Madeline Sweeney's Phone Call, Something strange Options

[Beached]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....ichael_woodward

I was researching the call allegedly made by Madeline Sweeney to American Airlines flight services and noticed something very strange. She witnesses the hijackers storming the cockpit at least seven minutes after radio contact with AA11 is lost. According to the following report by the Los Angeles Times, Sweeney was relaying the details of the men as they stormed the cockpit.

http://www.webcom.com/hrin/magazine/la-watchlist.html

However, the first call she attempts to make is at 8:21am, which is three minutes after Betty Ong places her call claiming that the cockpit is not responding or answering their phone. According to the 9/11 Commission, Betty's call began at 8:18am.

Betty Ong was working coach and her position placed in the rear jump seat (3R). How could Betty be reporting that the cockpit was not responding and that the "door won't open" before Madeline actually witnesses the storming?

The claim that the passengers were unaware of a hijacking is also suspicious. Even with the coach and first class sections separated by curtains; bearing in mind how noise carries in a confined space such as an aircraft cabin, it is unlikely they would have been unaware of the commotion.

Also, Madeline Sweeney was positioned as working coach with Ong, and so something must have caught her attention to have her investigate the first class cabin. Would none of the passengers in coach have seen what was going on through the sides and beneath the curtain? Would they not have felt that something was amiss by Madeline's body language as she returned from first class?

If as Betty claimed, someone had been spraying mace in first class, it would take more than a mere curtain to keep this within the first class partition. This would have at least made the coach passengers a little wary. Considering repertory problems such as asthma are quite common, it seems strange that no one else would have been affected by the mace. Would the coach passengers not have seen any passengers coming back from business class?

It also seems strange that despite the plane suddenly lurching to the side before making a rapid decent this did not cause the coach passengers to think something was amiss. It's also surprising that none of the coach passengers heard Ong or Sweeney on the phone. Word's like "bomb" and "hijacking" are a surefire way to guarantee mass hysteria aboard a commercial aircraft. Listening to the recording of Betty's call, she's hardly exercising discretion while talking.

Again, the claim that the coach section passengers are still quiet, apparently unaware a hijacking is in progress just prior to the impact is very suspicious. Would none of the passengers have at least taken a look out of the window to see where they were? Wouldn't they think it strange that they were flying at full throttle right into Manhattan?

By carefully analyzing the information Madeline relayed to Michael Woodward, it implies that most, if not all of the hijackers, including the "bomb" and the pilots are in the cockpit. I'm sure a lot of pilots here will agree with me that it is a tight squeeze to fit maybe 3 people inside the cockpit, but 5-7 including a bomb seems to be pushing it a little.

This post has been edited by Beached: Dec 2 2006, 03:37 PM

[rob balsamo]

Lets also add here...

Ever seen a Cell phone work above 25,000 feet Gretchen? Cell phone.. not airphone...

I don't know if you've seen my post on the "Cell Phones Again" thread in the Research section, Rob. It turns out all the phone calls made from above 8,000 feet on 9/11 were made on airphones, not cell phones. That includes Tom Burnett's calls that I had previously thought were made on a cell phone. (It had been misreported in the media.)

I looked through it briefly just now. Renee May was from a Cell phone supposedly above 20,000 feet.

Tom Burnett's first call just shows his reported seat location. His other two calls specifically say that CAME FROM the other two seats. The first call was from a cell phone.. which was a call above FL350. Impossible in my opinion.

The Barbara Olsen call says 0 seconds.. but Ted Olsen said he spoke to her.

Many of the 'unknown calls' on AA77 were above 25,000 feet including Barbara Olsen's call which Ted first said was from a cell phone. .then changed his story when called on it several times.. You would think if they came from an airphone.. for that amount of time.. many several minutes in duration...it wouldnt be an 'unknown call'.

I'll look over the rest of them when i get a chance, i just looked over them briefly just now.. i think you may need to do more research Andy... but there is something very unusual about the calls... and i certainly dont trust anything out of the trial as evidence.


However, since there is such controversy on the calls.. i stick to the more obvious blantent cover-up's such as the FDR. Im wondering why you are trying so hard to prove the govt story for them Andy...