Madeline Sweeney's Phone Call, Something strange
Nov 13 2006, 07:59 AM
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I was researching the call allegedly made by Madeline Sweeney to American Airlines flight services and noticed something very strange. She witnesses the hijackers storming the cockpit at least seven minutes after radio contact with AA11 is lost. According to the following report by the Los Angeles Times, Sweeney was relaying the details of the men as they stormed the cockpit.
However, the first call she attempts to make is at 8:21am, which is three minutes after Betty Ong places her call claiming that the cockpit is not responding or answering their phone. According to the 9/11 Commission, Betty's call began at 8:18am.
Betty Ong was working coach and her position placed in the rear jump seat (3R). How could Betty be reporting that the cockpit was not responding and that the "door won't open" before Madeline actually witnesses the storming?
The claim that the passengers were unaware of a hijacking is also suspicious. Even with the coach and first class sections separated by curtains; bearing in mind how noise carries in a confined space such as an aircraft cabin, it is unlikely they would have been unaware of the commotion.
Also, Madeline Sweeney was positioned as working coach with Ong, and so something must have caught her attention to have her investigate the first class cabin. Would none of the passengers in coach have seen what was going on through the sides and beneath the curtain? Would they not have felt that something was amiss by Madeline's body language as she returned from first class?
If as Betty claimed, someone had been spraying mace in first class, it would take more than a mere curtain to keep this within the first class partition. This would have at least made the coach passengers a little wary. Considering repertory problems such as asthma are quite common, it seems strange that no one else would have been affected by the mace. Would the coach passengers not have seen any passengers coming back from business class?
It also seems strange that despite the plane suddenly lurching to the side before making a rapid decent this did not cause the coach passengers to think something was amiss. It's also surprising that none of the coach passengers heard Ong or Sweeney on the phone. Word's like "bomb" and "hijacking" are a surefire way to guarantee mass hysteria aboard a commercial aircraft. Listening to the recording of Betty's call, she's hardly exercising discretion while talking.
Again, the claim that the coach section passengers are still quiet, apparently unaware a hijacking is in progress just prior to the impact is very suspicious. Would none of the passengers have at least taken a look out of the window to see where they were? Wouldn't they think it strange that they were flying at full throttle right into Manhattan?
By carefully analyzing the information Madeline relayed to Michael Woodward, it implies that most, if not all of the hijackers, including the "bomb" and the pilots are in the cockpit. I'm sure a lot of pilots here will agree with me that it is a tight squeeze to fit maybe 3 people inside the cockpit, but 5-7 including a bomb seems to be pushing it a little.
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Jan 16 2007, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (johndoeX @ Jan 17 2007, 01:16 AM)
I looked through it briefly just now. Renee May was from a Cell phone supposedly above 20,000 feet.
Tom Burnett's first call just shows his reported seat location. His other two calls specifically say that CAME FROM the other two seats. The first call was from a cell phone.. which was a call above FL350. Impossible in my opinion.
The Barbara Olsen call says 0 seconds.. but Ted Olsen said he spoke to her.
Many of the 'unknown calls' on AA77 were above 25,000 feet including Barbara Olsen's call which Ted first said was from a cell phone. .then changed his story when called on it several times.. You would think if they came from an airphone.. for that amount of time.. many several minutes in duration...it wouldnt be an 'unknown call'.
I'll look over the rest of them when i get a chance, i just looked over them briefly just now.. i think you may need to do more research Andy... but there is something very unusual about the calls... and i certainly dont trust anything out of the trial as evidence.
However, since there is such controversy on the calls.. i stick to the more obvious blantent cover-up's such as the FDR. Im wondering why you are trying so hard to prove the govt story for them Andy...
I am not trying to prove the government story, Rob. I've explained this before in detail. The phone calls being real DOES NOT support the government story. The phone calls indicate:
1. Guns on board, via Tom Burnett's and Betty Ong's calls; indicates a more sophisticated conspiracy than al-Qaeda.
2. Edward Felt's phone call telling of an explosion and white smoke; possible shoot-down, or bomb placed on board?
3. Amy Sweeney reporting a cockpit storming seven minutes after the transponder turned off; indicates a "fake" Arab hijacking as per a false flag.
4. Betty Ong reporting a hijacker coming from seat 9B, occupied by a professionally trained, Israeli commando.
All of these, Rob, are obviously NOT part of the government's story. I've gone through this before....
I show Renee May's cell call from AAL77 coming at 9:12. The transponder was turned off at 8:56. How do you know it was at 20,000 feet?
I don't know what you mean about Burnett's calls. The first call did not come from a cell phone. All his calls came from airphones. The seat location are not where he was sitting-- how would anyone know that? They are the locations of the seat holding the airphone. "Calls placed from 24ABC" That's obvious to me, Rob. Here is the link:
The earliest of the "unknown" calls from AAL77 came at 9:15. As I noted, the transponder was turned off at 8:56. Again, how do you know the altitude? Is that someone's assumption?
I'll admit, Ted Olson's account is suspicious. Maybe one of the unknown calls was to him? Who knows. But this puzzle in itself should not throw doubt on the whole phone call body of evidence.
Like a lot of people, Rob, you're still fighting these calls tooth and nail. I don't know why-- they DO NOT support the official story.
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