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Delta 89, Code 7112: The Faker Hijack Exercise, new blog entry

woody
post Jul 22 2009, 03:54 PM
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Delta 89 was tracked by NEADS for three minutes. Its existence has been ignored by the 9/11 Commission as well as authors Michael Bronner and Lynn Spencer.

But the NORAD tapes are proof: Delta 89 was NOT Delta 1989. And almost certainly Delta 89 was a live-fly exercise, covered up by Delta 1989.

Call sign.................Delta 1989.........................Delta 89

Flight plan...............Boston-Los Angeles..............Boston-Las Vegas

Squawk code...............1304.................................7112

Direction at 9:43.........westbound........................southwest/southbound

Transponder...............continously working.............turned off at 9:44


More here:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/06/de...ker-hijack.html
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post Jul 27 2009, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (woody @ Jul 22 2009, 08:54 PM) *
Delta 89 was tracked by NEADS for three minutes. Its existence has been ignored by the 9/11 Commission as well as authors Michael Bronner and Lynn Spencer.

But the NORAD tapes are proof: Delta 89 was NOT Delta 1989. And almost certainly Delta 89 was a live-fly exercise, covered up by Delta 1989.

Call sign.................Delta 1989.........................Delta 89

Flight plan...............Boston-Los Angeles..............Boston-Las Vegas

Squawk code...............1304.................................7112

Direction at 9:43.........westbound........................southwest/southbound

Transponder...............continously working.............turned off at 9:44


More here:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/06/de...ker-hijack.html



Great piece of work, Woody!

The deafening silence over at DU is speaking volumes... The 7' squawk is something they`d prefer not to
discuss about.


Speak to you soon,
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post Jul 27 2009, 03:06 PM
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post Jul 29 2009, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Kesha @ Jul 27 2009, 09:05 PM) *
Great piece of work, Woody!

The deafening silence over at DU is speaking volumes... The 7' squawk is something they`d prefer not to
discuss about.


Speak to you soon,
Kesha


Thanks Kesha, that's really encouragíng. At the ATS forum, John Farmer (911files) calls me "delusional" sob.gif

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reply posted on 27-7-2009 @ 08:39 PM by 911files

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Originally posted by Kevin_X2
yeahh.... all controller chatter can be found in my follow up post. I read it, and there are one hell of a lot of coincidences.

But, i can already tell you don't listen or absorb information and are simply here to make me believe whatever it is you believe. What is that again?

Im not interested in 1989's story. Im interested in 1989 in conjuncture with 89 and the coincidences involved, as well as the parallels between this and flight 175 taking off twice, 20 minutes apart.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Kevin_X2]

Well, could it be that I have researched this beyond one NEADS audio tape and some delusional guy's blog? I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you, but take the time to listen to all of the ATC audio from ZOB, ZNY, and ZBW. The last batch was a pretty big ftp, but should be done in a few days.

But I know, reality is not as fun as fantasy.
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post Aug 1 2009, 06:38 AM
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Guys i dont know if this helps or hurts but,
a Delta 767 was seen by my mechanic friends in CLE, parked
on Taxiway Victor that morning, around 11am surrounded by
police, right next to them. They cant attest to the rest of the
story that it was moved to the hanger next to the IX center
and the passengers unloaded, but thats what they heard happened
after they were told to go home.

Hope this helps, i havent done much research on 1989, sorry.

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post Aug 1 2009, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (aerohead @ Aug 1 2009, 12:38 PM) *
Guys i dont know if this helps or hurts but,
a Delta 767 was seen by my mechanic friends in CLE, parked
on Taxiway Victor that morning, around 11am surrounded by
police, right next to them. They cant attest to the rest of the
story that it was moved to the hanger next to the IX center
and the passengers unloaded, but thats what they heard happened
after they were told to go home.

Hope this helps, i havent done much research on 1989, sorry.

-Aero


Thanks a lot, Aero. Every tiny recollection of what happened that morning at Hopkins matters and helps.

Concerning your info, the time is crucial here. Maybe you can ask your friends for how long they observed the plane (from 11:00 to 11:30, for example).

And maybe you can show them what Scott Boulton, firefighter of Brookmark, observed, and if it matches what they saw (it looks like the locations are different):

My chief put out an order to return to quarters. He received reports there was a plane sequestered on the runway of Cleveland Hopkins Airport, because of a possible hijacking or a bomb on board. Responding back to our firehouse my heart started pounding faster as we became closer to our station, which is only a few hundred yards from the south side of the airport. The second tower now had collapsed. There it was a huge plane standing eerily still. Police, EMS and fire are positioned in the distance.

http://www.firefightingart.com/boulton/fs1...entsbody640.htm

(The Brookmark fire station is near the southeastern corner of Hopkins).
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post Aug 2 2009, 12:54 AM
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Woody i will certainly do that monday morning.

He told me he was certain that it was a Delta 767 and that he was
pretty certain it was parked on Victor. Victor runs parallel to
6L/24R so it is possible that he saw it on this runway, slightly
farther away than Victor. But i will ask him again and see what
i can find out. he also said that this was around 10:30 and that
they were told to go home around 11. I will see if i can get some
definite answers this week for you.

Just some FYI stuff for those that dont know.
This is a pic of Hopkins and Victor is the small taxi way between
6L/24R and the cargo ramp with the two planes located in the upper,
slightly left of center part of this picture. NASA is the complex to the
left of that cargo ramp, and Victor connects to the taxiway to NASA's hanger.

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post Aug 2 2009, 02:32 AM
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also for referrence, some landing at CLE clips:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zx8epqBQh4
(plane passes by an area labled NASA as it lands in the above clip)






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMzYdd011sk
(long clip done with artistic flare, but with some good views)






news story about the opening of a runway (6 LEFT) at CLE:
http://it.truveo.com/Runway-extension-now-...l/id/1802288241




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ps - i sent you (woody) a pm at LCF - dont know if you've checked in over there in awhile, and since they dont have an pm/email notifying system, i just wanted to let you know to check it out please. thank you!

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post Jun 12 2010, 10:02 AM
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Woody

I listened to the relevant NEADS tapes and there does seem to be a genuine mistake / sloppy work made by the NEADS ID people re flight 89. If you listen to the tape (Channel 4 IIRC) after the call to Indy, NEADS also call Cleveland with the same info re 89. During this call the NEADS lady is corrected by a colleague. You will need to listen to it yourself to make your own mind up, but I get the impression that this is just a sloppy bit of ID work on behalf of NEADS (calling Flight 1989 > Flight 89).

I think that the rest of your post has a lot of merit, however I'm of the opinion that Flight 89 is a red herring. Awaiting incoming....

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post Aug 18 2010, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (kelana @ Jun 12 2010, 03:02 PM) *
Woody

I listened to the relevant NEADS tapes and there does seem to be a genuine mistake / sloppy work made by the NEADS ID people re flight 89. If you listen to the tape (Channel 4 IIRC) after the call to Indy, NEADS also call Cleveland with the same info re 89. During this call the NEADS lady is corrected by a colleague. You will need to listen to it yourself to make your own mind up, but I get the impression that this is just a sloppy bit of ID work on behalf of NEADS (calling Flight 1989 > Flight 89).

I think that the rest of your post has a lot of merit, however I'm of the opinion that Flight 89 is a red herring. Awaiting incoming....

Keith


Hi Keith, thanks for your interest and excuse me for answering so late, I just detected it now.

I've listened to the NEADS tapes many times, so I know exactly which passage you're talking about. One of the ladies talks about Delta 89 and oops...changes it to 1989 in the middle of the sentence. But unlike you, I don't view this incident as a hint for sloppy work of the ID technicians. Rather I look at it as the official story "taking control" over the information flow. Beginning at 9:41, the NEADS crew - with the exception of Colin Scoggins/Channel 7 - is only talking about Delta 89. The change from 89 to 1989 happens some minutes later, I think at 9:47 or so. Delta 89 passed into oblivion.

My arguments that Delta 89 is NOT Delta 1989 still stand:

- Delta 89 had squawk code 7112 - unlike Delta 1989's 1304
- Delta 89 was heading from Cleveland to Indiana - unlike Delta 1989, which was strictly going west towards Toledo
- Delta 89 was suddenly "lost" by NEADS, obviously because its transponder was turned off - Delta 1989 never turned off the transponder


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post Aug 18 2010, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (paranoia @ Aug 2 2009, 07:32 AM) *
ps - i sent you (woody) a pm at LCF - dont know if you've checked in over there in awhile, and since they dont have an pm/email notifying system, i just wanted to let you know to check it out please. thank you!

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I was not on the LC forums for a long while, indeed; I checked my PM box over there, but there was no message from you -can't you send it to me here?

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woody dont sweat it man, its been over a year now and i honestly cant remember exactly what it was or may have been that i sent you. but if i had to guess, it was probably this:

clip is labled as being from florida's kennedy space center, BUT the initial clip is of a delta plane on a tarmac, and as the clip ends, you see that the broadcast was from SHAKER HEIGHTS CLEVELAND:

http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/Vie...;damId=91040765

caption reads: 00:26:56;28 [Airport closed & security tightened due to the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center & Pentagon by hijacked planes]---LS nose of Delta airplane on tarmac w heat seen rising from asphalt

-im not sure if you had seen it before or not, but i thought that you may find it noteworthy or possibly relevant to your research.

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eta - this is CBS NEWS HOME TEAM 19:
http://www.woio.com/Global/category.asp?C=7148


eta2 - compilation of other u93-related clips:

lee purbaugh? :
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/Vie...;damId=91040781


rare shanksville footage:
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/Vie...;damId=91040658


guy seems to be saying there was nothing in the ground (U93), but someone keeps rewinding and ff'ing the clip:
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/Vie...;damId=91041021

less rare:
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/Vie...;damId=91040730

smoldering crater, chopper lands:
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/Vie...;damId=91039447


night time at shanksville:
http://imagesource.cnn.com/imagesource/Vie...;damId=91041481
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post Apr 5 2013, 12:08 PM
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They track Delta 89 for closer to 5 minutes (from 9:40 – 9:45). Some of the highlights:

-9:31 Delta 1989 Checks in with Cleveland
-9:37 Delta 1989 told by Cleveland “that traffic (United 93? Delta 89?) is 15 miles south at eleven o’clock”
-9:40 NEADS (ID1) informed delta 89 as a hijack.
-9:40 Flight 93 transponder and radar disappear from Cleveland screen
-9:41 AST reports Delta 89 is a hijack - they call Delta 89 a Boston to Vegas on mode 3 of 1304?
-9:42 Delta 1989 reports order to land to Cleveland
-9:43 Delta 1989 passed off to Cleveland Center
-9:43 NEADS acknowledges Delta 89 not in the system
-9:45 they correct Delta 89 is Delta 1989- but still call it Boston to Vegas (Delta 89 was a NY – LA flight out of JFK departing at 3:00 and Delta 1989 was a Boston to LA flight departed at 8:25 – not sure where Vegas comes from)
-9:52 NEADS describes Delta 1989 (89?) as taking a hard right turn
-9:59 Cleveland informs NEADS delta 1989 is talking and landing in Cleveland – not a hijack
-10:03 United 93 crash - officially
-10:07 NEADS finally learns of flight 93

A few other things.

-They refer to Delta 89 as “Bravo 89” a few times. Not sure what that means.

-If you construct 1989’s flight path – like United 93 – it flies directly to Cleveland. Much sooner than any rerouting message we are privy to (non preferred route in overdrive). When Delta 1989 informs Cleveland of their landing order they are basically at Cleveland. And this was several minutes and several communications after they entered Cleveland’s air space. Were they just waiting till the last moment to inform Cleveland of their landing orders? Does that seem likely in a real scenario.

-In no other tapes (NEADS or ATC) do they ever refer to a plane’s number as an abbreviation. For example American 1060 is never referred to as “American 60”. Perhaps it was a reporting mistake but really that means its two reporting mistakes as the Las Vegas location is also an error. One more thing from our friends at the BBC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q8uKcVbr9w

Observe how they are making it seem like Delta 89 was just an abbreviation of Delta 1989 (right down to a graphic demonstration). This feels to me an attempt to cover a plane and merge it into a single flight while explaining away the NEADS reports.

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Great attention to detail Scooby! Thanks for taking the time.
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Thanks Amazed. I rushed and a few of the times were transposed (Like the crash time) - but cant edit it now. I wanted to say Woodybox’s research is awesome.

The BBC documentary IMO is very coy. The narrator never even states the number “nineteen”. It’s just Delta 89 which is a straight up lie. If we look close at the data Delta 89 does two notable things.
1. It rendezvous with flight 93 when the hijacking starts.
2. It rendezvous with Delta 1989 and mixes the signals up.

To me its seeming more and more likely that the drone that was shot down on 9/11 was the flight called “Delta 89”.
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QUOTE (woody @ Jul 22 2009, 08:54 PM) *
...almost certainly Delta 89 was a live-fly exercise, covered up by Delta 1989.

Call sign.................Delta 1989.........................Delta 89

Flight plan...............Boston-Los Angeles..............Boston-Las Vegas
...
More here:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/06/de...ker-hijack.html


QUOTE (woodybox)
...Delta 1989, which was kind of a "doppelganger" plane with nearly identical call sign (promptly leading to confusion), identical aircraft type (Boeing 767), identical origin airport (Boston),...


Is it common knowledge, that there was a scheduled Boston to Las Vegas (McCarran International), Boeing 767, Delta flight for that day; with a visually-similar number?:

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Detailed Statistics
Departures

Airport: Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH - Logan International (BOS)
Airline: Delta Air Lines (DL)
Month(s): September
Day(s): 11
Year(s): 2001
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DL 09/11/2001 1909 N119DL LAS 19:25 00:00 0350 0000 0 00:00 0000 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
DL 09/11/2001 1989 N189DN LAX 08:00 08:05 0385 0000 5 08:25 0020 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A


~ http://apps.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystati...p;submit=Submit


0s & 8s can seem very similar.

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