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[Sanders]

US Navy Physicist warns of possibly
'several decades of crushing cold temperatures
and global famine'
By Retired U.S. Navy Physicist and Engineer James A. Marusek

http://www.iceagenow.com/US_Navy_Physicist...obal_famine.htm

2 Apr 09 – Excerpts: “The sun has gone very quiet as it transitions to Solar Cycle 24.

“Since the current transition now exceeds 568 spotless days, it is becoming clear that sun has undergone a state change. It is now evident that the Grand Maxima state that has persisted during most of the 20th century has come to an abrupt end.

“(The sun) might (1) revert to the old solar cycles or (2) the sun might go even quieter into a “Dalton Minimum” or a Grand Minima such as the “Maunder Minimum”. It is still a little early to predict which way it will swing. Each of these two possibilities holds a great threat to our nation.

“We are now at a crossroad. Two paths lie before us. Both are marked with a signpost that reads “Danger”! Down one path lies monstrous solar storms. Down the other path lies several decades of crushing cold temperatures and global famine.”

“Climate change is primarily driven by nature. It has been true in the days of my father and his father and all those that came before us. Because of science, not junk science, we have slowly uncovered some of the fundamental mysteries of nature. Our Milky Way galaxy is awash with cosmic rays. These are high speed charged particles that originate from exploding stars.

“Because they are charged, their travel is strongly influenced by magnetic fields. Our sun produces a magnetic field wrapped in the solar winds that extends to the edges of our solar system. This field deflects many of the cosmic rays away from Earth. But when the sun goes quiet (minimal sunspots), this field collapses inward allowing high energy cosmic rays to penetrate deeper into our solar system.

As I say in Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps, these same
cosmic rays can lead to mutations and evolutionary leaps.

“As a result, far greater numbers collide with Earth and penetrate down into the lower atmosphere where they ionize small particles of moisture (humidity) forming them into water droplets that become clouds. Low level clouds reflect sunlight back into space. An increase in Earth's cloud cover produce a global drop in temperature.

“If the sun becomes quieter than the old solar cycles, producing more than 1028 spotless days, then we might slip into a Dalton Minimum or maybe even a Grand Minima such as the Maunder Minimum. This solar state will last for decades. Several solar scientist have predicted this will begin in Solar Cycle 25, about a decade from now. But a few have predicted this will occur now in Solar Cycle 24.

“A quiet sun will cause temperatures globally to take a nose-dive. We will experience temperatures that we have not seen in over 200 years, during the time of the early pioneers.

“Temperatures are already falling. Satellites provide generally the most accurate atmospheric temperature measurements covering the entire globe. From the peak year 1998, the lower Troposphere temperatures globally have fallen around 1/2 degree Celsius due to the quiet sun.

“This is despite the fact that during that same time period, atmospheric carbon dioxide (at Mauna Loa) has risen 5% from 367 ppm to 386 ppm. The main threat from a “Dalton Minimum” or “Maunder Minimum” event is famine and starvation (affecting millions or hundreds of millions worldwide) due to shortened growing seasons and harsher weather. In the past, in addition to great famines, this cold harsh weather has also lead to major epidemics.

[Omega892R09]

US Navy Physicist warns of possibly
'several decades of crushing cold temperatures
and global famine'
By Retired U.S. Navy Physicist and Engineer James A. Marusek

http://www.iceagenow.com/US_Navy_Physicist...obal_famine.htm

If only it were all true, we could do with a break like that, it may save a few more ice shelves from breaking off.

I noted this footnote on the source:

See entire great article:
http://personals.galaxyinternet.net/tunga/Signpost.pdf
Thanks to Marc Morano for this link

ROTFL
Now where have I heard of Marc Morano?

Seriously Sanders, you should take anything promoted by that goon with a big pinch of salt. Follow his money if you don't believe me.

I'll help you out on that:

A look at the non-experts speaking at Heartland Institute’s denialist sideshow

Heartland's Denialist Conference: the Australian connection.

500 Scientists with Documented Doubts - about the Heartland Institute?

[Sanders]

ROTFL ... Seriously Sanders, you should take anything promoted by that goon with a big pinch of salt. Follow his money if you don't believe me.

Don't know who Marc Morano is, but I don't see what difference it makes, it's not his paper.

Sun quiets down, sun's magnetic field weakens, more gamma rays reach the earth, more low-level clouds form, more sunlight is reflected away from the earth, the earth cools. Makes sense to me ... or, Omega, are you of the mind that the Sun and the earth's weather are not intimately connected?

BTW, it's late May in Tokyo, one of the warmest places I've ever lived in (I'll take Arizona's heat any day over Tokyo's hot muggy summers) ... and it's frikken cold. Grabbing a coat as I head out the door .... cheers.

[Omega892R09]

Don't know who Marc Morano is, but I don't see what difference it makes, it's not his paper.

After all the pointers I have provided. Perhaps you should find out.

Consider for example that your man Marusek is one of those listed on that Cato Institute (and seems to have other strange ideas - do a Google), see here:

With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true

and please look up the Heartland Institute.

Makes sense to me ... or, Omega, are you of the mind that the Sun and the earth's weather are not intimately connected?

I have frequently agreed that the sun has an effect on our climate, it would seem that you ignore much of what I write, but right now the evidence from the last few decades is that the signature of human activity is many times greater - and I have pointed to sources for that information. Once again you seem to ignore all that.

BTW, it's late May in Tokyo, one of the warmest places I've ever lived in (I'll take Arizona's heat any day over Tokyo's hot muggy summers) ... and it's frikken cold. Grabbing a coat as I head out the door .... cheers.

That is the nature of weather, it can vary from time to time and year to year.

Back in 1976 we had a drought here and a heat-wave that lasted from late March until August 27. My son, the youngest, was born at the end of that March and I was up to my neck in looking after the other three children, one still in nappies (diapers to you), designing, making and fitting modifications to aircraft (a Canberra or three at that time), working on re-decorating a lounge and kitchen having fitted an extension on the back which was also being given its first paint job, and visiting the wife in hospital. That and the fact that 27th August is my wifes birthday is how I remember the dates.

But that was weather and did not signal hot summers for the rest of the 1970s and early 1980s. I have already mentioned the snowfall we had here in June of 1981 but I don't expect that to repeat RSN. In 1988 I was with the family in the South of France and we experienced then record temperatures for the area and many years since have been similar. Many died in Europe due to high temperatures in the summer of 2003.

A slight downward correction would be a relief but I doubt that we will see that as a trend.

Sure as glaciers melt more rock will be exposed which will sequester more CO2 during weathering but that process has to go some to make up for the extra that humans will be pumping into the atmosphere. That in spite of a slight correction as the financial depression bites harder.

On Canberras see:

English_Electric_Canberra just for the record and I have not checked the entry for 'errors'.

[Sanders]

Don't know who Marc Morano is, but I don't see what difference it makes, it's not his paper.

After all the pointers I have provided. Perhaps you should find out.

Why? Like I said, it's not his paper. Just because he is credited with introducing someone to a link only means he to some degree agrees with it, not that he had anything to do with it, which he didn't . I don't have to know who every person is on the web, and I'm not interested in who Marc Morano is. Perhaps you can allow me to post something on this topic once in a while with out jumping on me everytime. How many posts are there in this forum where I read your posts and moved on, choosing to let it go, choosing to let you have your space? I respond to your posts on this subject less than 10% of the time. How many times have I posted on this topic without it being followed by a response by Omega, trashing it? Almost none. Give me a break once in a while, would-ya?

I have frequently agreed that the sun has an effect on our climate, it would seem that you ignore much of what I write, but right now the evidence from the last few decades is that the signature of human activity is many times greater - and I have pointed to sources for that information. Once again you seem to ignore all that.

First, I don't read everything you write. But I don't ignore what you write, I just don't believe it, nor do I put any faith in any government agencies (of any country), nor in any of the papers they produce. If the entire mainstream media and scientific bodies like NIST and governments around the world can all agree that 9/11 was a terrorist attack based on no reliable evidence, then the same can be accomplished regarding climate-change.

That is the nature of weather, it can vary from time to time and year to year.

Yes, you are right. I give you that one. It's still pretty frikken cold for May in Tokyo! (IMG:http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4583/273coldpersonshivering.gif)

[Omega892R09]

I don't have to know who every person is on the web, and I'm not interested in who Marc Morano is. Perhaps you can allow me to post something on this topic once in a while with out jumping on me everytime.

Marc Moreno is not simply a web personality.
By your argument if Dick Cheney says it was 'Arab Terrorists' we should believe him and not look at who, and what, Dick Cheney is.

How many posts are there in this forum where I read your posts and moved on, choosing to let it go, choosing to let you have your space? I respond to your posts on this subject less than 10% of the time. How many times have I posted on this topic without it being followed by a response by Omega, trashing it? Almost none. Give me a break once in a while, would-ya?

Hum! If somebody comes on to this forum with disinformation regarding 9/11 we should ignore it and pass by. Is that how it should work?

Heck Sanders, I would rather not go head to head with you on anything but as you yourself have declared that you are no scientist I feel that I must set the record straight where you are in error or mislead, that's all.

I ain't picking on you. If anybody should be feeling the heat around here I know who that is and it isn't you is it?

I just wish some would drink from untainted pools of information sometimes and the climate change debate is very different to 9/11 and all that - the true message is not so tightly controlled. One just needs to be aware of what to study and I try to help out there.

Edit; Punctuation.

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: May 23 2009, 02:34 PM