Im pretty confident its the same kid. Unless he lied on his YT channel page.

I suppose the only way to find out 100% is send rkowens a link to this thread through his YT page? i let one of you do the honors... smile.gif

I looked through the admin cp, there isnt any rkowen* registered here. Typical of GL's who post crap elsewhere.
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thanks for that info rob. im a little surprised that rk would use his duhbunker moniker for his myspace page, so either its an intentional false trail he put there, or rk is indeed some (fairly) young kid from the bayou, which if true, i would actually find rather surprising. but i guess sheep can come in all shapes ages and sizes and ignorance doesnt discriminate.

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